Home heating and the carbon tax

[MountainTi]

Has anyone looked at a gas bill lately? In December I paid $5.23/GJ for natural gas. The Carbon tax was $2.10/GJ.
That's damn near 40%. What's automotive gas right now? 9%?
It's criminal. How much longer is this going to go on? If this happened in the US cities would be burned to the ground. Mind boggling to me even one person voted for that thing down east. Name change to Northern Montana sounds better every day.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Has anyone looked at a gas bill lately? In December I paid $5.23/GJ for natural gas. The Carbon tax was $2.10/GJ.
That's damn near 40%. What's automotive gas right now? 9%?
It's criminal. How much longer is this going to go on? If this happened in the US cities would be burned to the ground. Mind boggling to me even one person voted for that thing down east. Name change to Northern Montana sounds better every day.

Home equity tax, carbon tax, tighten the noose on pipelines and oil, expand the use of electric vehicles all causing the cost to increase dramatically.....and soon......you’ll be taxed out of your own home ownership indirectly thru these taxes .....and the great reset will have cleared the major hurdle out of the way..... private property ownership.

I’m surprised that most people haven’t foreseen what the globalist laurentian elites and their bought and paid for political party have in store for us and how they were going to achieve it.....cause face it, if you’re not mired in debt and despair with nothing to your name, you’d never buy into this plan to level us all to third world socialism and poverty where the “govt” takes care of you and makes all your choices for you, for your own good and the greater good.....just not in that order of priority.

[elkhunter11]

Home heating cost increases are only a small part of what the carbon tax costs us, it us driving up the cost of groceries, clothing, and every goods and service that we purchase.

[BlackHeart]

The other major hurdle is our ability to fight back or rebel. Hence the never ending ratcheting up of more restrictive gun controls. The pushing of woke ideals and cancel culture if you don’t take a knee and the slow elimination of free speech. We already have hate speech laws and islamaphobia laws and the human rights kangaroo courts.

Watch for what’s happening in the US to come here, where conservative patriotic views are considered domestic terror threats for FBI to pummel.

[JULIUS]

i want to get in on this conversation and the nonsense that somehow taxing Canadians on their carbon use will some how lead to a reduction on the environmental effect of humans on the planet. It is just too ridiculous to even think about given the impacts by countries like china and India that could care less. If they just took all Canadian workers money and used us a s slave labor ( don't think that please) we still could not buy the world out of its troubles until all countries get on board.

Or look closer at the number of Canadian cities dumping raw sewage and garbage into the ocean while they stand on their soapbox and scream about the dangers of carbon Emissions.

On a local note lets bring in new immigrants to the tune of 400,000 a year so that every 3 years or so we have a new city the size of Edmonton or the population of Manitoba or Sask. No damage to our local environment there. I guess Immigration does not effect our environmental footprint.

Why are first nations the self appointed environmental saviors of Canada not opposing these immigration numbers?

ok rant done

[Grizzly Adams1]

It's criminal.

The powers that be have become totally disconnected from those of us on the front lines.

Grizz

[Sooner]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Home heating cost increases are only a small part of what the carbon tax costs us, it us driving up the cost of groceries, clothing, and every goods and service that we purchase.

On Ched yesterday, one news clip said inflation is at a 30 yr high. Unfortunately, it aint stopping anytime soon. More than scary to think what we will be paying for the necessities soon. Won't be long and the gov will have us all holed up in our houses with no extra income to do anything.

[cody j]

Originally Posted by Sooner

On Ched yesterday, one news clip said inflation is at a 30 yr high. Unfortunately, it aint stopping anytime soon. More than scary to think what we will be paying for the necessities soon. Won't be long and the gov will have us all holed up in our houses with no extra income to do anything.

I believe they call it “building back better”

[OL_JR]

$277 for gas last month. 98ish dollars in gas charges @ 4.09 a gigajoule. $50 in carbon tax charges. Then all the "other" charges of course to top it off.

Should be criminal to put a premium on staying warm in this country. Unfortunately I think that it will have to get so much worse before it gets better. So expensive that even the most soulless climate crusaders stand up and say that this is ridiculous.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by cody j

I believe they call it “building back better”

Apparently, the Bank of Canada is looking at raising interest rates, a tool used historically to cool an over heated economy, not inflation brought on by shortages and social disruption.

Grizz

[The Cook]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

It's criminal.

The powers that be have become totally disconnected from those of us on the front lines.

Grizz

Hence "the Crime Minister" seems more fitting as time goes on.

[CNP]

My Dec bill identified "cost of gas" as $53. All of the other fees and taxes amounted to $98 for a total bill of $151. Yes the Fed Carbon Tax was 40% of the cost of gas

I despise Trudeau's "Price on Pollution" agenda. Making us feel guilty for living. It's really putting a "Price on Survival". We're paying a tax on "Basic Needs" i.e., a warm shelter, cooked food, hot water...........and we don't have an effective opposition.

