Charged language

[CNP]

I get the use of adjectives. Without them, a clear understanding of what is being described would not be possible. But language like "atmospheric river" used to describe heavy rainfall is a little over the top isn't it? How about "bomb cyclone"?

Language like this is used to sell stories. It can cause emotional distress amongst those who are susceptible to it. I don't care if it comes from climate activists, bonafide meteorologists, journalists, or ?, I don't buy into using charged language.

[huntinstuff]

It allows media a spin when used by them

Rain is rain. Its been doing that for 5 billion years. Sometimes there is lots, sometimes there isnt. We live on a planet. Things change. Doesnt mean we changed it.

Like describing a knife used in a murder. Most times media says its a hunting knife. Hunting is used wrongly as an adjective to associate hunting with murder. It is a clever tactic, but smart people see past that.

"Shots rang out"

"Racially motivated"

All used to illicit an inaccurate bias.

Yet they use calming or softer language too.
instead of rape, we use sexual assault.

Deaf is hearing impaired.

Poor is socially disadvantaged.

Social engineering at its best.

We do it too.

I dont "harvest" a deer. I killed a deer. I didnt "process" it, i butchered it.

By our definition, Khadr was a child. Well, so was Rittenhouse...no one in media says a pedophile tried to kill a child with a skateboard tho....

[DoePolicyAnalyst]

Originally Posted by CNP

I get the use of adjectives. Without them, a clear understanding of what is being described would not be possible. But language like "atmospheric river" used to describe heavy rainfall is a little over the top isn't it? How about "bomb cyclone"?

Language like this is used to sell stories. It can cause emotional distress amongst those who are susceptible to it. I don't care if it comes from climate activists, bonafide meteorologists, journalists, or ?, I don't buy into using charged language.

Pretty much. According to a Global News article from 2020, the term was specifically chosen by climate scientists because it can be applied 'globally' (Read: they can use a new term over and over, creating a stronger narrative and associating the new term to climate change, as it is much more difficult to use language already in use for this same purpose) and they even created a hurricane-style numbering system to describe how intense the 'ARs' are (though I have not seen this used for the current situation in BC...)

From the same article: "Just like other “newly” termed weather phenomena like the Polar Vortex or Bomb Cyclone, Atmospheric Rivers are becoming more prominent — and their impact more significant — as our climate changes." https://globalnews.ca/news/6489579/w...spheric-river/

Except, the old term that was used until last year (it seems...) - "Pineapple Express" were so common, it's difficult to search just the weather phenomenon due to movies and businesses capitalizing on the popularity/familiarity of the term. But sure, atmospheric rivers must be getting more 'prominent' as our climate changes...

[AlbertanGP]

Originally Posted by CNP

I get the use of adjectives. Without them, a clear understanding of what is being described would not be possible. But language like "atmospheric river" used to describe heavy rainfall is a little over the top isn't it? How about "bomb cyclone"?

Not when you have an agenda to sell.

So they pump out a lake in B.C. to use as farmland. They then build a bunch of dykes to keep the area from flooding. The government ignores several recent reports (I believe they themselves commissioned) that the system is a disaster waiting to happen. Along comes November, the month when B.C. receives the most rain (I find this odd but apparently it is) and everything floods. Doesn't seem that odd really. But is the government going to take responsibility? Of course not. So they invent some new term and throw it in the catch bin of climate change. Problem solved.

[Twisted Canuck]

That is why our PM didn't ban semi automatic rifles. Instead he banned military grade assault style weapons. The ones designed with one purpose, to kill the most people in the shortest amount of time.

Whoever controls the language controls the narrative, and can draw the correct viceral response to make sure people have the correct groupthink. Manipulating language has been around for a long time. And it still works great.

[DirtShooter]

Media buzz words for natural weather.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by CNP

I get the use of adjectives. Without them, a clear understanding of what is being described would not be possible. But language like "atmospheric river" used to describe heavy rainfall is a little over the top isn't it? How about "bomb cyclone"?

Language like this is used to sell stories. It can cause emotional distress amongst those who are susceptible to it. I don't care if it comes from climate activists, bonafide meteorologists, journalists, or ?, I don't buy into using charged language.

They used to call it the pineapple express....not dramatic enough, does not incite fear.

BW

[MyAlberta]

'Atmospheric river', I quite like it. Conveys the concept with simple language. Jealous maybe?

[The Elkster]

My biggest problem with these new names is how quickly they propagate worldwide and what that infers about the media machinery. There is clearly a collusion of interests being used to push these terms and manipulate perceptions. IMO the implications of this kind of mass manipulation is disturbing. Where does it stop? Between media conglomerates and the amplification of their narrative via social media we have a lot of brainwashed people walking around.

