Climate Change Hoax Exposed?

[RescueDiver]

I have to be honest, I have limited research done but what he says does seem to make sense. When ever a hear a news report about a day being the hottest in 100years...or coldest, or wettest.... I think to myself then nothing is really changing....it was this hot or cold before.

What do you guys think? I know the video is a bit long but you get the gest in the first few minutes.

http://youtu.be/iEPW_P7GVB8

[dmcbride]

The man made climate change is just propaganda using fear so some people can get rich.

[TripleTTT]

Unfortunatley, the agendaist's have hit upon popular thread of human self importance. Climate change has always happened. And will continue to do so, with or without us.

[Redfrog]

This scam is progressing at the speed of money.

What started as man made Global Warming has progressed to "Climate Change" to this week's man made "World Pollution."

As the conference gets moving the rhetoric has changed from warming to pollution. Spin at it's finest.

People shivering in the dark nay be hard pressed to believe it's their own dang fault and they need to pay money for absolution. But everyone knows humans are dirty and crap in their own beds. No one denies man produces pollution and is a problem that needs to dealt with. We can all get rid of our guilt by writing a cheque.

Easier sell than Ice ages, and Global warmings.

[Grizzly Adams]

There's a theory that says you constantly have to keep people in fear of something to control them. Once we get past the Climate change issue, they'll find something else. Draw your own conclusion.

Grizz

[sjd]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

The man made climate change is just propaganda using fear so some people can get rich.

Ha ha ha seriously

Unlike climate change denial which is just propaganda so that the same old companies can stay rich - been following the news on Exxon much?

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by sjd

Ha ha ha seriously

Unlike climate change denial which is just propaganda so that the same old companies can stay rich - been following the news on Exxon much?

So how did the climate change before man came along?

[Steven Noel]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

So how did the climate change before man came along?

It's not a matter of the climate having been stable before people, it's a matter that we are influencing the direction and rate of change.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by Steven Noel

It's not a matter of the climate having been stable before people, it's a matter that we are influencing the direction and rate of change.

Never fear, for when we go too far mother nature will bitch slap us back down. If we pollute too much we die....our water will be poison...our air will be unbreathable...all wild animals and fish will be gone..the trees and grass will all die.....we will starve to death and the re-generation will begin again.

[Steven Noel]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

Never fear, for when we go too far mother nature will bitch slap us back down. If we pollute too much we die....our water will be poison...our air will be unbreathable...all wild animals and fish will be gone..the trees and grass will all die.....we will starve to death and the re-generation will begin again.

But fear not, in the short term we can return some great fiscal quarters.

[histyle]

From the 1970's to today, first it was global cooling, then global warming, and now the wonderfully generic term 'climate change'. What was the solution to each of these problems: government control of the energy industry, and re-distribution of wealth from the 'have countries' to the 'have-nots' to counter the so called problem. This is the biggest socialist/communist scheme EVER. It doesn't matter what science says, so long as it fits this agenda. Karl Marx would be proud. Useful idiots, indeed.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Steven Noel

It's not a matter of the climate having been stable before people, it's a matter that we are influencing the direction and rate of change.

As that old video pointed out...there is not one basis in fact to worry this warming trend since the last ice age is anything but normal. The only thing making someone think it is not is blaming everything bad on mankind. Snow, rain, drought, flood, hurricane, heat wave, cold wave, tornadoes, and so on.

As or climate being stable...that is a total myth. Climate has been anything but stable. The dirty thirties was not global warming. The pending ice age scare of the 1970's was not global warming. Then there is the medieval warming period 950-1250 and the last ice age 1300 to 1850.

Midieval warming period study

The total lack of support for research trying to disprove all the what if studies...that is sad.

I challenge you to bring to the forum 5 studies that make you strongly believe that mankind's use of fossil fuels is causing dangerous global warming.

I am serious.

I will read the entire 5 studies and we can chat on it.

As a past university trained science grad...I am still looking. I have not found 1 yet.

Don't believe anything that you read on the internet or see on TV. Go to the actual study.

Cheers

SDF

[thumper]

Have you noticed that the days are getting shorter and shorter? Or is it just me?

Global darkening!!!!
And it must the fault of us old fat white guys!
Quick, raise taxes ...

[tri777]

Originally Posted by thumper

Have you noticed that the days are getting shorter and shorter? Or is it just me?