From To Energy Used (GJ)
Nov 13 Nov 30 5.45
Nov 30 Dec 10 4.92
Energy Rate ($/GJ) Energy Charge ($)
5.45 x 5.328000 = 29.04
4.92 x 4.936000 = 24.29
Current Energy Charges
Administration Fee - Fixed 7.94
Cost of Gas - Variable 53.33
Sub-Total 61.27
GST 7.20
CURRENT ENERGY BILLING 68.47
Current Distributor Charges
Delivery Charge - Fixed 22.03
Delivery Charge - Variable 8.40
Rate Riders 18.55
Municipal Franchise Fee paid to Crowsnest Pass Municipality 11.59
Utility Deferral Adjustment-Gas 0.38
Federal Carbon Tax 21.80
Sub-Total 82.75
CURRENT DISTRIBUTOR BILLING 82.75
Total Charges for Site 0003014000770 151.22

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Sooner

On Ched yesterday, one news clip said inflation is at a 30 yr high. Unfortunately, it aint stopping anytime soon. More than scary to think what we will be paying for the necessities soon. Won't be long and the gov will have us all holed up in our houses with no extra income to do anything.

That is exactly what socialist governments want, they want total control over the citizens, they control your access to food, housing and most other things, and they disarm you, so you can't resist.

[6.5 shooter]

Yet it is amazing how many still support the NDP and Liberals? The Idea of FREE stuff just has them brainwashed. Much like FREE health care and other SACRIED cows. Ain't nothing FREE.

[mooseknuckle]

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[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by OL_JR

Should be criminal to put a premium on staying warm in this country. Unfortunately I think that it will have to get so much worse before it gets better. So expensive that even the most soulless climate crusaders stand up and say that this is ridiculous.

40% of the actual price of natural gas tacked on to monthly bills. In the name of what? Global warming? Oh wait, the modern moniker of Climate Change. Jesus. How high does it have to go before people have had enough? Double the commodity price? Mind boggling. What a weak country this has become....and that's homegrown talent. Sad to say, we have our fair share of it in Alberta even

[MK2750]

As long as the media is supporting government we are done for. Last night they went on about inflation but not one mention of the tax that is inflation as a result of socialism.

Climate change and extreme weather was cause #1. In fact it is the government's reaction to climate change that is causing the issues, ie the carbon tax and extreme regulation.

Reason #2 was the scamdemic of course. Again it is the government action of extreme lock downs and ridiculous spending that has pushed inflation to the brink.

Reason #3 was the supply chain issues. Not one mention of government mandates and an induced welfare state causing the problem just a footnote that it is happening all over the world.

Well it is not happening all over the world, we are rated near the worst.

The bad news, having lived through Trudeau 1.0, is the fix after we soon hit bottom. Those young selfie loving Liberals think that home ownership is difficult now, wait until interest rates hit double digits along with the new GST, HST 2.0.

[Chuck_Wagon]

I wonder why all the pro NDP'ers that are on this site are not explaining to us how fabulous and necessary this useless carbon tax ripoff is.
Come on, school us about how throwing money at the sun will save the earth.

[Roadgear]

People of Redmonton! Please explain why you love the high costs of living!!

[sk270]

Originally Posted by Chuck_Wagon

I wonder why all the pro NDP'ers that are on this site are not explaining to us how fabulous and necessary this useless carbon tax ripoff is.
Come on, school us about how throwing money at the sun will save the earth.

I have consistently voted conservative i.e. I am not pro NDP. However, in the last federal election even the Conservative Party was in favour of a carbon tax. That makes Conservative, Liberal and NDP parties in agreement that a carbon tax is the easiest measure to deal with climate change. Repeated polls show that a majority of Canadians and a minority of Albertans agree with that. And a minority of Saskatchewanians

As long as a majority of the people and the political parties favour carbon taxation there is nothing we can do about it.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by sk270

I have consistently voted conservative i.e. I am not pro NDP. However, in the last federal election even the Conservative Party was in favour of a carbon tax. That makes Conservative, Liberal and NDP parties in agreement that a carbon tax is the easiest measure to deal with climate change. Repeated polls show that a majority of Canadians and a minority of Albertans agree with that. And a minority of Saskatchewanians

As long as a majority of the people and the political parties favour carbon taxation there is nothing we can do about it.

If O'toole would have came out and said he would abolish the scam (carbon) tax, he would have lost votes. Just pandering. Not that he is a conservative anyways

[Ddawg]

This is from Dan McTeague , Canadians for Affordable energy.

Thanks to Justin Trudeau and the Liberal government’s never-ending climate change agenda, Canadians are looking forward to another year filled with expensive green policies and skyrocketing energy prices.
Largely to blame is Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax. Effective April 1st the tax will increase 25%, to $50/tonne from the current $40/tonne price.
While it plays out a little differently province by province, on balance it means even higher prices than what we’re already seeing for gasoline, diesel, natural gas, heating oil, electricity, groceries, and almost every consumer good.
And it doesn’t end there. In 2023 the carbon tax will start rising more quickly – by $15/tonne, until it gets to $170/tonne in 2030.
Canadians cannot afford this costly increase to the carbon tax, especially during a global pandemic that has resulted in significant blows to the Canadian economy.

