Alberta as 51st US State

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

We can't leave confederation.

You know it, I do, everyone does except the clueless.


I agree with everything else you said though.

Originally Posted by hal53

Why can we not leave confederation???

Mark me down as clueless too I guess, as I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court layed out the path to secession very clearly. Nothing impossible about it at all. Difficulties and hurdles notwithstanding, not impossible.

It's one thing to say 'I don't personally want AB to separate, for the following reasons'....it's quite another to say that everybody who is a proponent of separation is an idiot, because they disagree with me.

Now, something being likely, as opposed to possible, those are two different questions. Secession is possible. I suspect it's not very likely because too many people are afraid of the unknown, and are comfortable, and would rather live with the status quo than take a risk that things could be better. But they will continue to bitch about the way things are, nonetheless.

[colvert]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Do you realize that many Alberta residents, and some companies have found employment in the USA in recent years? With our current economy, the ability to more easily work in the USA would benefit us more than them. As far as hunting and fishing, the reverse is also true, we could hunt and fish in the USA as American residents.

you can hunt and fish in the States as non resident same as hunting and fishing in BC, no difference...

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by hal53

Why can we not leave confederation???

All due respect, because you know I like you but I have typed out long drawn out replies with numerous reasons, not going to do it again.

I type it all out, and get, ok, or you are wrong.

it won't happen. Ever.

There is a better chance of a Conservative Government in power next week.

[colvert]

Originally Posted by hal53

Why can we not leave confederation???

Because it is a confederation and the other guys must agree

[geraldald]

Just to be clear rural Ontario didn't screw this country the 905 and 416 did. Toronto and the golden horseshoe took care of that. All the intellectuals and whiners who want things for nothing did. Remember "sunny ways" Well the sun has just gone in and we are now seeing how the spoiled brat handles things.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter

SOOOOOO....still waiting for a solution.....you throw out a lot of what if's and maybe's but never an Idea ???....... I will wait.....

and you will Wait cuz the turd is burying himself so next election he will be out....like I mentioned in a previous post outlining what must be done in order to become a state....also said good luck because the provinces citizens will not vote in favour of this....so we wait.

[claykuch]

Sounds great.

[Dewey Cox]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

All due respect, because you know I like you but I have typed out long drawn out replies with numerous reasons, not going to do it again.

I type it all out, and get, ok, or you are wrong.

it won't happen. Ever.

There is a better chance of a Conservative Government in power next week.

So, to summarize,
"With all due respect, I don't want to waste my time talking to people as clueless as you. But I will continue to post every page or so to remind you how clueless you are"

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

So, to summarize,
"With all due respect, I don't want to waste my time talking to people as clueless as you. But I will continue to post every page or so to remind you how clueless you are"

No, if I was replying to you I would have said something different.

Shove your ignorant comments back down your throat or up another of your own orifice if you so choose

[Dewey Cox]

Stay classy ken

[Bigjohn87]

For Alberta and the west to Survive, we have to leave.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by FishHunterPro

I wouldn’t be for it, more competition for jobs , fishing and hunting. It’s 330M people that if they really wanted could move here . Sounds terrible

Cause Montana is the most populous state in the Union?

If they wanted to move here in the first place, I'm sure we'd let them in.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

We can't leave confederation.

You know it, I do, everyone does except the clueless.

Somebody said that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!

Somebody scoffed: “Oh, you’ll never do that;
At least no one ever has done it;”
But he took off his coat and he took off his hat
And the first thing we knew he’d begun it.
With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
Without any doubting or quiddit,
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it.

There are thousands to tell you it cannot be done,
There are thousands to prophesy failure,
There are thousands to point out to you one by one,
The dangers that wait to assail you.
But just buckle in with a bit of a grin,
Just take off your coat and go to it;
Just start in to sing as you tackle the thing
That “cannot be done,” and you’ll do it.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Somebody said that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!

Somebody scoffed: “Oh, you’ll never do that;
At least no one ever has done it;”
But he took off his coat and he took off his hat
And the first thing we knew he’d begun it.
With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
Without any doubting or quiddit,
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it.

There are thousands to tell you it cannot be done,
There are thousands to prophesy failure,
There are thousands to point out to you one by one,
The dangers that wait to assail you.
But just buckle in with a bit of a grin,
Just take off your coat and go to it;
Just start in to sing as you tackle the thing
That “cannot be done,” and you’ll do it.

