HAMAS Attack on Israel

[AxeMan]

I read about one idea for the Hamas tunnels, not sure if it could be practical.

Secure a couple of spots on the coast with tanks, bring in a couple of pumper boats from the Mediterranean Sea and flood the tunnels with sea water. Not sure if the tunnels are all connected, or if a coastal entrance could be found.

Anyway, it would be like drowning out pocket gophers.

[Pioneer2]

Won't allow their human shields to leave. Wait a month, then go in unrelenting bombing until then.

[32-40win]

Okinawa and Iwo certainly come to mind, so does Staingrad, Ramadi, Fallujah, the battle against Isis in Mosul especially, lots of tunnels discovered there.
Seeing today;

References to types of propaganda out of Russia over the years;

https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1713126398590587106?s=20

Lot of "links" to Russian sponsoring/training of groups like Hamas thru Wagner PMC, monetary support channeled thru crypto currency.

And this one gave a needed chuckle;
Ukraine Front Lines
@EuromaidanPR
Alarming news from Kazakhstan. There, drones intended for the russian army have disappeared twice over the past two weeks. Two shipments (150 and 200 drones) disappeared en route from China to russia. They were transported in trucks under the guise of dual-use goods.

[W921]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Check out the American battle for Iwo Jima, similar scenario. Took a month and cost over 24000 lives. Napalm was part of the solution, inject and ignite.

Grizz

The farmer in me thinks of anhydrous ammonia.

[32-40win]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

I read about one idea for the Hamas tunnels, not sure if it could be practical.

Secure a couple of spots on the coast with tanks, bring in a couple of pumper boats from the Mediterranean Sea and flood the tunnels with sea water. Not sure if the tunnels are all connected, or if a coastal entrance could be found.

Anyway, it would be like drowning out pocket gophers.

Have a look at the one about the Kurdish tunnels, they had systems to handle that sort of thing, gases, flooding, air. How good they really are, may be up for question, but they basically had underground villages operating, popup artillery and machine guns with remote visual coverage, Katyusha type rocket systems. About the only thing we can hope for, is the soil wasn't able to support those systems there, but, there is plenty of proof they built smuggling tunnels, so, we shall see what appears shortly, probably. They were being hit with Turkish bombs, I would assume Turks have JDAMS or dumb bombs up to 2000lbrs, and these guys couldn't even feel them while in the tunnels. Not like Hamas wasn't aware of it or didn't have time to do it.

[32-40win]

Some examples of propaganda videos being released;

https://x.com/Shayan86/status/1713093085331128587?s=20

[sjemac]

Some recent drone videos are showing tunnel openings in Gaza simply exploding like a game of Whackamole. These are not explosive plumes of smoke, but long term, high intensity, evidence of something incendiary.

Tunnels only work if the enemy doesn’t know about them and doesn’t have a plan to deal with them. I imagine the Israelis have the technology to detect the tunnels from the air and the devices to make them a hell for anyone using them.

[32-40win]

It was apparently documented that there were 500+km of tunnels in Gaza n 2021 by someone doing some study or another, so folk can figure from there, lik it was said in the article related to it, Hamas has no doubt expanded that system.

A Jack Carr interview with an Israeli journalist, who has relatives that were kidnapped and taken to Gaza, still working on trying to figure out if they are even alive, trying to contact someone in Gaza that can help.
He also explains the new Israeli mindset, how Israel sees the definition of what Hamas is, bit of history related to Hamas and the Islamic Brotherhood that they sprang out of.
Very good interview and well worth anyone's time to listen to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL-KQHTnFEE

[TreeGuy]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

I read about one idea for the Hamas tunnels, not sure if it could be practical.

Secure a couple of spots on the coast with tanks, bring in a couple of pumper boats from the Mediterranean Sea and flood the tunnels with sea water. Not sure if the tunnels are all connected, or if a coastal entrance could be found.

Anyway, it would be like drowning out pocket gophers.

Yup. My thoughts exactly.

I did a water transfer gig for a bit. It doesn’t take long to setup several kilometres of 10” line and move up to 12m3/minute. Simple and effective.

Flush em out. Or whatever….

Tree


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[kingrat]

Iran now tells Israel if they invade Gaza that they'll basically destroy Israel, and the us moves another carrier into the region. This could get really ugly.

[Pioneer2]

Are sick of their Ayatollahs leadership,a civil war could change that provided the US + Israel target all underground nuclear facilities,and military targets. Once Iran was a staunch supporter of Israel and the West.Now living in the stone age. The Shah should have hung Khomeini to start with. Foolishly under pressure from the US Israel has now turned the water back on in Gaza.

[Sundancefisher]

CBC Rosemary Barton interview of a Canadian in Gaza was so anti Israel in her interview.

