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"I don't have an issue with the landowner confronting the sledders. They may indeed have trespassed. But hitting the guy without provocation while carrying a gun? No.
If you keep thinking like this you won't need any help at all voting...the right way come election time.  It's just common sense. 
"Pretend the alpaca lover is Somalian, and think of the ramifications"
And there it is folks, proof that there is no topic that can't be derailed into race or religion.
Who would have thunk that a sledding thread from Saskatchewan had anything to do with a Somalian diet? 
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03-24-2014, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sledhead71
Too much sun while you were away Ken ?
How would you feel if a couple young lads were on your property causing you issues ? Any issues really, theft, damage, threat ?
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Not nearly enough!!!
Not good, but would I risk criminal charges by threatening them with a loaded firearm? Awwwww hell no!
Would I defend myself? Sure, wouldn't we all if met with an aggressor?
But, and in getting back to my being away, I like going away. I work all year to do it once every year.
I love crossing the Border, ANY border without a problem, and I enjoy fully not ever having any sort of Criminal Record. THAT is what controls my emotions 99.99% of the time, knowing a stupid altercation could put a simple thing like an overseas holiday at risk.
They were kids on sleds riding on snow, not patched Hells Angels doing donuts in my shot trying to steal my prize alpacas. lol.
He went too far. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought..... 
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03-24-2014, 04:58 PM
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Typical hick solving all their "problems" with guns. Should be charged with assault.
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03-24-2014, 04:59 PM
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Maybe he could/should have charged them with trespassing on his I would assume posted land, but he went way too far. They should have not gone on his land.
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He can't charge them with trespassing as they weren't on his land. They didn't go on his land. He did leave his own property with his gun and went onto his neighbours property with it,, not sure of the laws on this, maybe someone else knows.
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03-24-2014, 05:00 PM
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03-24-2014, 05:02 PM
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Doesn't anyone read. He and the snowmobilers had their tiff on someone else's land.
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03-24-2014, 05:03 PM
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Doesn't anyone read. He and the snowmobilers had their tiff on someone else's land.
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but but but they might have been up to no good and thinking about stealing sumthin
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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03-24-2014, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by moosehunter3-0
Typical hick solving all their "problems" with guns. Should be charged with assault.
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The thing is, nobody else will solve it for him.
The part that bothers me here is the RCMP won't do a thing for you here. I have had issues in the past with trespassers I have had names, pictures and license plates and the mounties won't do a thing. They have bigger fish to fry, and while I get that.......what is a guy to do?
I suspect if he didn't have a gun, they would have blown by him and likely dusted him with snow for fun.
This fella went overboard, but I completely get his frustration.
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03-24-2014, 05:10 PM
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Bottom line the sledders were trespassing. Did they cause any damage. No. The 'tard with the gun, if he wanted to confront the sledders should have went and confronted them but leave the gun at home. The guy with the gun should be charged.
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03-24-2014, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette
Not nearly enough!!!
Not good, but would I risk criminal charges by threatening them with a loaded firearm? Awwwww hell no!
Would I defend myself? Sure, wouldn't we all if met with an aggressor?
But, and in getting back to my being away, I like going away. I work all year to do it once every year.
I love crossing the Border, ANY border without a problem, and I enjoy fully not ever having any sort of Criminal Record. THAT is what controls my emotions 99.99% of the time, knowing a stupid altercation could put a simple thing like an overseas holiday at risk.
They were kids on sleds riding on snow, not patched Hells Angels doing donuts in my shot trying to steal my prize alpacas. lol.
He went too far. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Words of the young fella...
"I got to this one spot and got stuck, got off my sled to start digging myself out," he said. "I turned around and realized there's a house there and I am on some guy's yard."
Looking at the snow conditions in the video, it would be assumed this guy was boon docking well off the established trail in order to get stuck. Realizing he is in some guys yard really shows the mentality of this clown..
"I got off my sled and in a fairly aggressive tone, said 'what the F are you doing?'" he said. "At that point, he slaps me in the side of the head. He was very, very upset and you couldn't even reason with him."
Both sledders engaged this man aggressively, swearing and dropping the "F" bombs like they were wrongfully done by... A swat in the helmet certainly has more entertainment value than anything..
On another note, shotty did not have a load chambered
Have to side with the land owner here...
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03-24-2014, 05:12 PM
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but but but they might have been up to no good and thinking about stealing sumthin |
Like an Alpaca.
I'd pay to see a couple of sledder's rustlin 'paca's.
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03-24-2014, 05:15 PM
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Have to side with the land owner here
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The landowner wasn't there. The guy with the gun wasn't the landowner any more than the sledders were.
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03-24-2014, 05:18 PM
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The landowner wasn't there. The guy with the gun wasn't the landowner any more than the sledders were.
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they weren't on his property just prior to the confrontation?
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03-24-2014, 05:19 PM
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Pretty safe bet the guy who was brandishing the shotgun will be charged. When you go looking for trouble...