Global darkening!!!!
And it must the fault of us old fat white guys!
Quick, raise taxes ...

THAT^^!!

..and in approx 120days, there is another freak of nature rumour
floating around that the days will go into another 'out of control'
longer duration of sun filled days..this is all so perplexing..we
desperatly need to funnel all our money together to figure out this
as money is our ONLY hope that may bail us out of this stock market like fluctuating weather madness!!!

[Heyupduck]

It is very interesting, and I hope to keep an open mind. I was a bit dissapointed to see how closely he his related to the mining Industry though.
Kind of like a fox giving reasons not to upgrade security of the henhouse.(but this should not be reason to discount his information)


I think I agree that schools are not giving our children impartial information, or following a scientific method which angers me.


(from wikipedia)
Plimer is the former non-executive director of CBH Resources Limited from 1998 to 2010, former non-executive director of Angel Mining plc from 2003 to 2005, former director of Kimberley Metals Limited from 2008 to 2009, former director of KBL Mining Limited from 2008 to 2009 and former director of Ormil Energy Limited from 2010 to 2011.[3][16]

He is currently the non-executive deputy chairman of KEFI Minerals Plc since 2006,[17] independent non-executive director of Ivanhoe Australia Limited since 2007,[18] chairman of TNT Mines Limited since 2010,[11][19] non-executive director of Niuminco Group Limited (formerly DSF International Holdings Limited) since 2011,[20][21] and non-executive director of Silver City Minerals Limited since 2011.[3][16][22][23][24] Plimer was appointed director of Roy Hill Holdings and Queensland Coal Investments in 2012.[25]

According to a columnist in The Age, Plimer earned over $400,000 (AUD) from several of these companies, and he has mining shares and options worth hundreds of thousands of Australian dollars.[26] Plimer has stated that his business interests do not affect the independence of his beliefs.

[drhu22]

Originally Posted by RescueDiver

I have to be honest, I have limited research done but what he says does seem to make sense. When ever a hear a news report about a day being the hottest in 100years...or coldest, or wettest.... I think to myself then nothing is really changing....it was this hot or cold before.
What do you guys think? I know the video is a bit long but you get the gest in the first few minutes.http://youtu.be/iEPW_P7GVB8

Youve done little research, and you want to compare views with a bunch of biased, self interested rednecks. Sounds like a good way to get to the truth of the matter!

[dawei88]

Climate is always changing, like ice age, dinosaur time. The living things can and will adopt to the change. There is nothing to worry about.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by drhu22

Youve done little research, and you want to compare views with a bunch of biased, self interested rednecks. Sounds like a good way to get to the truth of the matter!

So...he should only listen to someone really smart ....like you?

[dodger]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

As that old video pointed out...there is not one basis in fact to worry this warming trend since the last ice age is anything but normal. The only thing making someone think it is not is blaming everything bad on mankind. Snow, rain, drought, flood, hurricane, heat wave, cold wave, tornadoes, and so on.

As or climate being stable...that is a total myth. Climate has been anything but stable. The dirty thirties was not global warming. The pending ice age scare of the 1970's was not global warming. Then there is the medieval warming period 950-1250 and the last ice age 1300 to 1850.

Midieval warming period study

The total lack of support for research trying to disprove all the what if studies...that is sad.

I challenge you to bring to the forum 5 studies that make you strongly believe that mankind's use of fossil fuels is causing dangerous global warming.

I am serious.

I will read the entire 5 studies and we can chat on it.

As a past university trained science grad...I am still looking. I have not found 1 yet.

Don't believe anything that you read on the internet or see on TV. Go to the actual study.

Cheers

SDF

I always appreciate your input to these threads.
Dodger.

[EZM]

Although its true the climate has changed on a cycle for as long we can record it through science. What is unclear (and neither camp can absolutely prove anything) ...... is if the rate of change (warming in this case) has been accelerated due to the pollutants we put into the air and dump into our watersheds.

People who proclaim it a hoax are just as ignorant as those who say it's real as far as I'm concerned. They have zero credibility in my opinion and they just want to "take a side" in an argument we simply don't know enough about yet.

I know pollution and climate change are 2 different topics but nobody can argue there isn't some impact or interrelational impact from one to the other.

