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Old 02-19-2020, 12:22 PM
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Andrew Scheer is advancing Non Confidence vote.

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Old 02-19-2020, 12:35 PM
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Lets hope he gets some votes to get this going, if the NPD don't allow this to continue then we know where they sit.
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:38 PM
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I am crossing all my fingers and toes but I don’t have faith in the other parties giving support
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:41 PM
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I am crossing all my fingers and toes but I don’t have faith in the other parties giving support
The Conservatives know it will die, it was never meant to pass. What it does do is force the parties to publicly support the Liberal in-action on this and give them another tool to use to sway support in an election.
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Andrew Scheer is advancing Non Confidence vote.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cons...tion-1.4818561

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" ... Conservative House Leader Candice Bergen said that just because they've given notice of this motion doesn't mean it's the one they'll be going ahead with ... "

Time will tell.

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Old 02-19-2020, 12:51 PM
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I can't see it going through, as the Conservatives do not have the new leader in place and they are busy running a leadership campaign plus, the NDP are broke and can't afford an election at this time.
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Old 02-19-2020, 01:34 PM
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Did you see how the other 3 leaders blasted Scheer for his comments when he actually spoke for most of Canada on these blockades? They all pretty much wrote him off as a racist. And to have Turdo not invite him to the all party meeting was a low blow, even for him. He had a right to represent his party in that meeting.


No way any of the 3 will support his non confidence vote but good on him.
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Old 02-19-2020, 01:42 PM
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Did you see how the other 3 leaders blasted Scheer for his comments when he actually spoke for most of Canada on these blockades? They all pretty much wrote him off as a racist. And to have Turdo not invite him to the all party meeting was a low blow, even for him. He had a right to represent his party in that meeting.


No way any of the 3 will support his non confidence vote but good on him.
Scheer and the conservatives are the voice or reason in Ottawa these days. Why would the others invite a voice of reason to a meeting where they plan to do absolutely nothing to resolve the issues. This group doesn't believe in the country, they don't believe in our economy, they don't believe in the use of force to get things done.

I was only 8 years old in 1970 when PET invoked the war measures act to settle the crisis in Quebec. I don't know for sure but I'm willing to bet it took less than 2 weeks for him to get this done. I'm was never a supporter of PET in the years leading up to his retirement.

Sure be nice if his spawn had balls and got things done to resolve the mess he created himself. It'd be messy for a few days, and he might even garner some respect from the majority of the country. But I won't hold my breath.

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Old 02-19-2020, 02:02 PM
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Interesting article on this subject this AM, Trudope is really playing a bet that the opposition will not oppose him and he won't have to lose face to his cabinet and the party and his greenie friends on the fact that the Cons don't have an electable leader. Which is a pretty realistic bet at the moment.

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Old 02-19-2020, 03:18 PM
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Meaningless hand waving.
Nobody wants an election.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:00 PM
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What it will do is give Canadians a clear view on how their party views them. As inconsiderate voters that get in the way of their warped ideology or a party that wants the country moving. I believe it would be a good move by them, people are fed up and hopefully have a long memory.
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I haven't been wearing my tinfoil hat today. Someone suggested that Trudeau is deliberately driving a wedge between the Indigenous citizens of Canada and the rest by refusing to follow the wishes of the majority even after a Global poll determined that over 60% of Canadians oppose the rail blockades.

This seems far-fetched and yet why would he sit on his hands at this crucial time? He needs to find a few more votes to get a majority government. The northern parts of BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan voted Conservative in the last election. Perhaps Trudeau thinks that doing nothing while Conservatives call for action will change that next time. He seems intent on setting Indigenous vs Conservative for sure.

Okay, putting on the tinfoil again. Much more likely that he's just too spineless to make a decision that doesn't involve corruption in Quebec.
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Conservatives back away from non confidence motion because the Dippers and Bloc won’t support the motion.

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Conservatives, most of all, don't want an election yet.
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I would think if the Liberals don't get these blockades cleared fast and keep them cleared the Conservatives could well win an election based on willingness to use law enforcement as needed.
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We are so SCREWED !!
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Subject: It is about bloody time that this story was told - Every LIBERAL should be hanging their head!

The Liberals have to go!

