Marijauna law passes Senate, including home grown

[muledriver]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4282677/p...senate-passes/

Canada joins Uruguay as the second country to legalize marijuana and Portugal who has decriminalized it (as well as all other drugs).

It appears that the experiments in Uruguay, Portugal and many of the States that overall, the effect has been positive; less crime, less policing for marijuana and associated costs, and a controlled environment that results in a lessening of marijuana use among minors.

Some huge grow operations are ready to go, and being built right now.

Wonder how we will look at this 5 years, 10 years and 25 years from now? Same as the removal of prohibition?

Edmonton area cannabis production set to soar | Edmonton Journal

[pikergolf]

Hopefully this will drive the price of my medical Mary Jane down.

[WHMS]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Hopefully this will drive the price of my medical Mary Jane down.

Hope this will drive stock prices up!

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Its all reefer madness I say. There will be naked hippies roaming the streets with big fuzzy beards and arm pits chanting a weird song....wait a second...that sounds like fun.

https://youtu.be/hH9_y91ihTo

[Weedy1]

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^

Its all reefer madness I say. There will be naked hippies roaming the streets with big fuzzy beards and arm pits chanting a weird song....wait a second...that sounds like fun.

https://youtu.be/hH9_y91ihTo

Originally Posted by ^v^Tinda wolf^v^

Legal skunk weed I'm going to eat a brick of hash like a chocolate bar when it's legal to do so

Sorry for the derail...just sayin.

Let us know how it works out for you.

[Big Grey Wolf]

Largest agriculture industry in BC will be in trouble as they will loose significant portion of their market. Maybe their heads will be much clearer in future and they will realize we need pipelines to transport oil.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Largest agriculture industry in BC will be in trouble as they will loose significant portion of their market. Maybe their heads will be much clearer in future and they will realize we need pipelines to transport oil.

Yep, a big part of BC's grey economy is going to take a hit.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/koot...tion-1.4692980

[Shepard..]

This is far from decriminalization of cannabis.. you are watching a complete goberment take over or hijacking of a grey market into the pockets of a db like Trudope and his little corrupt cronies.

5 years from now you'll all be dying from some odd form of cancer later to find out this dirt bag sold the seed rights to monsanto. Nothing like puffing on GMO weed eh....

So what happens to the peeps charged with cannabis related charges in the past?

[Scott N]

Originally Posted by Shepard..

This is far from decriminalization of cannabis.. you are watching a complete goberment take over or hijacking of a grey market into the pockets of a dirt bags like Trudope and his little corrupt cronies.

5 years from now you'll all be dying from some odd form of cancer later to find out this dirt bag sold the seed rights to monsanto. Nothing like puffing on GMO weed eh....

So what happens to the peeps charged with cannabis related charges in the past?

Do you believe that uses who have a good supply now, are going to switch to the high taxed cannabis that's going to be sold by the new retailers? I do agree with you that the Libs are doing this solely for their own benefit.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by WHMS

Hope this will drive stock prices up!

Think there's gonna be a lot of rationalizing going on, some people are gonna get caught out on a very thin limb. The usual result of over exuberance.

Grizz

[ruffy71]

I was watching a news article, and they quoted an RCMP that said it was naive to think legalization will have any effect on black market/criminal selling of pot.

Is that a knee jerk statement from the police? I understand there will still be black market/criminal aspects to pot, but by that logic, shouldn't there be a huge contraband issue with booze?

I think having a liquor store on every corner, advertising the crap out of discount liquor, has taken a huge number of illegal stills out of the bush. Am I being naive about this? Is moonshine still a huge thing?

But somehow, if pot is readily available, especially if they allow competition on price (which I think will happen eventually), there will be NO decrease in black market marijuana? That doesn't make sense to me. Any law enforcement types have insight into this?

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by ruffy71

I was watching a news article, and they quoted an RCMP that said it was naive to think legalization will have any effect on black market/criminal selling of pot.

Is that a knee jerk statement from the police? I understand there will still be black market/criminal aspects to pot, but by that logic, shouldn't there be a huge contraband issue with booze?

I think having a liquor store on every corner, advertising the crap out of discount liquor, has taken a huge number of illegal stills out of the bush. Am I being naive about this? Is moonshine still a huge thing?

But somehow, if pot is readily available, especially if they allow competition on price (which I think will happen eventually), there will be NO decrease in black market marijuana? That doesn't make sense to me. Any law enforcement types have insight into this?

