Tire guy trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

Tracker34 · #1 11-12-2014, 07:55 PM

Pretty darn sure this tire guy is full of it. He called me up a few hours after I dropped off a couple of wheels. Tells me that my rims are in bad shape. The rims are cutting into the tire bead. 2010 Silverado factory rims and Cooper discoverer ST Maxx. He says I'm just asking for a blow out. Anyone ever hear of this problem or is this guy full of it up to his neck?

rugatika · #2 11-12-2014, 08:02 PM

Which tire place please? So we all know which one to avoid.

Ken07AOVette · #3 11-12-2014, 08:03 PM

if a previous tire shop cut the ring off the rim during a tire swap it is possible. I bought a truck from a guy, and he warned me that Tirecraft did that to him. I changed out the rims.

leeaspell · #4 11-12-2014, 08:04 PM

Sounds like a load of manure

dale7637 · #5 11-12-2014, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracker34

Pretty darn sure this tire guy is full of it. He called me up a few hours after I dropped off a couple of wheels. Tells me that my rims are in bad shape. The rims are cutting into the tire bead. 2010 Silverado factory rims and Cooper discoverer ST Maxx. He says I'm just asking for a blow out. Anyone ever hear of this problem or is this guy full of it up to his neck?

It's possible, as ken said.
Get your eyes on it, or post pictures.

birdee · #6 11-12-2014, 08:17 PM

mmm let me guess .Aluminum rims and you spend a bit of time off road.
We in the industry call it knife edging,aluminum is soft and the constant flexing of the side wall wear down the aluminum bead area.Very common problem with aluminum rims.This can cause a very dangerous situation of sudden loss of air pressure because the tire which seat against the bead pushes the rim apart because of loss of strength of the rim bead area.

birdee · #7 11-12-2014, 08:26 PM

One of the most common conditions found on aluminum wheels is rim-flange wear. This is abrasive wear and/or pitting that is found on the top of the rim flange. This wear can become quite severe and sharp.

This type of wear is caused by abrasion from the tire chafer and sidewall on the flange that occurs especially when the tire is underinflated and/or overloaded. It also can be caused by using a rim that is too narrow for the tire and can be exaggerated by corrosive or abrasive environments and applications.

Pixel Shooter · #8 11-12-2014, 08:34 PM

Get him to show you where its cutting into the bead, simple show and tell if he is being straight up. and yes it is possible

twofifty · #9 11-12-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by birdee

One of the most common conditions found on aluminum wheels is rim-flange wear. This is abrasive wear and/or pitting that is found on the top of the rim flange. This wear can become quite severe and sharp.

This type of wear is caused by abrasion from the tire chafer and sidewall on the flange that occurs especially when the tire is underinflated and/or overloaded. It also can be caused by using a rim that is too narrow for the tire and can be exaggerated by corrosive or abrasive environments and applications.

Nice to have a tire expert on board.
AO is a real Noah's Arc!

Tracker34 · #10 11-12-2014, 08:40 PM

Tirecraft in Lac LA Biche. Just had tires put on 40,000 kms ago and nothing was said about the rims.

birdee · #11 11-12-2014, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracker34

Tirecraft in Lac LA Biche. Just had tires put on 40,000 kms ago and nothing was said about the rims.

thats alot of miles and lots of wear on your whole vehicle can show up in that time.

rugatika · #12 11-12-2014, 09:08 PM

Well I stand corrected. Thanks birdee.

Never had that issue before with any of my rims.

Selkirk · #13 11-12-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pixel Shooter

Get him to show you where its cutting into the bead, simple show and tell if he is being straight up. and yes it is possible

That ^

When in doubt, go take a look!

Mac

Dacotensis · #14 11-12-2014, 11:04 PM

What birdee says is true.
I've seen it most recently with an 08.

Aluminum tires are soft.
The "lip" will wear down.

Call Integra in Sherwood park.
They will tell you it's possible as well.

But, Ao is Noah's ark....
I shared this agreement with an AOer today.

If anything, you can turn the rims to scrap aluminum.
Or some fancy cable roll.

