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Old 01-16-2017, 06:25 PM
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This really isnt rocket science. Remove the mag check the chamber, squeeze the trigger, close the bolt. Voila.
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Old 01-16-2017, 06:30 PM
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In my brain I would think that for storage one should store the bolt of your rifle in the fired position to relieve the pressure from the firing pin. How do you store your bolt cocked or uncocked? I would have to manually decock my rifles to store this way and am wondering if I should do this season to season. Day to day. Your thoughts are appreciated

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Old 01-16-2017, 06:57 PM
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This really isnt rocket science. Remove the mag check the chamber, squeeze the trigger, close the bolt. Voila.
It really is as simple as that.
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Old 01-16-2017, 07:16 PM
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this really isnt rocket science. Remove the mag check the chamber, squeeze the trigger, close the bolt. Voila.
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Old 01-16-2017, 07:53 PM
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i don't have any dirt in my house
You can't just check the chamber first?
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:38 PM
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people get too complacent with firearms safety.
here we have the proof
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:46 PM
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This is a more entertaining thread than I thought it would be.
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Blue Monday, everyone needs a snickers lol.

I store all my firearms uncocked and always leave bolts and mags in.
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Blue Monday, everyone needs a snickers lol.

I store all my firearms uncocked and always leave bolts and mags in.
Is there any other way.
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Old 01-16-2017, 09:30 PM
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I pull down on the trigger while at the same time closing the bolt allows it to be closed but not cocked, this is how store my rifles.

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Old 01-16-2017, 09:42 PM
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I pull down on the trigger while at the same time closing the bolt allows it to be closed but not cocked, this is how store my rifles.

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if you can't shoot where your rifle is pointed when you want to decock your rifle don't touch the trigger. if my spring fatigues because of this then i'll replace it.
Dont wait for a spring to fail. Prevention is the best idea. Uncock.
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Old 01-16-2017, 10:07 PM
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42 posts on a cooked or un-cooked gun lol, really... un-cooked for me haha
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Old 01-16-2017, 11:12 PM
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This really isnt rocket science. Remove the mag check the chamber, squeeze the trigger, close the bolt. Voila.
Seems simple enough to me.... didn't realize there was such concern with bolt cocked or not, mag in or mag out, firing pin fired or firing pin set.....
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Old 01-17-2017, 12:49 AM
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here we have the proof
What exactly do you think is going to happen if the trigger is pulled with the bolt open?

Decocked does nessecarily mean dry fired.
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Old 01-17-2017, 03:26 AM
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A spring does not get weak from being kept compressed but from cycling.
The amount of cycles that a gun spring goes through is relatively small compared to, say a car spring.
No harm in un-cocking but you wouldn't cause any harm by leaving it cocked either.
THIS^^
Same goes for mags.....stored empty or charged doesn't make a fiddler's fart worth of difference,it's the cycling of a spring that weakens it.
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Old 01-17-2017, 03:35 AM
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I know those Remington pump and semi mags sure can get messed up on if they are left loaded.
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I beg to differ.Ive owned 3X 7600s and a 7400 all in 30-06 over 30+ years.Still own my old faithful original 1986 pump and 5 or 6(?)spare mags acquired over the years,most stay charged for months on end if not years? Have never had a FTF nor any other issue.i can guarantee,if I were to check thru all my packs,pants.and coats right now,I'd probly find 2 or 3 7600/7400 mags stuffed with 4 rounds,that may or may not get fired in 2017?
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Old 01-17-2017, 07:25 AM
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I beg to differ.Ive owned 3X 7600s and a 7400 all in 30-06 over 30+ years.Still own my old faithful original 1986 pump and 5 or 6(?)spare mags acquired over the years,most stay charged for months on end if not years? Have never had a FTF nor any other issue.i can guarantee,if I were to check thru all my packs,pants.and coats right now,I'd probly find 2 or 3 7600/7400 mags stuffed with 4 rounds,that may or may not get fired in 2017?
Your experience is different from the ones I have seen that wouldn't feed that had ammo stored in them .
A new magazine fixed that issue.
Glad you didn't have any issues
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:45 AM
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What exactly do you think is going to happen if the trigger is pulled with the bolt open?

