Random Camping fees Done Deal

[Moosetalker]

https://cochranenow.com/articles/ran...longer-be-free

Looks like its a done deal for Fees starting June 1 2021.

Just another tax grab the AB Gov claim the fee revenue will go into conservation... Doubtful just more lies

[Smoky buck]

Well only time will tell if it does anything besides collect money from the honest

I am not a supporter personally

[slough shark]

$30 a year per adult, if it actually goes into enforcement I’m ok with it but there likely will be next to nothing showing for this so I’m not. If we see them hire some additional f&w for the foothills/mountains shortly I’ll gladly eat my words but I doubt it.

[Big pete]

It is not yet a done deal bill 64 is not passed

[Moosetalker]

In the news release they announced they had already made plans to hire another 20 Conservation officers and 50 additional parks and sundry staff

In my opinion the additional staff will not be enough to monitor half of the proposed green area.

So in essence the 20 new officers that should have been added to the ranks to enforce laws. Will instead become camp wardens.

[hilt134]

Originally Posted by Moosetalker

In the news release they announced they had already made plans to hire another 20 Conservation officers and 50 additional parks and sundry staff

In my opinion the additional staff will not be enough to monitor half of the proposed green area.

So in essence the 20 new officers that should have been added to the ranks to enforce laws. Will instead become camp wardens.

There’s already adds up for provincial recreation officials? Or some such nonsense. Probably means another branch and uniform.

Where is the conservative side of our government?? I also have no faith that this money will in anyway go to conservation

[lyallpeder]

Originally Posted by Moosetalker

In the news release they announced they had already made plans to hire another 20 Conservation officers and 50 additional parks and sundry staff

In my opinion the additional staff will not be enough to monitor half of the proposed green area.

So in essence the 20 new officers that should have been added to the ranks to enforce laws. Will instead become camp wardens.

I wonder if they hired 20 less seasonal COs and 50 less seasonal parks staff last year so now they will be back to traditional staffing.

[Moosetalker]

Funny thing the NDP have jumped on board to disagree with implementing this...

Not the idea just the timing because of money constraints due to Covid induced income reductions.
No doubt they would have implemented something similar if they were in the drivers seat.

My hope is if this goes through. I end up eating my words and they start ticketing the offenders.

For the last 25 years or so I have random camped I suspect I have hauled near a ton of nonburnable refuse to the dump. including 3 large bags of old torn vapor barrier left on a pole frame.

I Wonder if the receipts and fuel are applicable to a discount for the pass?

[CNP]

Eastern slopes only. I live on the E slopes and welcome this.
Doesn't apply to a high mountain sheep camp as far as I can understand
It applies to all the random camp sites that you can drive your mobile tenement (just joking guys) up to.
All the random campsites on the E slopes turn into a pig sty after a summer of mayhem.....starting on 24 May and ending on Labour Day. The gov't has already invested heavily on random camp sites (staging areas) in the SW by putting in parking areas, public washrooms and commercial garbage containers for random campers Time to recoup some of my tax dollars here.

Government of AB information is here: https://www.alberta.ca/public-lands-camping-pass.aspx

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by slough shark

$30 a year per adult, if it actually goes into enforcement I’m ok with it but there likely will be next to nothing showing for this so I’m not. If we see them hire some additional f&w for the foothills/mountains shortly I’ll gladly eat my words but I doubt it.

It says in the article that they have hired 20 new CO’s
A extra one specifically for the ghost area

I think this is a good idea
Makes people, just a touch, more accountable

[hunterngather]

I wouldn't have, to but would pay the fee in the hope the money would actually be put to good use.

I camp in my rig along he FTR 3-4 times a year.

I doubt the messy slobs that are part of the problem will be compliant though.

End of the day though just another tax.

[Map Maker]

Another article states
“The province said an online survey that included the public and stakeholder groups found the majority of Albertans generally support the concept of user-based fees, if used to support sustainable recreation. ”

Nope. Majority of Alberta Outdoorsmen do not support the concept of user fees.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=396787

I’ll send out a couple emails to reporters to let them know of the public poll here.