I have not noticed any carbon tax on my power bill yet, I sure that will come, with all the power plants on natural gas.

Canadians need to wake up!

[Chuck_Wagon]

Anybody that cannot see that the carbon tax is a flat out scam and a lie is clueless.
It's about money only and cannot and will not do anything about the natural cyclic rate of climate.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by sk270

I have consistently voted conservative i.e. I am not pro NDP. However, in the last federal election even the Conservative Party was in favour of a carbon tax. That makes Conservative, Liberal and NDP parties in agreement that a carbon tax is the easiest measure to deal with climate change. Repeated polls show that a majority of Canadians and a minority of Albertans agree with that. And a minority of Saskatchewanians

As long as a majority of the people and the political parties favour carbon taxation there is nothing we can do about it.

I don’t believe the polls for one minute. I can get you a poll that shows 100% of Canadians reject it. Regardless of polls, how much carbon has been reduced by taxation? Do you keep your house cooler, do you go fishing less, do you visit people less (Covid not withstanding). Anyone that supports a carbon tax is crazy, and have totally bought into their indoctrination.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

If O'toole would have came out and said he would abolish the scam (carbon) tax, he would have lost votes. Just pandering. Not that he is a conservative anyways

Exactly, he went against his own party trying to buy left votes. A person doesn't have to be a genius to see what he was up to.

[obsessed1]

Sadly these issues will never be resolved politically..the only way for the population to come out victorious is the old fashioned way. The communist slide has started there has only ever been one way to stop it. There are too many who still hold the belief that they are actually doing something good. For our politicians it has never been about doing something good it has always been about one thing only...control...find a way for them to willingly hand you thier money, thier freedom, thier possessions...they have succeeded

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[sk270]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

I don’t believe the polls for one minute. I can get you a poll that shows 100% of Canadians reject it. Regardless of polls, how much carbon has been reduced by taxation? Do you keep your house cooler, do you go fishing less, do you visit people less (Covid not withstanding). Anyone that supports a carbon tax is crazy, and have totally bought into their indoctrination.

I don't know what methodology you would apply to get a sample of several hundred people in each province that would 100% reject carbon taxes. That's certainly not was found by Angus Reid, Mainstreet, Postmedia, Glacier Media, Abacus, etc. In fact, I expect their results motivated the Conservative Party to put a carbon tax in their election platform.

Why don't you believe the polls? I saw one by Angus Reid that says about 1/3 of Saskatchewan residents are worried about climate change and think that a carbon tax would be a start to address the issue. That matches up with the people I know around here. There might be a bit less than 1/3 but the poll is certainly believable based on people I know.

[Penner]

The Carbon Tax is there to save the environment. Trust our government they know better than any of us as to what is best for us. And if you don’t believe the government there is a Swedish teenager that will back them up.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sk270

I don't know what methodology you would apply to get a sample of several hundred people in each province that would 100% reject carbon taxes. That's certainly not was found by Angus Reid, Mainstreet, Postmedia, Glacier Media, Abacus, etc. In fact, I expect their results motivated the Conservative Party to put a carbon tax in their election platform.

Why don't you believe the polls? I saw one by Angus Reid that says about 1/3 of Saskatchewan residents are worried about climate change and think that a carbon tax would be a start to address the issue. That matches up with the people I know around here. There might be a bit less than 1/3 but the poll is certainly believable based on people I know.

Polls can be manipulated, it has been happening for years, ot all comrs down to who you ask, and how you ask the question. And I am from Saskatchewan and have a lot of relatives there, nowhere near 1/3 of them support a carbon tax, if you word the question carefully you might find 1/10 in favor of a carbon tax.
A carbon tax amounts to instant inflation on every good and service that you purchase, and that is all.

[sk270]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Polls can be manipulated, it has been happening for years, ot all comrs down to who you ask, and how you ask the question. And I am from Saskatchewan and have a lot of relatives there, nowhere near 1/3 of them support a carbon tax, if you word the question carefully you might find 1/10 in favor of a carbon tax.
A carbon tax amounts to instant inflation on every good and service that you purchase, and that is all.

I agree with your last statement and your first. However, the big name pollsters claim to work toward statistical validity. Do you have anything to contradict that assertion?

In any case, I certainly do know people who are in favour of the carbon tax and even more stringent methods of approaching climate change.

Perhaps the person to whom I was replying was exaggerating but he claimed he could conduct a poll and find 100% opposed.

My friends and relatives are probably about 70% opposed and 30% in favour of something being done, with the carbon tax being the current option. I haven't taken an actual poll but it's something we have discussed at family gatherings and other get-togethers.