I dont recognize the song, maybe if you sing a few bars

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

Stay classy ken

I play the game to match the competition.

If you put up something stupid expect a similar reply.

Why should I be any different?

[Drewski Canuck]

Well,

It seems that Ottawa is facing one failure after another, and all of their own making. Billions have been lost to Canada, and there will be no Company to fill the void.

Now we will see how long it is before CGL throws in the towel and follows TECK in ditching Canada.

The financial hits just keep coming.

If you want people to leave Canada, no better motivation than seeing their financial future disappear, and knowing why & who did it to us.

People, for all their noble intentions, gasp for the last breath, fight for the last bit of bread, and struggle to get onto high ground in a flood.

Canada is a sinking ship. Only wish our Captain enjoys the ride to the bottom.

Drewski

[traderal]

Just keeps getting better down south. Bernie will have free health care, free college tuition, elimination of student debt, and now just announced free child care to age 4. Can't wait for him to announce free housing, free food and free transportation, but he's too busy right now praising Castro. He is confident the money is there and the rich will pay for it. Now all he needs is Hillary and AOC as running mates and we will have a Venezuela next door. All the companies that left Alberta will be adding dual turbos to their trucks to get back as fast as they can if this nut job ever gets in.
I'm sure the free child care will come with special classes for "comrade" training.
Meanwhile the media is portraying Trump as the communist sympathizer.
This must be a bad dream I'm having and I hope I wake up soon.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Well,

It seems that Ottawa is facing one failure after another, and all of their own making. Billions have been lost to Canada, and there will be no Company to fill the void.

Now we will see how long it is before CGL throws in the towel and follows TECK in ditching Canada.

The financial hits just keep coming.

If you want people to leave Canada, no better motivation than seeing their financial future disappear, and knowing why & who did it to us.

People, for all their noble intentions, gasp for the last breath, fight for the last bit of bread, and struggle to get onto high ground in a flood.

Canada is a sinking ship. Only wish our Captain enjoys the ride to the bottom.

Drewski

Our captain will find away to blame Harper for all of this. His coalition group of idiots are sipping champagne and high-fiving one another now that Alberta is nearly toast.

BW

[Talking moose]

If it meant not having Turdo at the helm for 4 more years, I’d go down to China and lick doorknobs for you guys and my country.

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by traderal

Just keeps getting better down south. Bernie will have free health care, free college tuition, elimination of student debt, and now just announced free child care to age 4. Can't wait for him to announce free housing, free food and free transportation, but he's too busy right now praising Castro. He is confident the money is there and the rich will pay for it. Now all he needs is Hillary and AOC as running mates and we will have a Venezuela next door. All the companies that left Alberta will be adding dual turbos to their trucks to get back as fast as they can if this nut job ever gets in.
I'm sure the free child care will come with special classes for "comrade" training.
Meanwhile the media is portraying Trump as the communist sympathizer.
This must be a bad dream I'm having and I hope I wake up soon.

Bernie Sanders will give Trump the best chance of getting re-elected.
The other democrats know it.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

Stay classy ken

You and Ken need to meet at a certain location after school is out for some good ol' bare knuckle gentle men's discussion...ohhh wait not allowed now a days...what was I thinking...we need dialogue.


Invite the turd for some "dialogue" discussion while you're at it please.

[vcmm]

"Nothing will change until Whitey starts using the same tactics. Then it will come to a head. We will see how bad this country really is then."
__________________

[Smoky buck]

If you support any form of separation or dead against it you have to see the number of people considering the option is increasing each day. Teck pulling out and these on going protests have likely spiked the numbers over the last few weeks

Those who think come next election the liberals are gone might not see that happen. I am really wondering if the public’s anger will result with a split. I would not even be surprised if the cons loose power next provincial election because of Kenny’s failure to get results

I think Canada is going to be a very unpredictable place do to frustration and anger

[elkhunter11]

Trudeau won't be happy until he turns Alberta into a large ghetto. The only question is whether the residents of Alberta are going to let themselves be treated like the Jews in 1930s Germany, or if they are going to resist.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

I think Canada is going to be a very unpredictable place do to frustration and anger

I think you're right.

If you follow the pattern of other countries that have fallen into the communist panacea, the predecessor is typically the fomentation of dissent and socioeconomic flare-ups.

There's also the concept of vilification of the "wealthy" etc. which we see a lot of nowadays - remember the last federal debates, how the Left kept pointing out how they want the big companies pay to address climate change etc.

