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I am pro-vaccination. Everyone in the family is up to date. What I don't get though is the argument from the various health boards that if a kid isn't vaccinated we are all at risk. How? We're vaccinated.
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As noted, there are people who for actual medical reasons cannot be immunized, be it youth or old age, medical condition or those with negative reactions to the vaccines (allergy, unique biological composition that prevents the vaccine from working on them at all, etc). This number is quite small but the people remain vulnerable. When everyone else who can be is vaccinated these people will very rarely cross paths with someone carrying one of these contagious diseases, but when there are people who refuse to be vaccinated then there are more carriers running around spreading the disease.
Compare it to a restaurant where the chef, wait staff, dishwasher and bartenders all wash their hands and strive to maintain good sanitation practices but the busperson is coughing on the silverware.
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Fear porn central.
Conservatives going into liberal mode shouting down all descent like rabid sjws complete with projected Insults!
I love these $#!+shows!
I don't care what anyone decides is in their own children's best interest,and I am thankful every day that I don't have any children myself, I couldn't fathom other people telling me what's right or wrong or how to raise my young.
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Clearly you couldn’t or just don’t want to comprehend what I wrote. I never questioned your proof or the study. Middle of cabin fever season and this thread will only go 1 direction. Good luck. I’ll stay away
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No worries. I was commented on the numerous threads complaining about threads they don’t like to read. It happens a lot. I was not assuming you were thinking one way or another.
For the most part I stopped reading threads that trigger me.
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03-06-2019, 10:11 AM
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Fear porn central.
Conservatives going into liberal mode shouting down all descent like rabid sjws complete with projected Insults!
I love these $#!+shows!
I don't care what anyone decides is in their own children's best interest,and I am thankful every day that I don't have any children myself, I couldn't fathom other people telling me what's right or wrong or how to raise my young.
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Considering that you leap head first and swim into the deep end of every conspiracy theory in existence, most of us know where to file your thoughts and feelings on politics and science. You may have a point on occasion but it gets lost when so many ignore you based on your well-established pattern of posting so much conspiracy bunk. You know as well as I do that you hold back posting a lot of things that you’d really like to because you don’t want to get banned. Remember the story of the boy who cried ‘Wolf’.
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Considering that you leap head first and swim into the deep end of every conspiracy theory in existence, most of us know where to file your thoughts and feelings on politics and science. You may have a point on occasion but it gets lost when so many ignore you based on your well-established pattern of posting so much conspiracy bunk. You know as well as I do that you hold back posting a lot of things that you’d really like to because you don’t want to get banned. Remember the story of the boy who cried ‘Wolf’.
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You know where I file my thoughts!
Classic!
Psychological projections from an online psychologist.
I'm just pointing out established repeating patterns.
Have a good day!
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Considering that you leap head first and swim into the deep end of every conspiracy theory in existence, most of us know where to file your thoughts and feelings on politics and science. You may have a point on occasion but it gets lost when so many ignore you based on your well-established pattern of posting so much conspiracy bunk. You know as well as I do that you hold back posting a lot of things that you’d really like to because you don’t want to get banned. Remember the story of the boy who cried ‘Wolf’.
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A big old thumbs up on this one 
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Fear porn central.
Conservatives going into liberal mode shouting down all descent like rabid sjws complete with projected Insults!
I love these $#!+shows!
I don't care what anyone decides is in their own children's best interest,and I am thankful every day that I don't have any children myself, I couldn't fathom other people telling me what's right or wrong or how to raise my young.
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I fir one am very surprised that you have not posted some sort of YouTube link yet as is your almost automatic habit .
That seems to be where you get most of your factual information
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I am pro-vaccination. Everyone in the family is up to date. What I don't get though is the argument from the various health boards that if a kid isn't vaccinated we are all at risk. How? We're vaccinated.
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This is a pretty common misunderstanding but the explanation is pretty simple.
The vaccine doesn't make you immune in the sense that you can't be infected ever, what it does is train your immune system to fight the disease. So consider a scenario where someone's immune system is compromised, it's not uncommon. When my father in law was undergoing chemo treatments and bone marrow transplants for leukemia his immune system was basically useless, if he was exposed to someone spreading measles it would have killed him.
There's a simple analogy; If I were to get into a boxing ring with Mike Tyson I'd be killed, that's our immune system at full strength. Break both his legs and tie one arm behind his back then maybe I have a chance.
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03-06-2019, 02:38 PM
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Now why would a real ground breaking study coming out to settle false information be trolling versus very relevant info for folks that didn’t see it?
When one makes assumptions on intentions of helping others one doesn’t do justice to the positive side of posting information.
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I am going to leave this video link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Jwj-kByi8
Please reply AFTER you have watched this video and tell me vaccines do not cause autism.
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Vaccines do not cause autism.
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"The vaccine sucked the soul out of her body"
JFC what garbage. Vaccines do not cause autism.
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Think of the money they could have saved, could have just asked you guys! 
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My God, you're right...it's on the internet...Utube no less...it must be right.
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I am not an anti vax'r by any stretch of the imagination, I had my kids vaccinated, and would do so again. But I can understand the angst of parents on the other side. The entire issue is rooted in fear, the anti's are afraid of the perceived side effects, the pro's are afraid of the disease, hence the strong feelings on both sides. Totally understandable. As for the "science" we have seem many cases where science has been wrong. Off the top of my head, thalidomide was safe, cocaine was great for whatever ailed you, smoking didn't cause cancer and was a great relaxer, you get the picture. Parents should have the final say, if you want it for your kids, get it, if not, don't, but be ready to live with the consequences.