I'm personally trying to encourage people to question all MSM by methodically pointing out certain creative verbiage and conflicting messages. Point out how opinion pieces are being sold as "news". That goes for both right and left wing media. Too many people still just take what they are fed via headlines and it is not leading us down a good path as these people do vote.

With the increase in censorship its getting increasingly hard to get good independent unbias news. Well pretty much impossible at this point. Best one can do is read the whole gamut of news from right to left and then do a lot of deductive reasoning. Ignore opinion pieces! Ignore any article with the title "here is xxxx and here is what you should think" or "here is xxx and what you need to know", "here is XXX and why you should be scared shatless".

Facts are very much like statistics. They can be selectively cherry picked to sell pretty much any story anyone wants to tell.

[MyAlberta]

Originally Posted by The Elkster

My biggest problem with these new names is how quickly they propagate worldwide and what that infers about the media machinery. There is clearly a collusion of interests being used to push these terms and manipulate perceptions. IMO the implications of this kind of mass manipulation is disturbing. Where does it stop? Between media conglomerates and the amplification of their narrative via social media we have a lot of brainwashed people walking around.

I'm personally trying to encourage people to question all MSM by methodically pointing out certain creative verbiage and conflicting messages. Point out how opinion pieces are being sold as "news". That goes for both right and left wing media. Too many people still just take what they are fed via headlines and it is not leading us down a good path as these people do vote.

With the increase in censorship its getting increasingly hard to get good independent unbias news. Well pretty much impossible at this point. Best one can do is read the whole gamut of news from right to left and then do a lot of deductive reasoning. Ignore opinion pieces! Ignore any article with the title "here is xxxx and here is what you should think" or "here is xxx and what you need to know", "here is XXX and why you should be scared shatless".

Facts are very much like statistics. They can be selectively cherry picked to sell pretty much any story anyone wants to tell.

Just think, If you could direct that passion towards something you could actually influence, rather than wasting it on something you cant.

[The Elkster]

Originally Posted by MyAlberta

Just think, If you could direct that passion towards something you could actually influence, rather than wasting it on something you cant.

You can very much influence how one gathers and views information. Some will listen and some won't. Sheeple will always exist. But its important that we try to maintain a decent number of truly free thinkers... thinkers that the media + governments are hellbent on destroying to be replaced with compliant unquestioning plebs.

[DoePolicyAnalyst]

Originally Posted by MyAlberta

Just think, If you could direct that passion towards something you could actually influence, rather than wasting it on something you cant.

I doubt even Google could come up with a better example of irony than this post - well done.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by MyAlberta

'Atmospheric river', I quite like it. Conveys the concept with simple language. Jealous maybe?

It conveys nothing. What is your atmospheric river; an atmospheric Mississippi or atmospheric Souris? Can you point out the atmospheric riverbank? How about the atmospheric nesting grounds? Atmospheric rapids? Anything really? No, its just nonsense pushing us to Communism. Takers and socialists love this stuff.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by MyAlberta

Just think, If you could direct that passion towards something you could actually influence, rather than wasting it on something you cant.

Trying to educate the masses is a waste of time?

[MyAlberta]

Originally Posted by DoePolicyAnalyst

I doubt even Google could come up with a better example of irony than this post - well done.

Had my coffee so all good.

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by DoePolicyAnalyst

Pretty much. According to a Global News article from 2020, the term was specifically chosen by climate scientists because it can be applied 'globally' (Read: they can use a new term over and over, creating a stronger narrative and associating the new term to climate change, as it is much more difficult to use language already in use for this same purpose) and they even created a hurricane-style numbering system to describe how intense the 'ARs' are (though I have not seen this used for the current situation in BC...)

From the same article: "Just like other “newly” termed weather phenomena like the Polar Vortex or Bomb Cyclone, Atmospheric Rivers are becoming more prominent — and their impact more significant — as our climate changes." https://globalnews.ca/news/6489579/w...spheric-river/

Except, the old term that was used until last year (it seems...) - "Pineapple Express" were so common, it's difficult to search just the weather phenomenon due to movies and businesses capitalizing on the popularity/familiarity of the term. But sure, atmospheric rivers must be getting more 'prominent' as our climate changes...

The Jet Stream is an an "Atmospheric River". It often carries with it bad weather but without it, there'd be no good weather.
The west coast has been needing rain for some time. Now there's too much in one place at one time. With good comes some bad. Its weather.
Anyone who lives on a flood plain can't say they didn't see it coming.

[MyAlberta]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Trying to educate the masses is a waste of time?

Just to clarify, I like the descriptive nature of the term itself, not necessarily its use in supporting any particular narrative.

[CNP]

Originally Posted by MyAlberta

'Atmospheric river', I quite like it. Conveys the concept with simple language. Jealous maybe?

Jealous of what may I ask?

[sk270]

Originally Posted by CNP

I get the use of adjectives. Without them, a clear understanding of what is being described would not be possible. But language like "atmospheric river" used to describe heavy rainfall is a little over the top isn't it?
I don't buy into using charged language.

