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Nobody will do anything stupid because all sacrifices will be on South Korea side,.
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Not unless it is the stupid guy who seems to be always talking stupid. The guy who never seems to get anything done and later claims "who knew it would be so complicated"
Leave North Korea alone or befriend them. Don't expect Russia or China to help.
Diplomacy may work, but probably not Trump talk or Trump tweets.
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Dont need a map. Been there
Id rather the nuke option than ONE Canadian flag draped coffin. And the further away Canadians are, the better.
We need to learn to mind our own business. We are not the worlds babysitter.
And if those other countries are concerned about nuclear fallout, I suggest they put their big girl panties on and deal with that guy. There's some incentive for them
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Send in the CIA
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I just wanted to point out that the USA hasn't won a war since world war 2. Not that anyone wins when there is war, but they haven't defeated an adversary since.
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I just wanted to point out that the USA hasn't won a war since world war 2. Not that anyone wins when there is war, but they haven't defeated an adversary since.
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The USA was on the winning side but it was an allied effort. They did a number on Japan though.
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It would make turdeau look good if we did join in. This is quite a predicament given the south would almost instantly loose a lot of people within the first hour. I'm sure the only reason it hasn't happened yet.
I feel bad for all the people that live there. A good percentage of the children are malnourished and look like the kids from Ethiopia along with all the strict rules the citezens have to follow or face death in most cases. Marijuana use is legal in North Korea however and rather surprising. It grows wild all along the city streets and even the military personall smoke it regularly.
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
Dont need a map. Been there
Id rather the nuke option than ONE Canadian flag draped coffin. And the further away Canadians are, the better.
We need to learn to mind our own business. We are not the worlds babysitter.
And if those other countries are concerned about nuclear fallout, I suggest they put their big girl panties on and deal with that guy. There's some incentive for them
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Thats nothing more than the antiquated musings of a crusty old-school isolationist.
Have two world wars taught you nothing?!
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The two recognized wars have taught me nothing.
The current world events have also taught me nothing.
If isolationism can balance i am for it.
But i like .
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Thats nothing more than the antiquated musings of a crusty old-school isolationist.
Have two world wars taught you nothing?!
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And why do you know? What great degree of violence have you been through thatbhs made difference for us all?
Isolationism is a far cry from what he said. Get a dictionary and then volnteer yourself and send a few of your kids.
There is nothing more irritating that the dog barking that isn't in the fight.
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Korean 'Police Action'
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Just an FYI.....It was never a declared war, it was a UN police action, officially called "The Korean Conflict." Although, most people mistakenly refer to it as "The Korean War."
No offence but, I just wanted to clarify.
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True ^, but it was a 'War' nonetheless. The UN chose to call it "a police action" for political reasons, and political reasons only. And by not declaring war, that didn't make it any less of a war.
The body count may help to explain how much of a 'War' it really was ... http://www.koreanwaronline.com/arms/casualty.htm
I've got all my fingers crossed, that China will rein that knucklehead in. If not, that war may start again!
Time will tell.
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thats nothing more than the antiquated musings of a crusty old-school isolationist.
Have two world wars taught you nothing?!
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lol!!!!
Lol!!
Here's some good advice
Contact catnthehat. He's a moderator. Ask him to allow you to edit your posts before everyone here reads how stupid you are.
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Why was Canada in World War 1, other than Britain decided to join the war and dragged Canada into it?
Why are we expected to get involved in conflicts across the world? It's not isolationist to jump into every stupid conflict.
The middle east is a prime example.
Why should our young men die because of a bunch of politicians think they need to have some sort of influence across the ocean??
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Let the Chinese strengthen this out to suit themselves.
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They already have. The current situation suits them just fine. Nuclear N Korea constantly barking at and threatening the US.
China's the only wild card here. The US could take out North Korea pretty quickly. Remember all the crying about how powerful and large the Iraqi army was? Pfffft. The only issue is whether China would get involved, replaying the last war. I think that's less likely now. Current rulers are a little more cautious than Mao was, and there is no threat that the US would just keep going once it got to the Chinese border, like there was last time.
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In this case Oki has cut to to the exact heart of the matter!
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The main problem is that a wast majority of a country population are willing wardens and, until this part is changed, it doesn't matter who's head is cut. Money, lure of cheap goods, food and sneaky propaganda is the way to go for now. Countries, even nuclear ones, fold from withing for the last 60 years. History shows that it is way harder to "win hearts and minds" after you bomb a country into a stone age, even the ones who never choose to exit this age.
"Smart and sneaky" wins "tough", especially "pretend tough" every time.
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You are a bit mistaken, the vast majority of the population are prisoners, but the overwhelming balance of power lies with the government and the military. these social structures are extremely difficult to topple, because it means that the unarmed and docile must confront their oppressor, much like a herd of wildebeast would surround and kill a lion. only when the population is starving to the point of death is this threshold reached. this type of situation is presently being practiced in many countries...most of the world, in fact. some countries which trumpet capitalism and freedom are facades for dictators...nothing is going to change until humanity imposes restrictions on elected representatives.