The problem will be price, the government is planning on selling at 8 dollars a gram (low end, could be 10 dollars a gram) which is $3625.00 a pound. One can buy a pound right now for $900.00 if they know the right people. The big corporations can't compete with the hippie with little overhead costs.

[ruffy71]

Interesting, because I was watching another news bit, about a flower grower in Ontario, that has quit growing flowers, has tripled his square footage, to grow pot.

Interesting on two levels. When the senate and provinces were complaining about this and that, and let's wait, we're not ready etc etc. I can imagine the tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars invested and the investors behind those millions would have something to say about "delaying". Everybody is invested in this now, joe blow investor, politicians, cops, pension funds. Want to delay legalization for another year? Yeah right.

Secondly, in almost every other aspect of production in society, the big corps seem to have the advantage. I know I can grow a few plants myself, but I can't imagine these huge corporate entities with their millions of square feet of high tech growing capacity, that they are going to have a hard time pumping out A LOT of pot.

[FXSB]

40 years too late

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Shepard..

This is far from decriminalization of cannabis.. you are watching a complete goberment take over or hijacking of a grey market into the pockets of a db like Trudope and his little corrupt cronies.

5 years from now you'll all be dying from some odd form of cancer later to find out this dirt bag sold the seed rights to monsanto. Nothing like puffing on GMO weed eh....

So what happens to the peeps charged with cannabis related charges in the past?

Previous charges will stay on record.
Even when it's legal to smoke weed remember not to admit it to a border agent if you go into the US.....cuz you won't be getting in....ever!

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

The problem will be price, the government is planning on selling at 8 dollars a gram (low end, could be 10 dollars a gram) which is $3625.00 a pound. One can buy a pound right now for $900.00 if they know the right people. The big corporations can't compete with the hippie with little overhead costs.

Yup. Unless they make the price low enough there will always be a place for a little underground weed.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

The problem will be price, the government is planning on selling at 8 dollars a gram (low end, could be 10 dollars a gram) which is $3625.00 a pound. One can buy a pound right now for $900.00 if they know the right people. The big corporations can't compete with the hippie with little overhead costs.

That will be somewhat offset by the quality of that pound though, no? I've been to several of these facilities and they seem to be pretty high end. It wouldn't surprise me if the quality of the big guys is 2x to 3x times better than the $900/lb. Not that the price is justified alone, but combined with higher quality and convenience, I think the majority of the fly by night crowd will disappear.

I just bought a Magpul Armourers Wrench. It was expensive, 4-5 times some of those on eBay, but I walked into the shop and got it that day and I know exactly what I'm getting vs waiting for weeks and hoping the quality is reasonable. I see parallels here.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Shepard..

This is far from decriminalization of cannabis.. you are watching a complete goberment take over or hijacking of a grey market into the pockets of a db like Trudope and his little corrupt cronies.

5 years from now you'll all be dying from some odd form of cancer later to find out this dirt bag sold the seed rights to monsanto. Nothing like puffing on GMO weed eh....

So what happens to the peeps charged with cannabis related charges in the past?

Oh jeebus is that a complete " the sky is falling" post or what?
Who cares anyway , it is not going to change anything in the real world anymore than booze has changed things
Cat

[riden]

Originally Posted by Trochu

That will be somewhat offset by the quality of that pound though, no? I've been to several of these facilities and they seem to be pretty high end. It wouldn't surprise me if the quality of the big guys is 2x to 3x times better than the $900/lb. Not that the price is justified alone, but combined with higher quality and convenience, I think the majority of the fly by night crowd will disappear.

I just bought a Magpul Armourers Wrench. It was expensive, 4-5 times some of those on eBay, but I walked into the shop and got it that day and I know exactly what I'm getting vs waiting for weeks and hoping the quality is reasonable. I see parallels here.

I am curious. I suspect strains will be more accurately labeled and that could be a big plus. Right now, I’m pretty dubious if they are being truthful what they are selling.

But, in Colorado the illegal weed had a higher THC content. It wouldn’t surprise me if Canada’s legal weed also has a lower THC than illegal weed. We’ll wait and see but I am predicting government will eventually place regulations on strength and what is allowed.

[bat119]

Trudough says Oct. 17 will be the day another 4 months to set up shop

[Soulcousin]

Originally Posted by bat119

Trudough says Oct. 17 will be the day another 4 months to set up shop

Happy Birthday to me!!

[Red Bullets]

Hey Alberta farmers... Wouldn't it be nice if pot legalization could make you rich? You could be "sittin' there on that sack of seeds" and just a grinnin'. Think about this...