Take a trip to any major city in mainland China and try and tell me there isn't a problem. There are children there that have never seen a clear sky or the sun without a haze of pollution/smog.

I can't tell you climate change is real or if it's a hoax. My feeling is we better be careful not to ignore the pollution we are creating.

It would really suck to be so close minded and willing to plug our ears to believe what "we want" to be true and end up being wrong wouldn't it? as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing against us having a cleaner environment.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Heyupduck

It is very interesting, and I hope to keep an open mind. I was a bit dissapointed to see how closely he his related to the mining Industry though.
Kind of like a fox giving reasons not to upgrade security of the henhouse.(but this should not be reason to discount his information)


I think I agree that schools are not giving our children impartial information, or following a scientific method which angers me.


(from wikipedia)
Plimer is the former non-executive director of CBH Resources Limited from 1998 to 2010, former non-executive director of Angel Mining plc from 2003 to 2005, former director of Kimberley Metals Limited from 2008 to 2009, former director of KBL Mining Limited from 2008 to 2009 and former director of Ormil Energy Limited from 2010 to 2011.[3][16]

He is currently the non-executive deputy chairman of KEFI Minerals Plc since 2006,[17] independent non-executive director of Ivanhoe Australia Limited since 2007,[18] chairman of TNT Mines Limited since 2010,[11][19] non-executive director of Niuminco Group Limited (formerly DSF International Holdings Limited) since 2011,[20][21] and non-executive director of Silver City Minerals Limited since 2011.[3][16][22][23][24] Plimer was appointed director of Roy Hill Holdings and Queensland Coal Investments in 2012.[25]

According to a columnist in The Age, Plimer earned over $400,000 (AUD) from several of these companies, and he has mining shares and options worth hundreds of thousands of Australian dollars.[26] Plimer has stated that his business interests do not affect the independence of his beliefs.

Good point. I never expected a geologist to work in a mine.

Remember real bad guys don't rob their neighbors. This guy lives on the same planet. He is not harming his world. He is just talking facts and removing the religious guess work that today's so can climate change research is all about.

[histyle]

Originally Posted by hal53

So...he should only listen to someone really smart ....like you?

Of course, we've been told the science is settled! No arguments to the contrary shall be tolerated!

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by EZM

Although its true the climate has changed on a cycle for as long we can record it through science. What is unclear (and neither camp can absolutely prove anything) ...... is if the rate of change (warming in this case) has been accelerated due to the pollutants we put into the air and dump into our watersheds.

People who proclaim it a hoax are just as ignorant as those who say it's real as far as I'm concerned. They have zero credibility in my opinion and they just want to "take a side" in an argument we simply don't know enough about yet.

I know pollution and climate change are 2 different topics but nobody can argue there isn't some impact or interrelational impact from one to the other.

Take a trip to any major city in mainland China and try and tell me there isn't a problem. There are children there that have never seen a clear sky or the sun without a haze of pollution/smog.

I can't tell you climate change is real or if it's a hoax. My feeling is we better be careful not to ignore the pollution we are creating.

It would really suck to be so close minded and willing to plug our ears to believe what "we want" to be true and end up being wrong wouldn't it? as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing against us having a cleaner environment.

Everyone agrees with stopping pollution. However CO2 is not pollution. It is natural. Remove it and we all die. Plants die. Earth cannot sustain life without CO2.

Also the last study on the topic said for the next 80 years we are in a net positive for humanity as global average temperatures rise.

The death toll on the planet if we head towards a new ice age is staggering.

[Heyupduck]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Good point. I never expected a geologist to work in a mine.

Remember real bad guys don't rob their neighbors. This guy lives on the same planet. He is not harming his world. He is just talking facts and removing the religious guess work that today's so can climate change research is all about.

I don't think he worked in a mine bud! Maybe a boardroom.
Hey, for me the jury is still out on climate change

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Everyone agrees with stopping pollution. However CO2 is not pollution. It is natural. Remove it and we all die. Plants die. Earth cannot sustain life without CO2.

Also the last study on the topic said for the next 80 years we are in a net positive for humanity as global average temperatures rise.

The death toll on the planet if we head towards a new ice age is staggering.

You are right ..... CO2 is not a pollutant - neither is H20, ice cream or pink ponies either ......