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So here is the problem with your post and logic.
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1. It is anecdotal. BTW... you got ANY way to verify the truth of YouTubed annecdotals...? Please look up the word annecdotal.
2. Even IF the vaccines caused the problem... it’s because that lot was supposed to be recalled..... should all cars need to be banned because Pintos we’re designed poorly in the ‘70’s.....? Take your time on that one. Bit of an illogical leap there bub.
You NEED to understand the difference between anecdotal evidence (what your neighbor says is fact) vs scientifically PEER REVIEWED conclusions. (PleAse feel free to take some time to understand those concepts).
Yes Piker...... science does not create truths... it creates ‘our best most reliable expert scrutinized conclusion so far...’
I’m gonna go with sciences conclusion vs numpty YouTube poster........ I like to play the odds.
And yea...... I’ll agree with the beginning part.... if you consciously decide to not vaccinate your kid, and your kid infects MY kid with a fatal or debilitating disease because may daughter is on chemo therapy and has a compromised immune system..... then ya.... I get to send you to jail for criminal negligence.
Your right to choose negatively impacts my kids rights..... how the HELL is that fair?!?!
Your rights end where my daughters begin.... John Stuart Mills.
Ps.... and Willy
It would make your world more fun if you had the opportunity to care for a kid. Even for a little bit. Trust me. 
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We all have disorders, diseases, whatever may be. They all became present the same day we drank a glass of water. I guess we shouldn't drink water...get the point?
Statistics courses should be mandatory...
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I am not an anti vax'r by any stretch of the imagination, I had my kids vaccinated, and would do so again. But I can understand the angst of parents on the other side. The entire issue is rooted in fear, the anti's are afraid of the perceived side effects, the pro's are afraid of the disease, hence the strong feelings on both sides. Totally understandable. As for the "science" we have seem many cases where science has been wrong. Off the top of my head, thalidomide was safe, cocaine was great for whatever ailed you, smoking didn't cause cancer and was a great relaxer, you get the picture. Parents should have the final say, if you want it for your kids, get it, if not, don't, but be ready to live with the consequences.
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In the old, pre vac days, polio killed or crippled kids, measles and small pox killed them and mumps made boys sterile as well. Vaccination is one of the major reasons for our low child mortality Should be no argument about whether to do it or not. The study that claimed a link between vaccinations and autism was exposed as fraudulent and the doctor responsible barred from practice years ago, yet people still insist on clinging to it. 
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As noted, there are people who for actual medical reasons cannot be immunized, be it youth or old age, medical condition or those with negative reactions to the vaccines (allergy, unique biological composition that prevents the vaccine from working on them at all, etc). This number is quite small but the people remain vulnerable. When everyone else who can be is vaccinated these people will very rarely cross paths with someone carrying one of these contagious diseases, but when there are people who refuse to be vaccinated then there are more carriers running around spreading the disease.
Compare it to a restaurant where the chef, wait staff, dishwasher and bartenders all wash their hands and strive to maintain good sanitation practices but the busperson is coughing on the silverware.
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Wrong. But thanx for posting.
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This is a pretty common misunderstanding but the explanation is pretty simple.
The vaccine doesn't make you immune in the sense that you can't be infected ever, what it does is train your immune system to fight the disease. So consider a scenario where someone's immune system is compromised, it's not uncommon. When my father in law was undergoing chemo treatments and bone marrow transplants for leukemia his immune system was basically useless, if he was exposed to someone spreading measles it would have killed him.
There's a simple analogy; If I were to get into a boxing ring with Mike Tyson I'd be killed, that's our immune system at full strength. Break both his legs and tie one arm behind his back then maybe I have a chance.
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Not even close, thanx for posting.
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Rotflmao
Vaccines don’t cause autism.
Contact true medical experts. Youtube is great for repairing a dryer. Not for medical advice.
Did you read the study?
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People need to know that a significant portion of information on the internet is false.
Hence youtube and Facebook should never be a legitimate source of serious information on its own without the credible check with real experts...not internet experts.
With all the issues around Russia and others massive number of fake accounts should of been a huge eye opener.
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People need to know that a significant portion of information on the internet is false.
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So doesn't that comment alone disqualify the study?
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Wrong. But thanx for posting.
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Oh, please, please, please enlighten us with the truth!
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So doesn't that comment alone disqualify the study?
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Did you not see where Sundancefisher states 'a significant portion of information'?
You don't see the difference from something published by a respected educational/research institute and 'well some guy on Youtube says.'?
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So doesn't that comment alone disqualify the study?
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In ah, discussions, such as this, it's typically just the others guys source of information that is suspect.
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Just asking for a friend,
So climate science studies are all whack but vaccine studies are all legit and should never to be questioned?
I wonder if any parents suspect something is up with vaccination but already had it done to their children and want to make sure that the playing field is level...
Just so it's clear the
"CRAZIES"
Believe the delivery medium that the vaccine is suspended in causes the issues,not the vaccine itself.
I love topics that bring out the passion in people, it's much more Interesting than the boring echo chambers!
Bessie I'm tool old to start now, besides can "someone Ike you" imagine the horror of "someeone like me" raising a child in this world...I can't even have my own opinion...how am I supposed to raise a child?
I would fight nation's of men to protect your children if I had to.
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I'm thinking this is a near perfect time to segue into contrails.
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