Simply put, Divide and conquer. Then the big boot comes down and the population is trapped.

My thoughts on the topic: As good as it may sound for us to join the USA at this point, they also have their version of their socialist voting bloc. Wouldn't be so great for us is the USA got a US version of Trudeau as a President in the next election. I'm not convinced that we could stand on our own either; we'd be ripe for an invasion, and I'm not talking one by the USA.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Trudeau won't be happy until he turns Alberta into a large ghetto. The only question is whether the residents of Alberta are going to let themselves be treated like the Jews in 1930s Germany, or if they are going to resist.

elk your not even on the same playing field comparing the two....read what happened to the Jewish people...we here are just having a spat while enjoying our fancy coffee's ….the 1930's
https://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitiz...gd/before.html

This is not us as Canadians nor our government.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

elk your not even on the same playing field comparing the two....read what happened to the Jewish people...we here are just having a spat while enjoying our fancy coffee's ….the 1930's
https://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitiz...gd/before.html

This is not us as Canadians nor our government.

This is only the start, like Hitler , Trudeau wants to end freedom of speech, control the media, and disarm us. You have to remember that Hitler was elected, before he gave himself absolute power.

[huntinstuff]

The USSR thought they were impervious

New regime, big changes

Change like separation is messy. It isnt all fought with lawyers/politicians. It's actually war.

Alberta leaving would probably involve this.

I guess it all depends on how far citizens want to take this. What are you truly willing to do?

The men and women we have honoured on November 11 did it one way. And it worked. Do we still have those kind of men/women? Do we have enough of them?

I have serious doubts.

It seems in Canada that you dont need great hoards or manpower to get the point across.

What you need is small cells of determined people, a weak government, and a " pack sand" attitude.

I admire the FN ability to strangle the life out of the country. I hate them for it, but I admire their ability and resolve.

If others were as motivated, change would come.

I guess eventually, more and more people will have " nothing to lose and everything to gain" and actually take serious action. And while the perpetual hand wringers cling to their self centered beliefs, the country will fall into the hands of someone who will do something

What that "something" is will be anyones guess....

[zabbo]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I have a hell of a lot invested here.

Why should I throw it all away because of something I have no control over?

I have never been a 'fine I'm taking my soccer ball and going home' guy.

Or are you saying that anyone that doesn't like what I am assuming, is your favorite idea of WEXIT or some other bs does not align with your way of thinking, is wrong and should shut up?

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

We can't leave confederation.

You know it, I do, everyone does except the clueless.


I agree with everything else you said though.

We all have big investments here Ken. Anything from family, real estate, personal possessions and even sentimental feelings. I would never be in favor of any kind of deal that would mean relinquishing everything or anything I now have. As mentioned, the state of Alberta would have far more resources and freedom to support a medical system that works for all. Further, we would have a much bigger say in the legal system. Anything from longer prison sentences to capital punishment. Might actually be able to put a serious dent in the overall crime rate.

I have never met you, but you seem like a can do kind of guy. To simply state," We can't leave confederation", doesn't seem like a can do sort of comment. Would there be issues and problems? Damn right! Could they be overcome? We'll never know if we don't at least take a look. I have to wonder what would have happened if parizeau had garnered a 52% or maybe 55% yes vote in the qeeeeebeec referendum? I'm thinking he would have left confederation. No doubt he would have demanded the use of Canadian currency and passports, as well as retention of members of parliament in Ottawa and oh, by the way don't forget the equalization cheque! What is stopping Alberta from doing the same thing or some variation of it?

With the new developments regarding the Frontier Mine project, you can bet there will be more Albertan's willing to look at options. The chiefs around Ft. McKay have been left "IN SHOCK". Well blow me down. Never saw that coming. The turd managed to slither off the hook! Even with the money already invested in C.G.L., executives must be wondering if it's worth continuing. At least one of the hereditary chiefs has already said, "No pipeline! Not now, not ever!" With that kind of attitude, there isn't much to talk about. If these developments aren't bad enough, what are the current odds T.M.X. will be scuttled also? Indigenous peoples and climate protesters are far more emboldened and feeling very empowered after the last couple weeks.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

This is only the start, like Hitler , Trudeau wants to end freedom of speech, control the media, and disarm us. You have to remember that Hitler was elected, before he gave himself absolute power.

ya missed my point...no one is going to be subjected to what the Jewish people were...period.

Now the turd may separate us may not but that will be done if so over time and not by a mad man killing people...