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Old 11-06-2018, 09:07 AM
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Sure they broke the law but some groups are allowed to hunt within national parks. I think perhaps the law should be changed to allow hiking through parks to get where we want to go.
Good luck with that, it will never happen.
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Old 11-06-2018, 09:07 AM
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By taking a shortcut to get into an area that hunters are hiking in 30km to get to. In my eyes these animals were not legally taken. Yes they were shot in a legal area but cheating to get there isn’t fair for the hunters.
x2. Glad they were convicted.
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Old 11-06-2018, 09:09 AM
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I had this same idea for a non trophy sheep hunt, called the Banff parks office and was told that "as long as rifle is in a case it is good to transport from in park to outside of park to hunt". That would suck big time if you got wrong info on the rules.
It’s pretty clear in the regulations about firearms and national parks.

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/hun...s/genregs.html

Interpret them how you like but I think it’s pretty clear.
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Old 11-06-2018, 09:45 AM
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Where did you get that from, Poachers weekly magazine?

Pick up a copy of the regulations and read them.

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/hun...s/genregs.html
Never realized those zones were different then the rest of Alberta.
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Old 11-06-2018, 09:57 AM
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It’s pretty clear in the regulations about firearms and national parks.

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/hun...s/genregs.html

Interpret them how you like but I think it’s pretty clear.
In the old days, there was a booth just inside the gate. Seal your firearm with a lead seal and away you went.

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Old 11-06-2018, 10:16 AM
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Unhappy Blatant violation...IMHO

1) a hunter cannot pack a rifle on your back through the National Park.

2) a hunter cannot pack a Ram out through the National Park.

3) clearly they were aware, as they concocted a ruse on social media claiming the 30 km hike out.

4) I’m thinking their outdoor apparel clothing sponsor is less than delighted.

5) according to the testimony, and the evidence reported, we are supposed to believe each hunter, in ONE TRIP, packed out their gear, a rifle, and....a Rams head with cape, and all of the meat in ONE trip.
30k.....6k...... struggling with that one.
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Old 11-06-2018, 10:31 AM
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5) according to the testimony, and the evidence reported, we are supposed to believe each hunter, in ONE TRIP, packed out their gear, a rifle, and....a Rams head with cape, and all of the meat in ONE trip.
30k.....6k...... struggling with that one.
This part is not a struggle for me. I know multiple people who have done so.

Everything else I'd definitely agree with.

For example... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPI8FJKxm0Y
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Old 11-06-2018, 11:35 AM
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This part is not a struggle for me. I know multiple people who have done so.

Everything else I'd definitely agree with.

For example... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPI8FJKxm0Y
That is an amazing video! You have to be in a top shape to do that. I would be dead in a few hours,lol!
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Old 11-06-2018, 11:37 AM
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TREMENDOUS video!!
Full Credit to those hunters.

Thank you for sharing.

I’ve done it myself, twice.

Regarding my comment referring to this specific case, in that area,

It stands.

Cheers, I’m gone hunting
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Old 11-06-2018, 01:26 PM
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Even unloaded and encased, it's illegal to have a firearm in your vehicle anywhere along the Icefields Parkway (93N). The Icefields Parkway is not considered a 'through highway' as it begins/terminates in Banff & Jasper National Parks. From the regs:
" Firearms are prohibited in national parks except on through highways and in town sites, where they must be unloaded and encased. "

Technically, even if you are only using the parkway as a travel route to travel 'through' - say from Prince George to Calgary, you are not permitted to carry any firearm with you on this portion of highway.

At one time, you weren't even permitted to carry any parts of indigenous animals with you on the Icefields Parkway either - like the coyote trim on your parka! I don't know if this one is still 'on the books', as it doesn't seem to be included in the charges against these 2 hunters. Or maybe the Park Wardens involved weren't aware of it. As the Parkway is part of the Alaska Highway Route for many Americans, it's not unusual to see vehicles with moose or caribou antlers affixed.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:47 PM
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I phoned parks Canada and ask the question. "Can I carry a firearm through a national park". The response was yes you can as long as the firearm is fully encased with the bolt removed and the bolt is stored in a separate compartment away from the bullets.
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:05 PM
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I had this same idea for a non trophy sheep hunt, called the Banff parks office and was told that "as long as rifle is in a case it is good to transport from in park to outside of park to hunt". That would suck big time if you got wrong info on the rules.
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I phoned parks Canada and ask the question. "Can I carry a firearm through a national park". The response was yes you can as long as the firearm is fully encased with the bolt removed and the bolt is stored in a separate compartment away from the bullets.
Pretty weird because the hunting regs clearly state:



Someone is providing wrong info there it seems. The above is as clear as it could be, really.
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Old 11-06-2018, 03:46 PM
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From the Canada National Parks Act

20 (1) No person shall be in possession of a firearm in a park unless the firearm is not loaded and is transported in a case or is wrapped and tied securely in such a manner that no part of the firearm is exposed.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to

(a) a person in Mingan Archipelago National Park Reserve who is hunting pursuant to a hunting permit issued under subsection 13.1(1); or

(b) a bonded armoured car service guard who is carrying out assigned duties in the park.

(3) No person shall

(a) have a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle, vessel or aircraft; or

(b) discharge a firearm from a vehicle, vessel or aircraft.