When he said he didn’t know why this was happening she could of said the reason was because Hamas massacred kids in Israel and Hamas is hiding behind civilians.

Absolutely disgusting how CBC is swinging coverage to anti Israel.

[gman1978]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

CBC Rosemary Barton interview of a Canadian in Gaza was so anti Israel in her interview.

When he said he didn’t know why this was happening she could of said the reason was because Hamas massacred kids in Israel and Hamas is hiding behind civilians.

Absolutely disgusting how CBC is swinging coverage to anti Israel.

I don’t understand how come the CBC is so anti Israel when the other side goes against every woke ideology the CBC could dream of.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

CBC Rosemary Barton interview of a Canadian in Gaza was so anti Israel in her interview.

When he said he didn’t know why this was happening she could of said the reason was because Hamas massacred kids in Israel and Hamas is hiding behind civilians.

Absolutely disgusting how CBC is swinging coverage to anti Israel.

Not sure why this shocks you, they pick the wrong side on practically every issue they've reported on in the last decade.

[270person]

Originally Posted by TreeGuy

Yup. My thoughts exactly.

I did a water transfer gig for a bit. It doesn’t take long to setup several kilometres of 10” line and move up to 12m3/minute. Simple and effective.

Flush em out. Or whatever….

Tree


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Great plan until they find out thats where hostages are being kept.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by 270person

Great plan until they find out thats where hostages are being kept.

Let's be realistic here. There's no way of finding where they are and are very probably dispersed to ensure they can't be rescued simultaneously. The hostages have been written off in Israel's perspective, but they're going to be massively revenged.

Grizz

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Let's be realistic here. There's no way of finding where they are and are very probably dispersed to ensure they can't be rescued simultaneously. The hostages have been written off in Israel's perspective, but they're going to be massively revenged.

Grizz

Israel doesn’t forget hostages. They swapped 1000 prisoners for one soldier.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by sns2

Israel doesn’t forget hostages. They swapped 1000 prisoners for one soldier.

They also hunted down and killed everyone of the terrorists responsible for the Munich massacre.

Grizz

[KGB]

Me think: once Israeli moved to Gaza, it will be easier to find hostages… the captured Hamas fighters will spill the beans very fast. Water boarding is cheap and effective. The locals sure saw some suspicious activities and can report to the Israeli intelligence for a appropriate $$$$
The rest is I wish to say easy but it is not….

[KGB]

Originally Posted by kingrat

Iran now tells Israel if they invade Gaza that they'll basically destroy Israel, and the us moves another carrier into the region. This could get really ugly.

Iran just announced in UN that they will not get involved unless Israel attacks them first… But can we really trust them?

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by KGB

Iran just announced in UN that they will not get involved unless Israel attacks them first… But can we really trust them?

Lest we forget, Israel has the Big One. If their survival is threatened, would they use it. ?

Grizz

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Lest we forget, Israel has the Big One. If their survival is threatened, would they use it. ?

Grizz

Without a doubt!

[KGB]

I just going to post this here regarding who own what in the region….
The land of Israel has been populated by the Jewish people since 2000 BC. Here's the timeline, in case you didn't realize that it is their homeland, as designated by Yahweh.
1900 BC: Abraham chosen by God as the Father of the Jewish Nation.
1900 BC: Isaac, Abraham's son, rules over Israel.
1850 BC: Jacob, son of Issac, rules over Israel.
1400 BC: Moses leads the people out of Egypt and back to Israel.
1010 BC: King David unites the 12 tribes into one nation.
970 BC: King Solomon, son of David, builds the first temple structure in Jerusalem
930 BC: Israel is divided into two kingdoms, the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah.
800s BC: The rise of the prophets, God's messengers.
722 BC: Kingdom of Israel is conquered by Assyrians.
605 BC: Kingdom Judah is conquered by the Babylonians.
586 BC: Solomon's Temple is destroyed by the Babylonians.
539 BC: Persians conquer the Babylonians and take control of Israel.
538 BC: The Jews return to Israel from exile.
520 BC: The Temple is rebuilt.
450 BC: Reforms made by Ezra and Nehemiah.
433 BC: Malachi is the end of the prophetic age.
432 BC: The last group of Jews return from exile.
333 BC: The Greeks conquer the Persian empire.
323 BC: The Egyptian and Syrian empire take over Israel.
167 BC: Hasmonean's recapture Israel, and the Jews are ruled independently.
70 BC: Romans conquer Israel.
20 BC: King Herod builds the "third" temple
6 BC: Jesus Christ is born in Bethlehem
70 AD: Romans destroy the temple
After that, the people were captives to the Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, and Crusaders. Through all of these events, the Jewish people continued to live in Israel. There were more or less of them, depending on the centuries, but there was never a time when the Jews didn't live in the land. They stayed, they built their communities, they raised their families, practiced their faith and they suffered at the hands of many outside rulers, but they always kept their faith. It is what sustains them, even now.
In 1948, the UN established the State of Israel, the nation of Jews. Don't buy the Palestinian lies that they are entitled to the land. It simply is not true. Yahweh will also provide a way for his chosen people to live in Israel, as He has for thousands of years. Pray for the people of Israel.