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You are a bit mistaken, the vast majority of the population are prisoners, but the overwhelming balance of power lies with the government and the military. these social structures are extremely difficult to topple, because it means that the unarmed and docile must confront their oppressor, much like a herd of wildebeast would surround and kill a lion. only when the population is starving to the point of death is this threshold reached. this type of situation is presently being practiced in many countries...most of the world, in fact. some countries which trumpet capitalism and freedom are facades for dictators...nothing is going to change until humanity imposes restrictions on elected representatives.
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Very curious as to how you see humanity imposing these restrictions? What will happen to give humanity power to do this imposing on anyone? Or are you saying that humanity will evolve to the state of actually loving your neighbor as yourself instead of coveting what your neighbor has? If humanity ever arrives at that state imposing will not be needed.
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04-24-2017, 07:29 PM
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because it means that the unarmed and docile must confront their oppressor, much like a herd of wildebeast would surround and kill a lion. .
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Are you talking Coup d' etat in North Korea?
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Impeachment in USA?
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You are a bit mistaken, the vast majority of the population are prisoners, but the overwhelming balance of power lies with the government and the military. these social structures are extremely difficult to topple, because it means that the unarmed and docile must confront their oppressor, much like a herd of wildebeast would surround and kill a lion. only when the population is starving to the point of death is this threshold reached. this type of situation is presently being practiced in many countries...most of the world, in fact. some countries which trumpet capitalism and freedom are facades for dictators...nothing is going to change until humanity imposes restrictions on elected representatives.
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Judging by your name, you are of USSR origin - remember pictures of Soviet people when Stalin died? Even not so brainwashed felt lost and in danger of "militaristic West", not all, but majority. I spoke to many older people asking how they could be manipulated so easy, I think the answer is that we all are somewhat brainwashed, even with news we casually listen to on radio in the car here.
I think in countries like NK, or earlier USSR propaganda pressure is much higher.
You are imposing your state of mind on NK people, I doubt it's a valid way to judge their mentality. I can't be absolutely sure, just as you can't, but I admit the possibility that they may very well be brainwashed enough to start the glorious war against evil Americans, just as generations of them were told will happen. Try to look at the country they live in from their perspective - we live in a very poor conditions, constant sanctions, half a country is "occupied" by the US and USA singled us out and just won't leave us along. Not hard to support an evil militaristic enemy image to exploit.
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They already have. The current situation suits them just fine. Nuclear N Korea constantly barking at and threatening the US.
China's the only wild card here. The US could take out North Korea pretty quickly. Remember all the crying about how powerful and large the Iraqi army was? Pfffft. The only issue is whether China would get involved, replaying the last war. I think that's less likely now. Current rulers are a little more cautious than Mao was, and there is no threat that the US would just keep going once it got to the Chinese border, like there was last time.
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Well put!
Without China's support, North Korea wouldn't even exist. So the bigger picture is really about both those countries. If China can be convinced that North Korea is bad for China's business & international trade, we may see some major changes in that part of the world.
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Well put!
Without China's support, North Korea wouldn't even exist.
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If North Korea did not exist maybe the USA's problem would be China?
I think the USA's problem is with China and Russia.
NK is just China lite!
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Very curious as to how you see humanity imposing these restrictions? What will happen to give humanity power to do this imposing on anyone? Or are you saying that humanity will evolve to the state of actually loving your neighbor as yourself instead of coveting what your neighbor has? If humanity ever arrives at that state imposing will not be needed.
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what I am thinking of is more like what transpired in France, when the populace was starving and overthrew the monarchy. this isn't rocket science, politicians are masters of deception, and recent scientific research have concluded that the overwhelming majority of people who aspire to political office are sociopaths. people which have an inherent manipulative mindset should not be crafting social structure, because they can and will create an advantage for themselves at the very least, or create a serious conflict with another country at worst. they have been with us since we lived in trees, and humanity has advanced not because of their presence and manipulation, but in spite of it. I'm not saying we will hold hands and sing kumbaya, but if the entire planet could ban these personality types from positions of authority, we would all be better off. on a personal level, it's like the guy on the crew who has no skill or work ethic, and manipulates others to do his job, taking credit for others skill while bragging to the boss how he is holding the company from going into bankruptcy. the very best of this personality type are what is running for public office. at the highest level, it gets dirty and vicious between competing sociopaths, where treachery, blackmail, and in extreme cases, murder is possible.
I can't see the day that they will be excluded from public office, because the overwhelming majority of the population is oblivious to their manipulations.
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I think North Korean people would have a much greater quality of like if there was a huge war and the North Korean government was removed. But, if they aren't taking over other countries (like the Germans did) why should we get involved in improving their quality of life if they don't want it?
