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11-06-2011, 08:09 AM
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F&W doing a little hunting of their own
Myself, a good friend and his son were out yesterday looking for a whitetail for his son. Whitetails were few and far between but saw about 7 different bull moose including this monster 150 yards off the road. Unfortunately it was a full blown decoy F&W set up to entice someone to perhaps shoot from the road. Decoy came complete with two officers in a truck half a mile away on a lease road, not to mention the two sets of human tracks into the feild where the decoy was set up.
We stopped to get a better look at this guy and F&W started to come down. When they realized we were just looking (and figured out we knew it was a decoy) they pulled back into the lease road.
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11-06-2011, 08:15 AM
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They had a mule deer on the Burnstick Lake road a couple years ago. I heard a guy put an arrow into it before F&W got there  Apparently the decoys get shot at more than one would think 
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11-06-2011, 08:16 AM
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I hope you didn't just warn some potential poachers to watch out for a decoy and prevent them from doing what they would normally do.
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11-06-2011, 08:20 AM
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I can just imagine the entertainment that the officers would get watching some people's reactions when they see the decoy.
Just one question though,was the decoy in a place where it would be legal to shoot if a person moved off of the road before shooting?
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11-06-2011, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by duffy4
I hope you didn't just warn some potential poachers to watch out for a decoy and prevent them from doing what they would normally do.
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I don't think so.
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11-06-2011, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by duffy4
I hope you didn't just warn some potential poachers to watch out for a decoy and prevent them from doing what they would normally do.
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Originally Posted by chinchaga07
Myself, a good friend and his son were out yesterday looking for a whitetail for his son. Whitetails were few and far between but saw about 7 different bull moose including this monster 150 yards off the road. Unfortunately it was a full blown decoy F&W set up to entice someone to perhaps shoot from the road. Decoy came complete with two officers in a truck half a mile away on a lease road, not to mention the two sets of human tracks into the feild where the decoy was set up.
We stopped to get a better look at this guy and F&W started to come down. When they realized we were just looking (and figured out we knew it was a decoy) they pulled back into the lease road.
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Like a speed trap, I doubt F&W would set up at the same location 2 days in a row.
I hope they have many more of these decoys, and I hope they catch several more 'hunters' in the act. The type of person that hops out of a truck to blast away at any animal is probably the same type of person that blasts away at a noise or a colour without considering the backstop or what is in the way.
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11-06-2011, 08:55 AM
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I didn't know it was illegal to shoot a decoy...learn something everyday.
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11-06-2011, 08:57 AM
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I didn't know it was illegal to shoot a decoy...learn something everyday.
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LOL....it is if you are shooting at it from a road or on private property...
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Craig that was a joke right!
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11-06-2011, 09:00 AM
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LOL....it is if you are shooting at it from a road or on private property...
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Ahh, got it now.
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11-06-2011, 09:02 AM
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Craig that was a joke right!
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Yes, it was.
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11-06-2011, 09:03 AM
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Ahh, got it now.
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I didn't know it was illegal to shoot a decoy...learn something everyday.
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They catch a lot of people that shoot from the road or from their vehicles,which is illegal. However, if they set up in a location where it is legal to hunt, and the person has a valid license, and he is clear of the road allowance, there isn't much that they can do if he shoots their decoy.
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11-06-2011, 09:10 AM
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[QUOTE=duffy4;1147936]I hope you didn't just warn some potential poachers to watch out for a decoy and prevent them from doing what they would normally do.[/QUOTE]
isn't that the point?
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11-06-2011, 09:14 AM
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They had a mule deer on the Burnstick Lake road a couple years ago. I heard a guy put an arrow into it before F&W got there Apparently the decoys get shot at more than one would think |
They had their moose set up on the Coalcamp road, a while back and had problems with oil field workers trying to chase it back in the bush, so the Natives wouldn't shoot it. 
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11-06-2011, 09:15 AM
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I hope you didn't just warn some potential poachers to watch out for a decoy and prevent them from doing what they would normally do.
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Isn't that what it's supposed to do ? 
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11-06-2011, 09:22 AM
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ln a court of law they cant charge you for shooting an animal from the road because in this case it was not an animal but a decoy , all you will be charged with is discharging a firearm from the road , and as a forum member mentioned , we BLAST from the road and shoot with grace if we walk in , but we still kill 
Most decoys are set up to catch guys shooting after legal light anyway.
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11-06-2011, 09:29 AM
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ln a court of law they cant charge you for shooting an animal from the road because in this case it was not an animal but a decoy , all you will be charged with is discharging a firearm from the road , and as a forum member mentioned , we BLAST from the road and shoot with grace if we walk in , but we still kill
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Incorrect. Under the Wildlife Act, decoys are also defined as wildlife.
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11-06-2011, 09:29 AM
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Most decoys are set up to catch guys shooting after legal light anyway.
