Lake Sundance Perch removal

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Badback

Well I'm glad that I went out to the AOF Sundance perch fishing day...I got to meet lots of members...Sorry about the picture quaility I was using the camera in my phone....Sundance called us over to a spot and said "only big ones here"...Commander B showed use Sundance wasn't kidding...

I never kid about large perch :-)

I am also going to admit it that Alex sure did school us on using the marmish rod. His fast pace...while not a record probably caught 4 times or 5 times more than me. Any time I looked over it seemed he was running a perch fishing school...

Great job removing perch everyone!

Sun

[portwein]

some statistics: 127 perches and total weight 16,5 kilos
thanks for everyone for great day on the ice
merry Сhristmas

and

[DuckBrat]

Effective & Sensitive spring tip for only $.10

Drill hole in end of zip tie for line to pass through. Zip tie attached to rod tip with electrical tape. Adjust length of zip tie for desired sensitivity.

Enjoy the oodles of perch and Merry Christmas.

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by DuckBrat

Effective & Sensitive spring tip for only $.10. Drill hole in end of zip tie for line to pass through. Zip tie attached to rod tip with electrical tape. Adjust length of zip tie for desired sensitivity.

I have been working on a few new designs for bite indicators for a while and for them had bought a bunch of small zip ties in various florescent colors. But I'm going to switch gears a bit and try to incorporate your idea of using the zip tip as the main spring. Thanks for this awesome tip!

I got the florescent ties here:
https://www.cabletiesunlimited.com/
They have them in various sizes.

[AK47]

Originally Posted by portwein

some statistics: 127 perches and total weight 16,5 kilos
thanks for everyone for great day on the ice
merry Сhristmas

and

that is an average of 129gr per perch... pretty decent size. How many hours it took you to haul that?

[AK47]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Alex sure did school us on using the marmish rod. His fast pace...while not a record probably caught 4 times or 5 times more than me.

So you saying I will have a REAL competition? Awesome!
Seriously, I am so glad more and more people realize that nothing, I mean no rod, no hand, no finger beats marmish when it comes to perch fishing. Now if only some retailers would start importing real Russian wolfram jigs it would be dream come true...
I am going today to do some practice and check couple new jigs... and as all stores are closed I will fish with no live bait.... results and pictures to follow.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by portwein

some statistics: 127 perches and total weight 16,5 kilos
thanks for everyone for great day on the ice
merry Сhristmas

and

Good to know. that is about 36 lbs worth. At $15 /lb for perch fillets...That is like $540 worth of perch. Awesome! I see Billingsgate doesn't have any in stock.

Usually perch fillets come for the Lake Erie commercial fishery.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Jimboy

Yes l realize that , but maybe its time to get the Alberta fisheries involved here on the basis of your problem , l,m sure the fish are healthy enough to stock other waters , give them all the details , maybe some fisherys minister will take a look at the situation and find a plus here in netting them and stocking other lakes instead of mass disposal.
lts nice to invite us out for a catch all , but a million in there you say , so why not look at other options that will improve perch fishing at other waters , but yea l know , could be a tough job convincing the EXPERT BIOs.

Never hurts to ask interesting questions. This has been asked before. In a nutshell...

For disease and genetic reasons you can't move them around. I have asked this a long, long time ago. Our only option is the removal methods we have underway.

Cheers

Sun

[FishingMOM]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Good to know. that is about 36 lbs worth. At $15 /lb for perch fillets...That is like $540 worth of perch. Awesome! I see Billingsgate doesn't have any in stock.

Usually perch fillets come for the Lake Erie commercial fishery.

Here is a funny one for you
11lbs of perch $185.00
10 lbs Rainbow Trout Fillets $98.00
(sources http://www.walleyedirect.com)

1 day of Fishing with sundance = 1 estatic kid, many meals of fish for us, my Ceo and his wife and my best friend and her daughter.
1 tired out mom.

[Calgaryguy1977]

Originally Posted by goldscud

Who wants slough sharks when you have the chance to catch these...

Jeebus!! You catch that in Sundance?

[AK47]

so I fished today for 1.5 hr - from 2:15 till 3.45... had no live bait so used mormysh with rubber blood worm imitation.... Fished other side of the lake then usually as had no auger today and needed to use old holes. I must say even in a lake full of perch like Sundance they still crave for live bait and it was very difficult to convince them to bite. Many small ones this time only 6 decent size females. Total of 28.