(4) The superintendent may issue a permit authorizing a person to carry a firearm or trap where the firearm or trap is to be carried through the park for use outside the park.

(5) No person shall carry a firearm or trap outside a vehicle, vessel or aircraft unless

(a) that person

(i) has a permit from the superintendent authorizing the carrying of a firearm or trap, whichever is applicable, and

(ii) complies with these Regulations; or

(b) the firearm or trap is being carried directly

(i) from a vehicle, vessel or aircraft to that person’s premises, or

(ii) to a vehicle, vessel or aircraft from that person’s premises.
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Old 11-06-2018, 04:43 PM
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Pretty weird because the hunting regs clearly state:



Someone is providing wrong info there it seems. The above is as clear as it could be, really.
Or someone completely misunderstood what the warden was saying. I had a long talk with a warden in Waterton sometime ago, real nice young guy and he flat out told me "you will be in a lot of trouble with a gun on your pack in the park". Even said just skirting the edge and you happen to slip inside the boundary they would offer no leniency. I find it really difficult to believe that anyone in Parks Canada would not know the simple rules regarding guns in a national park.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:19 PM
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While reading the thread I thought of two things.

The guys should have applied for a permit to transfer their firearms through the park.

Or they should have used a bow.


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From the Canada National Parks Act

20 (1) No person shall be in possession of a firearm in a park unless the firearm is not loaded and is transported in a case or is wrapped and tied securely in such a manner that no part of the firearm is exposed.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to

(a) a person in Mingan Archipelago National Park Reserve who is hunting pursuant to a hunting permit issued under subsection 13.1(1); or

(b) a bonded armoured car service guard who is carrying out assigned duties in the park.

(3) No person shall

(a) have a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle, vessel or aircraft; or

(b) discharge a firearm from a vehicle, vessel or aircraft.

(4) The superintendent may issue a permit authorizing a person to carry a firearm or trap where the firearm or trap is to be carried through the park for use outside the park.

(5) No person shall carry a firearm or trap outside a vehicle, vessel or aircraft unless

(a) that person

(i) has a permit from the superintendent authorizing the carrying of a firearm or trap, whichever is applicable, and

(ii) complies with these Regulations; or

(b) the firearm or trap is being carried directly

(i) from a vehicle, vessel or aircraft to that person’s premises, or

(ii) to a vehicle, vessel or aircraft from that person’s premises.
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:39 PM
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I see what your saying! But I think they would have been hooped even with a bow in this instance as the act provides its own definition of firearm.

firearm means any weapon from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged and that is capable of causing injury or death to wildlife and includes anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm and anything that is designed for or capable of being used for the purpose of causing injury or death to wildlife; (arme à feu)
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Old 11-06-2018, 05:45 PM
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I see what your saying! But I think they would have been hooped even with a bow in this instance as the act provides its own definition of firearm.

firearm means any weapon from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged and that is capable of causing injury or death to wildlife and includes anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm and anything that is designed for or capable of being used for the purpose of causing injury or death to wildlife; (arme à feu)
By that definition, even a knife is a firearm.

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Old 11-06-2018, 06:44 PM
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Pretty weird because the hunting regs clearly state:



Someone is providing wrong info there it seems. The above is as clear as it could be, really.
Right from the head warden.
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Old 11-06-2018, 06:46 PM
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I see what your saying! But I think they would have been hooped even with a bow in this instance as the act provides its own definition of firearm.

firearm means any weapon from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged and that is capable of causing injury or death to wildlife and includes anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm and anything that is designed for or capable of being used for the purpose of causing injury or death to wildlife; (arme à feu)
A bow is not considered as nor does it meet the definition of a firearm. A “weapon” yes but not a firearm.

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Old 11-06-2018, 07:05 PM
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A bow is not considered as nor does it meet the definition of a firearm. A “weapon” yes but not a firearm.

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Old 11-06-2018, 07:07 PM
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:15 PM
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A bow is not considered as nor does it meet the definition of a firearm. A “weapon” yes but not a firearm.

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I certainly could be wrong, but how does a bow not mean the definition of a firearm provided in the National Parks Act that I posted?

It fires a missile (the arrow) and is capable of causing death or injury to wildlife. Further the definition states 'anything' that is designed for or capable of being used for injury/death.

This is directly off the National Parks Website.... https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/pn-np/bc/gla...ts-regulations

"Firearms and hunting are not permitted in national parks. If you are transporting a firearm, it must be unloaded and securely encased. Firearms include, but are not limited to: slingshots, bows, BB guns, cross bows and paintball guns. Hunting is a serious offence within a national park."
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Talk about improper use of the word firearm......
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Talk about improper use of the word firearm......
100% agreed.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:40 PM
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Wow ! What a loop hole that would be if it would be legal.

If they shot the Rams outside the park...which they did .
They should be able to keep the heads and just pay the fines.

If they can't keep the heads they should lose their rifles and their trucks etc.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:48 PM
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Wow ! What a loop hole that would be if it would be legal.

If they shot the Rams outside the park...which they did .
They should be able to keep the heads and just pay the fines.


If they can't keep the heads they should lose their rifles and their trucks etc.
That would be stupid, just open the idea bank for other poachers.
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Old 11-06-2018, 08:01 PM
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That would be stupid, just open the idea bank for other poachers.
No kidding...those fines would be 1/3 or less of the cost of a guided hunt, be like paying a toll to travel through illegally.

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