Kim473 · #15 11-13-2014, 04:45 AM

Saw a friends 69 Nova SS, 396. Spun the tires on the rims when he hooked 2nd gear. Had spun the bead right off. Had to replace the rims. Lucky that the tires still held air long enough to get him to the tire shop.If you were ever off roading of some kind and the tires spun on the aluminum rims, this may have been the cause. Another cause could have been the previous tire changer screwed them up. You know, show a newbee kid once and say ( your trained now ). Very easy to screw them up if your not carefull / watchfull, properly trained.

blgoodbrand1 · #16 11-13-2014, 05:26 AM

Happens often, know if it in several vehicles. Infact the bosses truck was that exact setup. Seems like chev rims get 150-200k and they're done. Seen it in dodge rims aswell. The lip on the rim can end up paper thin and razor sharp.

rugatika · #17 11-13-2014, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by blgoodbrand1

Happens often, know if it in several vehicles. Infact the bosses truck was that exact setup. Seems like chev rims get 150-200k and they're done. Seen it in dodge rims aswell. The lip on the rim can end up paper thin and razor sharp.

That's about as long as a Chev will last anyway.

I'm KIDDING!!!

Alberta Bigbore · #18 11-13-2014, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rugatika

That's about as long as a Chev will last anyway.

I'm KIDDING!!!

I just replaced my 2001 silverado... with 465,000 kms on the original motor and tranny..... she still wanted to go go go.... but her rear end was going and not worth the fix.

Had a similar issue on the spare rim though.

norwestalta · #19 11-13-2014, 06:30 AM

Think its a common problem with chevron aluminum rims. Is there a cure for this or does one have to buy new rims every other tire change over?

Skytop B · #20 11-13-2014, 06:49 AM

Yes, I had this issue with my 06 GM, had to replace rims after 240000km

deanmc · #21 11-13-2014, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by norwestalta

Think its a common problem with chevron aluminum rims. Is there a cure for this or does one have to buy new rims every other tire change over?

Steel Wheels

JB_AOL · #22 11-13-2014, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by deanmc

Steel Wheels

LOL.. Hope you're kidding.

Steel wheels are just as bad. In fact, I've bent more steel rims than aluminum.

Arachnodisiac · #23 11-13-2014, 07:34 AM

What can buy buy so that this problem won't happen? Are there decent alternatives?

Kim473 · #24 11-13-2014, 08:20 AM

Steel rims or don't drive.

Dacotensis · #25 11-13-2014, 09:54 AM

Steel rims can also handle more weight.
If hauling stuff in your vehicle is common, one should probably not be so vain and forget about the pretty aluminum rims.

All Rims have a weight rating.
Alum will always be less than a good steel rim.

petew · #26 11-13-2014, 11:38 AM

I better check my factory stock aluminum rims on my truck. It just rolled 656,000KM .

seems like these things don't last long.

scesfiremedic · #27 11-13-2014, 12:14 PM

Here's a good article on the issue:

http://www.tirebusiness.com/article/...wear-then-what

Peter Abelard · #28 11-13-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracker34

Pretty darn sure this tire guy is full of it. He called me up a few hours after I dropped off a couple of wheels. Tells me that my rims are in bad shape. The rims are cutting into the tire bead. 2010 Silverado factory rims and Cooper discoverer ST Maxx. He says I'm just asking for a blow out. Anyone ever hear of this problem or is this guy full of it up to his neck?

What's his stake in the matter? It seems overly suspcious to think that some technicial is going to diagnose problems that don't actually exist.

More likely, he came across it, and thought you should know - And would probably be negligent if he *didn't* tell you.

Besides, it seems odd that he'd lie about something that is visually verifiable.

(Trust but verify, right?)

My money's on the technician.

Moreso, I suggest your Suspicometer is in need of calibration.

6.5 shooter · #29 11-13-2014, 03:39 PM

Had tires installed by Kal tire in Redcliff. Before the trucks wheels were off the ground they were in telling me that I needed $1200 bucks worth of front end work....took it to my mechanic everything was fine. But they did sucker in one of my co workers with the same story....never hurts to get a second opinion.

cranky · #30 11-13-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Abelard

What's his stake in the matter? It seems overly suspcious to think that some technicial is going to diagnose problems that don't actually exist.

More likely, he came across it, and thought you should know - And would probably be negligent if he *didn't* tell you.

Besides, it seems odd that he'd lie about something that is visually verifiable.

(Trust but verify, right?)

My money's on the technician.

Moreso, I suggest your Suspicometer is in need of calibration.

Whats in it for the shop if he's putting him on you ask. How about shop gets to sell the guy new rims.
Go look first before taking shops word for it.

But it is fairly common these days with all the aluminum wheels around. Back in the day when there were no factory 'Mag " wheels we were careful where we took our wheels if we ran "mags" cause the tire changer guys can screw them in a instant.