[goldscud]

I think a few of us have caught that one Calgaryguy....catch and release spreads the fun around. They seem to keep growing when they don't get killed.

Good job AK, love to see those females on the ice

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by AK47

Now if only some retailers would start importing real Russian wolfram jigs it would be dream come true...

Hi. You can order what appear to be genuine Mormyshka jigs here:

http://www.keeperlures.com/pages/mormyshka-jigs.php

Are these what you were referring to?

Regards

[portwein]

Originally Posted by Garry B

Hi. You can order what appear to be genuine Mormyshka jigs here:

http://www.keeperlures.com/pages/mormyshka-jigs.php

Are these what you were referring to?

Regards

this is traditional Russian style of marmooskas, used to use them a lot, work good, but they are made from led and brass, not from wolfram and I found they work better for trout then for perch
Garry B, thank you for link, i think i will order a few

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by portwein

this is traditional Russian style of marmooskas, used to use them a lot, work good, but they are made from led and brass, not from wolfram and I found they work better for trout then for perch
Garry B, thank you for link, i think i will order a few

Hi portwein. I don't know much about these lures except what I have been able to read from the internet. Wikipedia has an article on the genuine Mormyshka lures and it says they are often made from tungsten:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormyshka

Without having used either I notice that the shape and color of the jigs in the Wikipedia page and the Keeprlure jigs are very close to the same. I can guess the biggest difference would be weight (tungsten is heavier). Other than that they look pretty much the same to my untrained eye.

Could you briefly explain why they work better for trout than perch? Is it the weight? Thanks.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Garry B

Hi portwein. I don't know much about these lures except what I have been able to read from the internet. Wikipedia has an article on the genuine Mormyshka lures and it says they are often made from tungsten:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormyshka

Without having used either I notice that the shape and color of the jigs in the Wikipedia page and the Keeprlure jigs are very close to the same. I can guess the biggest difference would be weight (tungsten is heavier). Other than that they look pretty much the same to my untrained eye.

Could you briefly explain why they work better for trout than perch? Is it the weight? Thanks.

I just ordered a "few" tungsten mormyshka lures. Tried to get a marmich rod from Bass Pro...the fishing sales guys said they have never heard of it before...strange.

Sun

[AK47]

Originally Posted by Garry B

Hi. You can order what appear to be genuine Mormyshka jigs here:

http://www.keeperlures.com/pages/mormyshka-jigs.php

Are these what you were referring to?

Regards

yeah, they look good and they are great for fishing shallows, like 3-10 ft of water ( thats where I used to catch most of the perch back in Europe). Not so good deeper.... thats why tungsten or wolfram jigs ( which looks similar but are heavier and more expensive) are superior here where perch seem to like hanging out in deep waters.

[AK47]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I just ordered a "few" tungsten mormyshka lures. Tried to get a marmich rod from Bass Pro...the fishing sales guys said they have never heard of it before...strange.

Sun

Try this website. Great rods, jigs and they even have micro lines.

http://www.yourbobbersdown.com/palmrods.html

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by AK47

yeah, they look good and they are great for fishing shallows, like 3-10 ft of water ( thats where I used to catch most of the perch back in Europe). Not so good deeper.... thats why tungsten or wolfram jigs ( which looks similar but are heavier and more expensive) are superior here where perch seem to like hanging out in deep waters.

Thanks. So it's the weight and the speed. Maybe action too?

Here's the idea I have. This might not be perfect but could you 'fake' things a bit by tying a tiny tiny barrel swivel 12" up from your jig and then pass your main line through an in-line sinker (make on the right size if needed) and tie to the barrel swivel? I know this would tangle more readily and would kill the action some but it would get the hook down faster. The jig could still be relatively free to do it's own thing 12" below the weight. Just thinking. We did a very similar thing for casting a slip bobber and it works fairly well.

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I just ordered a "few" tungsten mormyshka lures. Tried to get a marmich rod from Bass Pro...the fishing sales guys said they have never heard of it before...strange.

Sun

For Mormyshka and Marmish rods I found this Canadian source:

http://www.fishonlineca.com/Ice-Fish...e-ask.tpl.html
http://www.fishonlineca.com/Ice-Fish...e-ask.tpl.html

I had been looking for the Mormyshka rods but they are not easy to find in North America. Man those Russians and Europeans have us beat in this finesse ice fishing department.