Because commercial medical marijuana operations and the upcoming legal market will be for "seedless" marijuana buds/flowers... home growers are still going to pay big dollars for seeds to grow at home. Until the some home growers can maybe produce their own seeds.

I just looked at an online marijuana seed selling site and a single marijuana seed is worth 5 to 15 bucks. Ya... I said 5 to 15 bucks for one seed.

Now let's figure, chewin' on a stem whilst stretched out on this sack of seeds.....

20,000 to 27,000 seeds per pound.
44 pounds in a bushel. 30 bushels per acre.

Well I figured it out roughly and... at $10.00 per seed (averaged out of 5 to 15 dollars per seed price) that works out to a little over 2.6 billion dollars per acre. Lets's say only 25% of the seeds are viable and marketable..that leaves 66 million dollars.

Wouldn't it be nice to only plant one acre one time and retire....

[Ranets]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Oh jeebus is that a complete " the sky is falling" post or what?
Who cares anyway , it is not going to change anything in the real world anymore than booze has changed things
Cat

Exactly

[mooseknuckle]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

The problem will be price, the government is planning on selling at 8 dollars a gram (low end, could be 10 dollars a gram) which is $3625.00 a pound. One can buy a pound right now for $900.00 if they know the right people. The big corporations can't compete with the hippie with little overhead costs.

X2 i pay $800 lb.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Trochu

That will be somewhat offset by the quality of that pound though, no? I've been to several of these facilities and they seem to be pretty high end. It wouldn't surprise me if the quality of the big guys is 2x to 3x times better than the $900/lb. Not that the price is justified alone, but combined with higher quality and convenience, I think the majority of the fly by night crowd will disappear.

I just bought a Magpul Armourers Wrench. It was expensive, 4-5 times some of those on eBay, but I walked into the shop and got it that day and I know exactly what I'm getting vs waiting for weeks and hoping the quality is reasonable. I see parallels here.

Quality will be a big part for sure, on the same token a fella can spend $2000 a pound for top of the line bud. Don’t forget that it was the underground industry that made the majority of the strains that the new monopoly will be growing.

Don’t get me wrong, I support legalization. I just agree with Mark Emery in that this is more like prohibition 2.0.

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/col...t-legalization

[rena0040]

Organized crime quit weed long ago, opioids are easier to manufacture, distribute and make more money.
It's no coincidence that fentanyl became popular right around when trudeau starting using legal weed as an election promise.
Why would drug dealers want competition from the government, they diversified and now high school kids will have easier access to fentanyl than weed. Personally, I'd rather my kids rebel by smoking weed than opioids.
I'd rather we go the portugal route and make everything legal
I think society made a couple mistakes long ago with alcohol and tabacco, neither of which have benefited society in any way and now we're gonna do it again.

[RBI]

Originally Posted by bat119

Trudough says Oct. 17 will be the day another 4 months to set up shop

Ya , but I wonder about how many have taken the gamble to have shops ready thinking July 1st was to be the legal date

And will be paying rent for a shop all ready to go ( minus product ) and more importantly ....paying customers !

Won`t be surprised to know that some had ever last cent that they owned into new store and will not survive 3 1/2 months with no income .

Possible that there could be some brand new never been used stores go up for sale .

[Arty]

Do you really think 'legalization' of pot is really about pandering to voters, or providing otherwise unavailable painkillers to cancer patients? Really?

If your intention is to make certain groups in your country [even more] pacified, non-aggressive, slow, and accepting of being manipulated, what better way than to get them stoned?

Of course the negative side-effects could be even worse than drugging everybody with oxytocin: (starting at 48:30, and 49:50)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmxhFnXK8zk

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Arty

Do you really think 'legalization' of pot is really about pandering to voters, or providing otherwise unavailable painkillers to cancer patients? Really?

If your intention is to make certain groups in your country [even more] pacified, non-aggressive, slow, and accepting of being manipulated, what better way than to get them stoned?

Of course the negative side-effects could be even worse than drugging everybody with oxytocin: (starting at 48:30, and 49:50)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmxhFnXK8zk

The problem with your theory is that not every Tom Dick and Jane does that crap,has ever done that crap and has absolutely no intention to do that crap fir kicks .
Not everybody in this world is a fool
Cat

[Arty]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

[...]
Not everybody in this world is a fool
Cat

Thank god for that.

But if a weapon becomes available which gives you a better chance to manipulate or put a liability in its place, would you not use that together with any current ones if it was presented to you as a nearly free gift?