Decocked does nessecarily mean dry fired.
well on many guns even if you hold the trigger the firing pin protrudes from the bolt.

you would need to understand how rifles work
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Old 01-17-2017, 09:00 AM
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im with smokinyotes here

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well on many guns even if you hold the trigger the firing pin protrudes from the bolt.
isn't the pin supposed to protrude after the spring releases? if it didn't the primer wouldn't ignite

the firing pin has tension on it in both the 'relaxed' and compressed state, just less of it. in my brain I see the less amount being preferred for no other reason than that.
if I park my truck for the winter I don't throw an extra 4000lbs of weight in the box just because the springs need to be under compression for storage.
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Old 01-17-2017, 09:38 AM
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isn't the pin supposed to protrude after the spring releases? if it didn't the primer wouldn't ignite
yup. which is why i never pull the trigger unless i'm in a place where i can shoot.

i do uncook them though, when safety permits.
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:26 PM
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I beg to differ.Ive owned 3X 7600s and a 7400 all in 30-06 over 30+ years.Still own my old faithful original 1986 pump and 5 or 6(?)spare mags acquired over the years,most stay charged for months on end if not years? Have never had a FTF nor any other issue.i can guarantee,if I were to check thru all my packs,pants.and coats right now,I'd probly find 2 or 3 7600/7400 mags stuffed with 4 rounds,that may or may not get fired in 2017?
X2, I've stored many (as in I couldn't begin to count them all) bolts and mags compressed for years with out issue.
If a spring gets weak it likely was a bad spring to start with and would get weak just from normal use anyways.
I've had some truck spring sag after a few years and some that never sag.
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Old 01-17-2017, 08:41 PM
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I store all mine cocked. Didn't ever give it much thought until now. Gun gets checked at the range if it's empty before it goes in the case, it gets checked again before it goes in the safe, and gets checked again when I take it out.
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Old 01-18-2017, 02:12 AM
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well on many guns even if you hold the trigger the firing pin protrudes from the bolt.

you would need to understand how rifles work
I understand that just fine. I also understand that unless that pin is jammed up for some reason it's not going to put any pressure on the primer when the boot closes because it's just spring tension keeping it out. I would also say that based on the messing about I've done with my old Stevens shotgun trying to get it to slam fire I know you need to give that primer a pretty sharp hit to ignite it, even on a design like that where the pin will stay extended as long as the trigger is depressed.

So yes, if you are dumb enough to not realize you have a round in the chamber, there's a reason your firing pin is extended AND you slam the boot closed as hard as you can then yes maybe it might fire, sometimes. This is not a very likely scenario.
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Old 01-18-2017, 06:03 AM
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Always uncocked . I feel pretty confident that I can ensure my firearms are unloaded when not in use...... And I do subscribe to the spring tension school
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Wow ... just had to post
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:49 AM
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THIS^^
Same goes for mags.....stored empty or charged doesn't make a fiddler's fart worth of difference,it's the cycling of a spring that weakens it.
Don't go confusing things with actual facts
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:57 AM
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Seems simple enough to me.... didn't realize there was such concern with bolt cocked or not, mag in or mag out, firing pin fired or firing pin set.....
You must be new here, any excuse to argue is exploited to its fullest extent around here.

Try asking "Muzzle up or down in the truck?"
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Old 01-18-2017, 01:17 PM
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You must be new here, any excuse to argue is exploited to its fullest extent around here.

Try asking "Muzzle up or down in the truck?"
or;

still-hunting with a round chambered...
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Old 01-18-2017, 01:27 PM
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Reality check time. Has anyone, regardless of the way thy stored, ever had a firing pin spring break? If yes, how did you store? Let's see how much of a problem this really is.
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