These guys also sell Mormyshka jigs:

http://www.fishonlineca.com/Ice-Fish...e-ask.tpl.html
http://www.fishonlineca.com/Ice-Fish...e-ask.tpl.html
http://www.fishonlineca.com/Ice-Fish...e-ask.tpl.html
http://www.fishonlineca.com/Ice-Fish...e-ask.tpl.html

I'm not sure if they are tungsten or some other material. Wish they specified.

[AK47]

Originally Posted by Garry B

For Mormyshka and Marmish rods I found this Canadian source:

http://www.fishonlineca.com/Ice-Fish...e-ask.tpl.html

I had been looking for the Mormyshka rods but they are not easy to find in North America. Man those Russians and Europeans have us beat in this finesse ice fishing department.

These guys also sell Mormyshka jigs:

I'm not sure if they are tungsten or some other material. Wish they specified.

10$ for sportfishing rod like that is a steal for sure. Those mormyshkas are lead, not tungsten/wolfram. Wolfram is a very hard metal to work with so most of wolfram jigs are every simple drop or ball shape.

[AK47]

Originally Posted by Garry B

Thanks. So it's the weight and the speed. Maybe action too?

Here's the idea I have. This might not be perfect but could you 'fake' things a bit by tying a tiny tiny barrel swivel 12" up from your jig and then pass your main line through an in-line sinker (make on the right size if needed) and tie to the barrel swivel? I know this would tangle more readily and would kill the action some but it would get the hook down faster. The jig could still be relatively free to do it's own thing 12" below the weight. Just thinking. We did a very similar thing for casting a slip bobber and it works fairly well.

It may work when fish are biting on slow action. As anything between the jig and strike indicator will interfere and kill jig action it may not work when they need aggressive approach.

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by AK47

10$ for sportfishing rod like that is a steal for sure. Those mormyshkas are lead, not tungsten/wolfram. Wolfram is a very hard metal to work with so most of wolfram jigs are every simple drop or ball shape.

As I search I am finding exactly what you say.

Here I found some simple shapes for jigs:
http://tulskay-mormyshka.ru/mor.html

And here is an explanation of the difficulty in producing them:
http://tulskay-mormyshka.ru/sta.html

Very interesting subject.

[AK47]

Originally Posted by Garry B

As I search I am finding exactly what you say.

Here I found some simple shapes for jigs:
http://tulskay-mormyshka.ru/mor.html

And here is an explanation of the difficulty in producing them:
http://tulskay-mormyshka.ru/sta.html

Very interesting subject.

now these are something I would get for sure if possible

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by AK47

10$ for sportfishing rod like that is a steal for sure. Those mormyshkas are lead, not tungsten/wolfram. Wolfram is a very hard metal to work with so most of wolfram jigs are every simple drop or ball shape.

So if genuine Mormyshka are usually simple ball or drop shapes then this image from the Wikipedia article likely is not showing tungsten lures since these are not simple shapes.



These must be some lead or something coated with copper or other material.

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by AK47

now these are something I would get for sure if possible

Hmmm? I'm think I am going to need to learn to speak and write Russian. I'll see ...

Even though they are not gorgeous with beautiful shapes and colors you think these would be good? They are so simple.

[FishingMOM]

http://www.marmish.ca/

Go ahead boys Drool.

Marmish has a Canadian location and eat your hearts out its in EDMONTON.

[AK47]

Originally Posted by Garry B

Hmmm? I'm think I am going to need to learn to speak and write Russian. I'll see ...

Even though they are not gorgeous with beautiful shapes and colors you think these would be good? They are so simple.

true... but when you think what they imitate? water bugs, worms, tiny minnows and other tiny water creatures which usually are simple colors. I could get away with three basic colors - copper, black and nickel... that is really all you need, all other shades and colorings are just to please fisherman's eye not the fish IMHO.

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by FishingMOM

http://www.marmish.ca/
Marmish has a Canadian location and eat your hearts out its in EDMONTON.

Yes it's very cool to have a company like that right from one's home town. The first time I was in WSS and saw the rods, indicators and jigs and the salesperson told me they were made right here I was pleasantly surprised.

[Garry B]

Originally Posted by AK47

true... but when you think what they imitate? water bugs, worms, tiny minnows and other tiny water creatures which usually are simple colors. I could get away with three basic colors - copper, black and nickel... that is really all you need, all other shades and colorings are just to please fisherman's eye not the fish IMHO.

Yep, I think the pretty ones do catch lots of fishers! Maybe we are the prey! Ha ha.