[traderal]

Thank you KGB for posting that

[igorot]

People are just too naive about the situation or pretend to know better. Gaza was a barren land until Israeil developed it into a productive land. What industry does Gaza have right at this moment, nada? No oil, no gas. Then why are these people still living up there? Where are they getting their funds to maintain? Go figure. The Middle East has a vast tract of land that is not developed, but you have your opportunity but highly doubt it. Let their brothers take them.

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by KGB

I just going to post this here regarding who own what in the region….
The land of Israel has been populated by the Jewish people since 2000 BC. Here's the timeline, in case you didn't realize that it is their homeland, as designated by Yahweh.
1900 BC: Abraham chosen by God as the Father of the Jewish Nation.
1900 BC: Isaac, Abraham's son, rules over Israel.
1850 BC: Jacob, son of Issac, rules over Israel.
1400 BC: Moses leads the people out of Egypt and back to Israel.
1010 BC: King David unites the 12 tribes into one nation.
970 BC: King Solomon, son of David, builds the first temple structure in Jerusalem
930 BC: Israel is divided into two kingdoms, the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah.
800s BC: The rise of the prophets, God's messengers.
722 BC: Kingdom of Israel is conquered by Assyrians.
605 BC: Kingdom Judah is conquered by the Babylonians.
586 BC: Solomon's Temple is destroyed by the Babylonians.
539 BC: Persians conquer the Babylonians and take control of Israel.
538 BC: The Jews return to Israel from exile.
520 BC: The Temple is rebuilt.
450 BC: Reforms made by Ezra and Nehemiah.
433 BC: Malachi is the end of the prophetic age.
432 BC: The last group of Jews return from exile.
333 BC: The Greeks conquer the Persian empire.
323 BC: The Egyptian and Syrian empire take over Israel.
167 BC: Hasmonean's recapture Israel, and the Jews are ruled independently.
70 BC: Romans conquer Israel.
20 BC: King Herod builds the "third" temple
6 BC: Jesus Christ is born in Bethlehem
70 AD: Romans destroy the temple
After that, the people were captives to the Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, and Crusaders. Through all of these events, the Jewish people continued to live in Israel. There were more or less of them, depending on the centuries, but there was never a time when the Jews didn't live in the land. They stayed, they built their communities, they raised their families, practiced their faith and they suffered at the hands of many outside rulers, but they always kept their faith. It is what sustains them, even now.
In 1948, the UN established the State of Israel, the nation of Jews. Don't buy the Palestinian lies that they are entitled to the land. It simply is not true. Yahweh will also provide a way for his chosen people to live in Israel, as He has for thousands of years. Pray for the people of Israel.

The only thing from the list that has relevance is the UN decision in 1948. The rest has nothing to do with anything, not Yahweh, not Allah, not anything else of the sorts.

[Big Sky]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

Foolishly under pressure from the US Israel has now turned the water back on in Gaza.

Apparently the water is only getting turned on in the south.
An act of humanitarianism, but at the same time some encouragement for people to vacate the north.

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

They also hunted down and killed everyone of the terrorists responsible for the Munich massacre.

I would hope that they hunt down the terrorists who were shown on video committing despicable acts against civilians.
- the ones parading the dead woman through the streets in the back of a truck
- the ones with the rape victim in the jeep
- the ones transporting grandmothers into Gaza on golf carts and motorbikes
etc, etc

With modern technology and $$$$, hopefully they can identify the perpetrators.

[badbrass]

X2

Originally Posted by Big Sky

Apparently the water is only getting turned on in the south.
An act of humanitarianism, but at the same time some encouragement for people to vacate the north.



I would hope that they hunt down the terrorists who were shown on video committing despicable acts against civilians.
- the ones parading the dead woman through the streets in the back of a truck
- the ones with the rape victim in the jeep
- the ones transporting grandmothers into Gaza on golf carts and motorbikes
etc, etc

With modern technology and $$$$, hopefully they can identify the perpetrators.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

The only thing from the list that has relevance is the UN decision in 1948. The rest has nothing to do with anything, not Yahweh, not Allah, not anything else of the sorts.

Good book on the subject, cover the entire British mandate to the creation of the state of Israel. One Palestine Complete is what the British called it in the official transfer documents from the Turks.

https://www.amazon.ca/One-Palestine-.../dp/0805065873

Grizz

[sjemac]

I think Israel’s plan is to go full Roman and “salt the earth” of north Gaza, making it unlivable and giving them a buffer.