I assume you realize ...... CO (carbon monoxide) is not the same as CO2 (carbon dioxide)..... it's the stuff that kill us that needs more attention.

http://www.critical-environment.com/...n-dioxide-co2/

[cat336]

Originally Posted by EZM

Although its true the climate has changed on a cycle for as long we can record it through science. What is unclear (and neither camp can absolutely prove anything) ...... is if the rate of change (warming in this case) has been accelerated due to the pollutants we put into the air and dump into our watersheds.

People who proclaim it a hoax are just as ignorant as those who say it's real as far as I'm concerned. They have zero credibility in my opinion and they just want to "take a side" in an argument we simply don't know enough about yet.

I know pollution and climate change are 2 different topics but nobody can argue there isn't some impact or interrelational impact from one to the other.

Take a trip to any major city in mainland China and try and tell me there isn't a problem. There are children there that have never seen a clear sky or the sun without a haze of pollution/smog.

I can't tell you climate change is real or if it's a hoax. My feeling is we better be careful not to ignore the pollution we are creating.

It would really suck to be so close minded and willing to plug our ears to believe what "we want" to be true and end up being wrong wouldn't it? as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing against us having a cleaner environment.

I too would like a cleaner environment but until you hold China and India to our standards it's not going to happen.You can't clean up half the world and pour garbage into the air in the other half and expect any better.

[Steven Noel]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

As that old video pointed out...there is not one basis in fact to worry this warming trend since the last ice age is anything but normal. The only thing making someone think it is not is blaming everything bad on mankind. Snow, rain, drought, flood, hurricane, heat wave, cold wave, tornadoes, and so on.

As or climate being stable...that is a total myth. Climate has been anything but stable. The dirty thirties was not global warming. The pending ice age scare of the 1970's was not global warming. Then there is the medieval warming period 950-1250 and the last ice age 1300 to 1850.

Midieval warming period study

The total lack of support for research trying to disprove all the what if studies...that is sad.

I challenge you to bring to the forum 5 studies that make you strongly believe that mankind's use of fossil fuels is causing dangerous global warming.

I am serious.

I will read the entire 5 studies and we can chat on it.

As a past university trained science grad...I am still looking. I have not found 1 yet.

Don't believe anything that you read on the internet or see on TV. Go to the actual study.

Cheers

SDF

I certainly don't claim to be an expert or anywhere near one, however I am taking a course this semester on global climate dynamics which has provided me a bit of insight into some of the science behind the "99.9% of Scientists Agree in Anthroprogenic Climate Change" claim. To start, would you agree that CO2 and other greenhouse gases (CH4, water vapour etc.) contribute to global temperature through the greenhouse effect?

[EZM]

Originally Posted by cat336

I too would like a cleaner environment but until you hold China and India to our standards it's not going to happen.You can't clean up half the world and pour garbage into the air in the other half and expect any better.

I agree. I think the road to mass and indiscriminate polluters (like India, China) is to sanction (tax and levy) the goods we buy from them to encourage compliance.

That's how I see this developing into a resolution - it really is like your next door neighbor burning his trash and letting his dandelions grow with no regards to his other neighbors .... I really don't see any other options ...... asking nicely isn't working.

[Suka]

Funny how the, "true believers" of the new religion are almost all large city dwellers; you see, the climate in the country is just fine.

Cities are dirty and they stink; when you're flying toward a city (any city) just look for the grease spot on the horizon.

And yes, this new, "carbon tax" is just a cash grab that will accomplish absolutely nothing.

Oh, and what affects our climate more than everything else put together is the sun and the gravity of other heavenly bodies. But then that wouldn't justify destroying freedoms and raising taxes.

Personally if urbanites are hell bent on acting like lemming's I'd say go for it, unfortunately they seem intent on taking the rest of us with them. Enjoy the decline.

The urbanite's wanted chage; well they're going to get it, but it's not going to work out the way they thought in the long run.

[Redfrog]

"Take a trip to any major city in mainland China and try and tell me there isn't a problem. There are children there that have never seen a clear sky or the sun without a haze of pollution/smog."

This is exactly why we need a carbon tax in Canada.

It's for the children.

No one denies that pollution is a problem, but global warming is not pollution and unless you and everyone else on the planet is prepared to buy 'Made in Canada" then maybe it's time to get off that horse. He's pretty high up there.