[ssyd]

First Kenney sells the Eastern Slopes to foreign mining companies then he charges locals for recreational use. Gotta pay for his health and education cuts somehow!

[GENINC]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

Another article states
“The province said an online survey that included the public and stakeholder groups found the majority of Albertans generally support the concept of user-based fees, if used to support sustainable recreation. ”

Nope. Majority of Alberta Outdoorsmen do not support the concept of user fees.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=396787

I’ll send out a couple emails to reporters to let them know of the public poll here.

Lol "Majority" of Alberta Outdoorsmen with a 200 people sample size.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

Nope. Majority of Alberta Outdoorsmen do not support the concept of user fees.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=396787

I’ll send out a couple emails to reporters to let them know of the public poll here.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh! Good luck with that!

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

Another article states
“The province said an online survey that included the public and stakeholder groups found the majority of Albertans generally support the concept of user-based fees, if used to support sustainable recreation. ”

Nope. Majority of Alberta Outdoorsmen do not support the concept of user fees.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=396787

I’ll send out a couple emails to reporters to let them know of the public poll here.

You think this message board is a snap shot of the average Albertan?

[hilt134]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

It says in the article that they have hired 20 new CO’s
A extra one specifically for the ghost area

I think this is a good idea
Makes people, just a touch, more accountable

I think it could be a good idea if there was any sort of guarantee that they will make it into the camping zones. I hope I’m proved wrong but I think the entrance of the random camping areas will be monitored a little and the stocked trout ponds will see double the enforcement

[Wes_G]

I will be the dessenting view here. I believe that its long past the time this should have happened. While crown land is for all to use, it is also for all to abuse and there is plenty of that that goes on. Especially with all of thee new outdoorsmen. Last year we were out trying to get a camp site and there were hundreds of units out in places that typically only held a dozen or so on a busy weekend in the past. As long as there is actually more enforcement of the morons, this is a good thing.

[skidderman]

I don't care about the 30 bucks but I highly doubt it will make much if any difference.

[Red Bullets]

Travel light and walk softly. Wonder if it is considered camping if you have no tent and just sleep under the stars? Damn, I shouldn't have mentioned that. Now the gov't is going to charge a person to look at the stars.

Back in 1957 the government issued the first recreational fishing licenses as a way of monitoring how many anglers were fishing in the province. A license was one dollar. Now it's close to 30 bucks and depended on by government. This new fee is just like the fishing license ploy. I'd like to know how the gov't is going to enforce this with 100 million acres of crown land in the province.

[Cigarguy]

Originally Posted by Red Bullets

Travel light and walk softly. Wonder if it is considered camping if you have no tent and just sleep under the stars? Damn, I shouldn't have mentioned that. Now the gov't is going to charge a person to look at the stars.

Back in 1957 the government issued the first recreational fishing licenses as a way of monitoring how many anglers were fishing in the province. A license was one dollar. Now it's close to 30 bucks and depended on by government. This new fee is just like the fishing license ploy. I'd like to know how the gov't is going to enforce this with 100 million acres of crown land in the province.

I hear you and agree. Just another Pandora's box that is opened. Just another tax that will never go away and will only go up. For those that think that this will eliminate the garbage and the morons....not happening...ever.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

It says in the article that they have hired 20 new CO’s
A extra one specifically for the ghost area

I think this is a good idea
Makes people, just a touch, more accountable

this is a good thing!

[JohninAB]

Just another tax disguised as a fee that some will have to pay while others will not.

Only applies to the eastern slopes but will be coming to a spot near you soon.

[overhere]

Question is will anybody pay this?

[slough shark]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

It says in the article that they have hired 20 new CO’s
A extra one specifically for the ghost area

I think this is a good idea
Makes people, just a touch, more accountable

That’s good to see, hopefully the educate the newbies and punish the slobs, it’s always a good thing to see f&w around. Last year saw f&w and some fishery guys from Manitoba on the oldman river, they were quite friendly and I was glad to see them, it was a pretty busy weekend on the river so I’m guessing they had a lot of people to check.