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X2....you are very right.
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Incorrect. Under the Wildlife Act, decoys are also defined as wildlife.
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I know a guy who shot the burntstick muledeer decoy off the road and no muledeer tag or draw in cort all he got charged with was shooting from the road because he never shot a real deer.
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11-06-2011, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimboy
ln a court of law they cant charge you for shooting an animal from the road because in this case it was not an animal but a decoy , all you will be charged with is discharging a firearm from the road , and as a forum member mentioned , we BLAST from the road and shoot with grace if we walk in , but we still kill
Most decoys are set up to catch guys shooting after legal light anyway. |
WRONG! It has long been accepted by the courts in Canada and the U.S. that anyone who would shoot a decoy would also shoot a live animal. ERGO, any violation that could apply to poaching the live animal can apply to shooting at the decoy.
They are set any time of day or night. If the action is mid-afternoon in a complaint area, then they are set up in mid-afternoon.
The best thing about this whole decoy program is how often they are seen in places and at times where no actual decoys are set up. Yet people swear up and down that the critter they saw or didn't dare shoot (illegally) was a decoy.
It was alluded to in a sense in an earlier post on broadcasting the location of the decoy. Even if it is perceived that there is a decoy in an area and poaching is limited due to that perception, then the decoy program is doing its job!
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11-06-2011, 09:44 AM
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I know a guy who shot the burntstick muledeer decoy off the road and no muledeer tag or draw in cort all he got charged with was shooting from the road because he never shot a real deer.
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I have a feeling you don't know the whole story to the particular story you are describing, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Regardles, below is the sections in the Wildlife Act that makes decoys wildlife:
(6) Where
(a) a person has the intent to hunt, and believes or appears to
believe that the person is hunting,
(b) what the person is purporting to hunt is actually a
representation of a wildlife animal that has been set out by
a wildlife officer or wildlife guardian, and
(c) having regard to the time when, the location where and
any other relevant circumstances under which the activity
takes place, the activity would, if that representation were
a real wildlife animal of the kind represented, constitute
an act of hunting that would be an offence against a
hunting provision of this Act,
then the person is deemed for the purposes of this Act to be hunting
such a wildlife animal and is guilty of an offence against that
provision.
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Originally Posted by Sledder1
I have a feeling you don't know the whole story to the particular story you are describing, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Regardles, below is the sections in the Wildlife Act that makes decoys wildlife:
(6) Where
(a) a person has the intent to hunt, and believes or appears to
believe that the person is hunting,
(b) what the person is purporting to hunt is actually a
representation of a wildlife animal that has been set out by
a wildlife officer or wildlife guardian, and
(c) having regard to the time when, the location where and
any other relevant circumstances under which the activity
takes place, the activity would, if that representation were
a real wildlife animal of the kind represented, constitute
an act of hunting that would be an offence against a
hunting provision of this Act,
then the person is deemed for the purposes of this Act to be hunting
such a wildlife animal and is guilty of an offence against that
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I Have a feeling ***** ***************************** try to tell me what I do and don't know. I know that he was charged with and what got dropped in court I worked the The Tard that shot it for 2 years.
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One thing is that maybe they COULD have charged him with that but chose not too...so technically you BOTH could be right. Might have only charged him from shooting from the road because that was all they thought would stick.
Just for fun go sit in court for a day or 2 and see how much "bargaining" goes on.....guys get off of certain things all the time or plead guilty to different things....
Heck, if you take the time you can go to certain courts and they will reduce your speeding ticket AND give you no demerits....if you have the time to spend. How do I know this?....I have first hand knowledge and have done it.
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I Have a feeling **** ***** ***** ***** try to tell me what I do and don't know. I know that he was charged with and what got dropped in court I worked the The Tard that shot it for 2 years.
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That's funny!
My wifes grandpa shot one in Saskatchewan a few years back. Got a fine, lost his gun and couldn't hunt for 2 years... He actually told the FW officer he knew it was a decoy and was just checking to see if his gun was still on!
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That's funny!
My wifes grandpa shot one in Saskatchewan a few years back. Got a fine, lost his gun and couldn't hunt for 2 years... He actually told the FW officer he knew it was a decoy and was just checking to see if his gun was still on!
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LOL... Now that is a good one....
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11-06-2011, 10:30 AM
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I hope you didn't just warn some potential poachers to watch out for a decoy and prevent them from doing what they would normally do.
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Come on! You must know that there are no poachers among the forum members! 
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11-06-2011, 10:33 AM
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Isn't that what it's supposed to do ?
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Perhaps.
You know I hear there are decoy stings on almost every road out there so you shady guys had better not shoot at anything where it would break a law to do so.
There that should keep the poaching down a lot.
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I am guilty... I poached 2 eggs this morning for my toast!!!
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