Home heating and the carbon tax

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by sk270

I don't know what methodology you would apply to get a sample of several hundred people in each province that would 100% reject carbon taxes. That's certainly not was found by Angus Reid, Mainstreet, Postmedia, Glacier Media, Abacus, etc. In fact, I expect their results motivated the Conservative Party to put a carbon tax in their election platform.

Why don't you believe the polls? I saw one by Angus Reid that says about 1/3 of Saskatchewan residents are worried about climate change and think that a carbon tax would be a start to address the issue. That matches up with the people I know around here. There might be a bit less than 1/3 but the poll is certainly believable based on people I know.

Simple. “Do you support having money pulled from your bank account for the purposes of frivolous taxation? We will tell you it is a carbon levy and charge you GST on the lie that is the carbon levy. We will not actually use the money to help the environment. Nothing in the climate would be helped, but it will increase the size of an already bloated government, to insure less of your hard-earned wages can be spent by you. Do you support this? Are you really so daft to agree to this carbon levy?”

And after being a pollster for years we would know which respondents will and won’t sell a certain opinion. Remember pollsters are in it for cash too. If your polls don’t reflect your clients needs, you might not have clients in the future.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Simple. “Do you support having money pulled from your bank account for the purposes of frivolous taxation? We will tell you it is a carbon levy and charge you GST on the lie that is the carbon levy. We will not actually use the money to help the environment. Nothing in the climate would be helped, but it will increase the size of an already bloated government, to insure less of your hard-earned wages can be spent by you. Do you support this? Are you really so daft to agree to this carbon levy?”

And after being a pollster for years we would know which respondents will and won’t sell a certain opinion. Remember pollsters are in it for cash too. If your polls don’t reflect your clients needs, you might not have clients in the future.

And that is the key, knowing which people to ask, as is rural/urban, or university students, and how to word the questions to get the answers that you want. You can read the questions on many polls, and it's very obvious by the way the question is worded,that they want a certain answer, and they go as far as to not offer the option that many people taking the poll would normally select.

[barbless]

I'm in Calgary and just checked my bill. Electric not much diff, Gas charge has doubled, what ever the truck a rider rate is has also doubled (I will look it up), pretty much all city services have doubled, carbon tax doubled. The gas and carbon tax are the worst. The Canadian pawns and sheep will follow and lead the rest to finer pastures. The carbon tax to me is so the BIG PIGGIES at the top can feed at the money trough and help pay for all the free so called money and services. I don't know but the direction we are headed in is a disaster and bankrupt.

[sk270]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

And that is the key, knowing which people to ask, as is rural/urban, or university students, and how to word the questions to get the answers that you want. You can read the questions on many polls, and it's very obvious by the way the question is worded,that they want a certain answer, and they go as far as to not offer the option that many people taking the poll would normally select.

One of the Angus Reid polls asked:
Based on whatever you’ve seen or heard about the federal government’s plan, including in this survey, would you say you support or oppose it?
Strongly support
Moderately support
Moderately oppose
Strongly oppose

How does this question cause the respondents to answer in favour of carbon taxes?

[obsessed1]

My friends and relatives are probably about 70% opposed and 30% in favour of something being done, with the carbon tax being the current option. I haven't taken an actual poll but it's something we have discussed at family gatherings and other get-togethers.

If your friends and family actually believe a tax will change anything in the environment I'd suggest there's bigger problems than just agreeing with it. Un informed illogical people can agree with anything. Ask them at what point does it become not a good option? When it costs them 25% extra of every penny they make? Maybe 50% on top of current tax load?? Becausr even if the Gov took every penny every one of us made they still wouldn't fix the problem..

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[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sk270

One of the Angus Reid polls asked:
Based on whatever you’ve seen or heard about the federal government’s plan, including in this survey, would you say you support or oppose it?
Strongly support
Moderately support
Moderately oppose
Strongly oppose

How does this question cause the respondents to answer in favour of carbon taxes?

I didn't see that poll, then again being in Alberta, they likely avoided asking me. I did recently take part in an online survey, because I saw the link posted on this forum, and the questions were very carefully worded to produce the results that supported government policy. I ended up having to fll in the comments sections, because I didn't support any of the options listed.

[barbless]

And how many are being led around by their nose rings? Try that with a BULL you don't know Like a poll will say 100 people surveyed said in favor. Or was it 2 hundred surveyed and they picked the best out of 1 hundred for the purpose and cause to get the money from the ones that will pay the most support for their survey. As was mentioned before they are in it also for the money. No corruption involved. All on the up and up

[OL_JR]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

40% of the actual price of natural gas tacked on to monthly bills. In the name of what? Global warming? Oh wait, the modern moniker of Climate Change. Jesus. How high does it have to go before people have had enough? Double the commodity price? Mind boggling. What a weak country this has become....and that's homegrown talent. Sad to say, we have our fair share of it in Alberta even

How high it has to go exactly I'm not sure but we clearly aren't there yet as the woke are still begging for it up the you know where..

It is mind boggling for sure.

[lmtada]

Carbon tax, reminds me of tax without representation. Where, and how will tax reduce the carbon. How will this be measured? We need hard numbers. Men have gone to war regarding tax without representation.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by lmtada

Carbon tax, reminds me of tax without representation. Where, and how will tax reduce the carbon. How will this be measured? We need hard numbers. Men have gone to war regarding tax without representation.

Guessing you know the answer to that. And the bigger question....does the carbon need to be reduced?

[FellSwoop]

$170/tonne is $8.90/GJ, I can't wait. Natural gas is a great target for taxation, more western use so a wealth transfer to the east. Greens pressure the government to ensure that it is not a "transition " fuel. Same reason they are opposed to CCS.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Roadgear

People of Redmonton! Please explain why you love the high costs of living!!

Apartment dwellers don't pay for natural gas. They don't care. 1 meter for each block.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

Apartment dwellers don't pay for natural gas. They don't care. 1 meter for each block.

But the apartment building owner does pay for the gas, and when his costs go up, so does the rent. But that takes a year or two to happen, and then the renters just accuse the landlord of being greedy.

[urban rednek]

Originally Posted by FellSwoop

$170/tonne is $8.90/GJ, I can't wait. Natural gas is a great target for taxation, more western use so a wealth transfer to the east. Greens pressure the government to ensure that it is not a "transition " fuel. Same reason they are opposed to CCS.

Currently, our gas price is based on North American usage, just wait until the LNG facility in Kitimat is fully operational; overnight we will be forced to pay international rates for the gas to heat our homes. The same as happened with our oil.
Expect to see year round gas rates similar to the Fall of 2005 (>$11.00/ GJ), then add the $8.90/GJ Carbon Levy and GST.
As previously stated, it will affect the cost of everything we buy, inflation will run rampant. The Bank of Canada will have to increase the interest rate to slow down inflationary growth, which will cause people to loose their homes and the economy to stagnate due to loss of discretionary spending.
The well meaning progressives and the useful idiots won't know what is happening until it is too late, because they believed the poll results as provided by their government through the media.

We'll be ripe for the Great Socialist Reset.

Enjoy the decline.