Originally Posted by DoePolicyAnalyst

According to a Global News article from 2020, the term was specifically chosen by climate scientists because it can be applied 'globally' (Read: they can use a new term over and over, creating a stronger narrative and associating the new term to climate change, as it is much more difficult to use language already in use for this same purpose)

Except, the old term that was used until last year (it seems...) - "Pineapple Express" were so common, it's difficult to search just the weather phenomenon due to movies and businesses capitalizing on the popularity/familiarity of the term.

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

Media buzz words for natural weather.

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

No, its just nonsense pushing us to Communism. Takers and socialists love this stuff.

The term "atmospheric river" was first used in 1992, as far as I can tell, by scientists describing meteorological phenomena. I agree that the media have suddenly adopted this term in order to generate interest, clicks, sales or what-have-you.

It is not a buzz word. Instead, it is a term used by experts in their fields.

The term has nothing to do with socialism or communism. Come on now!

"Pineapple Express" may apply in Canada, but it is hardly the best descriptor in other parts of the world. This is the reason that experts in many fields prefer precise language instead of local usage. For example, a pickerel in Saskatchewan is a walleye elsewhere.

I do agree the media choose charged words for their own reasons. However, that may be what is necessary sometimes to get people paying attention. The first concerns with the death rates of Indigenous children in residential schools were raised over 100 years ago by Dr. Bryce and many times since then. Suddenly, in 2021, people are paying attention. They ignored the Truth and Reconciliation Commission but paid attention to media terms like "mass graves". Education is difficult.

[AlbertanGP]

Originally Posted by The Elkster

You can very much influence how one gathers and views information. Some will listen and some won't. Sheeple will always exist. But its important that we try to maintain a decent number of truly free thinkers... thinkers that the media + governments are hellbent on destroying to be replaced with compliant unquestioning plebs.

You do realize you're trying to rationalize with a sheeple right?

[pikergolf]

Maybe understand that it describes more than a rain. Sheesh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_river

[Bushrat]

Then there is the "Heat Dome" we had last summer.

[Dynamic]

https://youtu.be/vuEQixrBKCc

I’ll just leave this here.

[MyAlberta]

Originally Posted by CNP

Jealous of what may I ask?

That one side seems to have capitalized on turning it into a hot button, which I understand is the issue, rather than the succinctness of the phrase itself. I could be completely wrong, which wouldn't be unusual.

[sk270]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

https://youtu.be/vuEQixrBKCc

I’ll just leave this here.

Are you seriously suggesting that "atmospheric river" is a euphemism? For what? It is a meteorological term for a recognized phenomenon.

I kind of agree with Carlin but I think he reaches a bit far for some of his examples.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by sk270

The term has nothing to do with socialism or communism. Come on now!

"Pineapple Express" may apply in Canada, but it is hardly the best descriptor in other parts of the world. This is the reason that experts in many fields prefer precise language instead of local usage. For example, a pickerel in Saskatchewan is a walleye elsewhere.

I disagree. Climate alarmism is all about wealth transfer, and one government control. In otherwise socialism and communism. They have figured out sensationalism on Facebook draw in more gullible believers than rationale ever could. Grew up on southern Sask and saw many wind storms. 3ish years ago all of a sudden southern Sask now experiences “plow winds”. Never had plow winds before but in 3 years plow winds have really been popping up. Better raise the carbon tax (socialism. Does nothing for the environment, just transfers wealth).

Grew up in Sask, from To in lake down to Rafferty dam I never heard anyone use the term pickerel unless they were referring to a pickerel rig.

[Red Bullets]

Alphabet alchemy. Scary stuff.

Mixing the letters of the alphabet together makes words that cast very strong notions and spells. Why else would we call making words spelling?

[sk270]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Grew up in Sask, from To in lake down to Rafferty dam I never heard anyone use the term pickerel unless they were referring to a pickerel rig.

When I grew up everybody I knew from Long Lake (Last Mountain now) to La Ronge and Nemeiben called them pickerel. I found "walleye" in the magazines but the guys me and my dad fished with didn't usually use that term. I agree that most people use walleye now except for some of us old guys.

[JustBen]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

They used to call it the pineapple express....not dramatic enough, does not incite fear.

BW

I identify as a pineapple. The term "pineapple express" offends me. Now we have atmospheric rivers.

You're welcome.

[MyAlberta]

Originally Posted by sk270

When I grew up everybody I knew from Long Lake (Last Mountain now) to La Ronge and Nemeiben called them pickerel. I found "walleye" in the magazines but the guys me and my dad fished with didn't usually use that term. I agree that most people use walleye now except for some of us old guys.

and we fished the pickeral runs up the Puskwakau River. Wasnt till I moved to Alberta that I adopted Walleye.