Rail blockades could turn into a full-blown secession crisis

The government stand that it does not want to “inflame” the blockade situation is pure cowardice. The nation is being blackmailed and we must never agree to pay a ransom to appease a few bullies who are pressing dubious claims of having sovereignty that pre-dates confederation.
As Ms Francis observes below, “Such lawlessness has been emboldened since 2015, when Trudeau decided the federal government would not enforce the First Nations Financial Transparency Act.”
Having waived accountability, our government is shovelling funds to indigenous people. 2019-20 transfer spending for Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada:

Transfer payments for Negotiations of Claims and Self-Government Agreements

$140,082,583
Transfer payments for Specific Claims
$683,719,699
Transfer payments for Management and Implementation of Agreements and Treaties

$1,016,898,027
Transfer payments for Consultation and Accommodation

$600,000
Transfer payments for Consultation and Policy Development

$33,080,295
Transfer payments for Federal Interlocutor's Contribution Program

$79,591,830
Transfer payments for Basic Organizational Capacity

$25,285,531
Transfer payments for First Nation Jurisdiction Over Land and Economic Development

$80,397,462
Transfer payments for Northern and Arctic Governance and Partnerships

$108,867,172
Transfer payments for Individual Affairs
$5,455,720
Transfer payments for Residential Schools Resolution

$1,000,000
Transfer payments for Indigenous Entrepreneurship and Business Development

$43,670,000
Transfer payments for Economic Development Capacity and Readiness

$99,174,478
Transfer payments for Land, Natural Resources and Environmental Management

$139,304,896
Transfer payments for Climate Change Adaptation and Clean Energy

$32,550,000
Transfer payments for Northern and Arctic Environmental Sustainability

$8,956,499
Transfer payments for Northern Contaminated Sites

$86,443,610
Transfer payments for Nutrition North
$95,317,628

TOTAL
$2,680,395,430





It appears that about $2 billion of the transfers are to offset legal costs incurred by Indigenous bands. In short, taxpayers are funding Indigenous tribes to sue us. Activists blocking highways and rail lines have good reason to believe the federal government will not hold them to account. This illusion can be dealt with.
Start with arresting and detaining all protesters who engage in the disruption of or access to government or private services. Make a peace bond a condition of bail. Do not impose fines; require a few hundred hours of community service with the alternative of time in jail.
Indigenous hereditary chiefs are trying to impose 17th century rule by kings on a portion of Canada. Like their counterparts in Europe and Africa they live in obscurity dreaming of a day when they can exercise the powers of their ancestors. Royalty in a democracy has a tough road to travel.
Claims by hereditary chiefs that their sovereignty precedes confederation and “colonial law” repeals the human and charter rights of the people living on the lands claimed and negates the common law protections for order and peace.
A successful claim by hereditary chiefs would mean that residents in the area would receive no services or support from the federal and provincial governments they refuse to recognize. Imposing a royal prerogative cuts two ways.
There can be no negotiations with hereditary indigenous chiefs until they can prove conclusively that most residents living on the land that they claim accept the chiefs as their leaders.
Land claims are one thing and can be argued in court. Claims that inherited rights include the rule of people under royal entitlement is not acceptable in any free world nation. Too much blood has been shed to break the arbitrary rule of kings for us to ever go back to those horrors.
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Rail blockades could turn into a full-blown secession crisis — and Trudeau's government is to blame
Five years of pandering and subsidising 632 First Nations leaders has led to this catastrophe
Diane Francis
National Post
February 13, 2020
The illegal road and rail blockades perpetrated by Indigenous radicals across the country are not about pipelines or fossil fuels. It’s an existential threat to Canada and its sovereignty — and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government is to blame.
Five years of pandering and subsidizing 632 First Nations leaders has led to this catastrophe, which is being spearheaded by five unelected hereditary chiefs in British Columbia who claim their nation — the Wet’suwet’en — is exempt from Canadian laws and regulations. They claim sovereignty over a 22,000-square-kilometre swath of land, an area the size of Israel, and have successfully invoked nationwide solidarity protests that have crippled portions of the country’s rail system.
Wet’suwet’en hereditary leaders and their accomplices have defied court orders and ignored agreements signed by 20 band councils, including their own. The issue at hand is the building of a 670-kilometre gas pipeline to a $40-billion LNG plant on the coast, but at stake is the future of Canada itself.
On Dec. 31, the B.C. Supreme Court ordered protesters to allow workers access to a remote logging road in northern B.C. But Wet’suwet’en activists continued to block the road and, days later, 28 were arrested (six of whom were released without charges). Now, dozens of arrests have followed across the country.
Such lawlessness has been emboldened since 2015, when Trudeau decided the federal government would not enforce the First Nations Financial Transparency Act. The law requires Indigenous leaders, often inherited chiefs, to be accountable and transparent by forcing them to publish audits of band expenses, including their compensation. Along the way, Ottawa has also sidestepped disputes involving corruption, rigged elections, no elections, nepotism and charter rights violations.
By ceding its oversight powers to band chiefs and councils, without checks and balances, or any semblance of accountability, the feds have allowed the rights of the Indigenous people who fall under the control of these chiefs and councils to be trampled upon, according to Indigenous lawyer and activist Catherine Twinn. Now, the rights of all Canadians are being trampled on.
Read on: https://nationalpost.com/diane-franc...b-64b5cb5c56bb



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