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Judging by your name, you are of USSR origin - remember pictures of Soviet people when Stalin died? Even not so brainwashed felt lost and in danger of "militaristic West", not all, but majority. I spoke to many older people asking how they could be manipulated so easy, I think the answer is that we all are somewhat brainwashed, even with news we casually listen to on radio in the car here.
I think in countries like NK, or earlier USSR propaganda pressure is much higher.
You are imposing your state of mind on NK people, I doubt it's a valid way to judge their mentality. I can't be absolutely sure, just as you can't, but I admit the possibility that they may very well be brainwashed enough to start the glorious war against evil Americans, just as generations of them were told will happen. Try to look at the country they live in from their perspective - we live in a very poor conditions, constant sanctions, half a country is "occupied" by the US and USA singled us out and just won't leave us along. Not hard to support an evil militaristic enemy image to exploit.
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my username is borrowed from my grandparents' cat. they have long since passed away, but my grandfather recalled stories to a very young child(me) from the old country. they saw the future of their country even as it made the transition from imperialism to the long slide into a totalitarian dictatorship. they saw the people who were positioning themselves to assume power, and they knew instinctively it was time to leave.
most of the lamentations of the populace after the deaths of dictators aren't genuine, these emotional displays are for the eyes of the secret police. if you don't cry long enough or hard enough, you will be investigated, or lose privileges. I have no doubt that a lot of them actually wish for an invasion or some kind of political upheaval so they can actually look toward a new day with optimism, and not hopeless resignation. certainly not all of them, some make the best of their lot in life, and others don't know any different. I think that they have hopes and aspirations like any one else.
I often think how the Korean people would change their own views if they could experience both political systems in rapid succession, like one day to the next.
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I'm not saying we will hold hands and sing kumbaya, but if the entire planet could ban these personality types from positions of authority, we would all be better off.
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How do you see that happening?
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I think North Korean people would have a much greater quality of like if there was a huge war and the North Korean government was removed. But, if they aren't taking over other countries (like the Germans did) why should we get involved in improving their quality of life if they don't want it?
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Yes Why?
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my username is borrowed from my grandparents' cat. they have long since passed away, but my grandfather recalled stories to a very young child(me) from the old country. they saw the future of their country even as it made the transition from imperialism to the long slide into a totalitarian dictatorship. they saw the people who were positioning themselves to assume power, and they knew instinctively it was time to leave.
most of the lamentations of the populace after the deaths of dictators aren't genuine, these emotional displays are for the eyes of the secret police. if you don't cry long enough or hard enough, you will be investigated, or lose privileges. I have no doubt that a lot of them actually wish for an invasion or some kind of political upheaval so they can actually look toward a new day with optimism, and not hopeless resignation. certainly not all of them, some make the best of their lot in life, and others don't know any different. I think that they have hopes and aspirations like any one else.
I often think how the Korean people would change their own views if they could experience both political systems in rapid succession, like one day to the next.
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I think views can be changed, but how can anyone arrange for even a small portion of a captive population to experience another political system?
Now suppose you could remove their oppressive leaders? Then what? Pronounce their freedom of choice and leave? You just know they will make another choice and probably something just as bad or worse will take over.
There is a way that will work but it would take a long long time and even more patience and will be filled with stumbling blocks along the way.
It is the opposite of depriving them and starving them with sanctions and then saying "Behave or we will .........make you!"
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SK/US ongoing War Games . . .
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Live Fire Drills in South Korea, just 15 miles from the DMZ ... http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asi...ive-fire-drill
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I would Volunteer, I would do it for my country.
If Canada goes then I will volunteer for my country, to serve my country again.
If USA goes like during the orginal Korean conflict, then like the Canadian Veterans before me, I will still go and volunteer with them.
I am a CF Veteran having served our great country for ten years, and I will do it again, even with my bad knees.
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You are a bit mistaken, the vast majority of the population are prisoners, but the overwhelming balance of power lies with the government and the military. these social structures are extremely difficult to topple, because it means that the unarmed and docile must confront their oppressor, much like a herd of wildebeast would surround and kill a lion. only when the population is starving to the point of death is this threshold reached. this type of situation is presently being practiced in many countries...most of the world, in fact. some countries which trumpet capitalism and freedom are facades for dictators...nothing is going to change until humanity imposes restrictions on elected representatives.
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I totally agree with your last sentence. I've also had some time to ponder on this predicament as I maybe visiting the region so I've done my research. I have come to the conclusion that it would make the most sense to me that the surrounding country's like Russia, china and the norths main issue the United States come together and arm the south out the tail pipe so they can defend them selves, minus any nukes as today's modern war fare makes nukes look ancient. I'm sure it's not quite that simple but the point is there and sounds like a possible solution and if that doesn't work nail them from all four corners all at once. War is never easy to hear about as I have a soft spot for the youngins involved and exactly why I support Canada's new citizens.
Made sense to me, have a couple Wobblies and it may to you
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These happen every year at the same time in the same place.
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