The sled-necks should be charged as well, and I to, doubt calling the police would have done much for getting them charged.
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03-24-2014, 05:41 PM
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Does anyone know the fine for trespass in Sask?
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We don't have all the story here.
The land owner caught them in a pickup. At the end of this video there is a second vehicle sitting by the gates. This guy had time to round up a second set of hands, start his truck and chase these pukes down.
Me thinks that the guys on the sleds poked the dragon in some fashion.
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they weren't on his property just prior to the confrontation?
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They crossed his property and the confrontation took place on a neighbours property. I just googled where they said they were and where he lives. They lied and he didn't just pop next door, he went for a bit of a drive.
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03-24-2014, 05:59 PM
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All I see is intimidation with a firearm , that overrides the wrong the snowmobilers did by trespassing .
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03-24-2014, 06:13 PM
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I know what I would do.
If I got away without incident it would be straight to the RCMP with the video, asking the RCMP to pursue charges of uttering threats, common assault, assault with a weapon, pointing a firearm, use of firearm in commission of an offense, intimidation, unlawful confinement, threat of bodily harm, damage to personal property.
Then I would contact a Collection Agency and have them go after him for the damages to the snowmobile. (hood)
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I know I'd keep my rifle on hand for the collection guy as well, if he was on my land its game on, I have shot out the tires of a repeated trespasser, charged couldn't be pressed civil was awarded to me quite high. He did chase them to a neighbors he was out of line. Should have got their plate #
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I liked how the poor landowner said he carried the gun because he didn't know if he would be assaulted. Well, if you go up to people and slap them, you probably will get the crap punched out of you. Of course with wackadoodle carrying a gun, the snowmobiler didn't dare defend himself.
There's one gun owner who should have his PAL pulled for a good long time.
I don't have an issue with the landowner confronting the sledders. They may indeed have trespassed. But hitting the guy without provocation while carrying a gun? No.
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Originally Posted by BeeGuy
1) pull his PAL forever
2) charge him to the full extent the law permits.
Guys using rifles in such a manner should set the firearms community a gasp.
Pretend the alpaca lover is Somalian, and think of the ramifications.
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Gun owners like this give the RCMP and politicians all the ammo they need. I agree, strip him of his pal and any guns. This could have ended very badly for either party. Sledders should have known better but no reason to bring a gun into the situation.
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03-24-2014, 06:19 PM
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I know I'd keep my rifle on hand for the collection guy as well, if he was on my land its game on, I have shot out the tires of a repeated trespasser, charged couldn't be pressed civil was awarded to me quite high. He did chase them to a neighbors he was out of line. Should have got their plate #
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So you don't pay a bill intentionally, a Collection Agency sends someone out and you specifically have a rifle loaded for that?
Am I reading this correctly?
Are you pointing this threat directly at me knowing I am a 'collection guy'?
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette
So you don't pay a bill intentionally, a Collection Agency sends someone out and you specifically have a rifle loaded for that?
Am I reading this correctly?
Are you pointing this threat directly at me knowing I am a 'collection guy'?
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Your comment going after him for the hood damage prompted my retort. I have used agents in the past for logical and legal reasons to collect money owed to my company. This story hits me as it is almost identical, I had over a dozen calls to rcmp about trespassing on my land and the same guys shot at an elk on my elk farm. I took out their tires..they called a collection agent on me, lots of threats and attempts at physical intimidation...i won and the agent payed as well.
So when you make a comment like that no matter how good you are at your job expect a reaction. You wanted one by posting what you said?
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No wonder some of the ABA crowd find it so hard to become proficient with a spear, they are throwing them backwards.
The lack of feathers must confuse some of them
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03-24-2014, 06:29 PM
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I know I'd keep my rifle on hand for the collection guy as well, if he was on my land its game on, I have shot out the tires of a repeated trespasser, charged couldn't be pressed civil was awarded to me quite high. He did chase them to a neighbors he was out of line. Should have got their plate #
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So you shot out a guys tires and then the courts awarded you money? I think I am gonna throw the bs flag here. A good friend of mine who used to own land by south fork put a bullet through an engine of a quad after they cut his fence and were rutting up his land. They came back with the cops two days later and he was arrested and charged with a bunch of different offences, did 8 months in jail plus a huge fine plus weapons prohibition.
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How long til that shotgun is on the prohib list? 
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Your comment going after him for the hood damage prompted my retort. I have used agents in the past for logical and legal reasons to collect money owed to my company. This story hits me as it is almost identical, I had over a dozen calls to rcmp about trespassing on my land and the same guys shot at an elk on my elk farm. I took out their tires..they called a collection agent on me, lots of threats and attempts at physical intimidation...i won and the agent payed as well.
So when you make a comment like that no matter how good you are at your job expect a reaction. You wanted one by posting what you said?
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All the other inconsequntial fluff aside, you used them to your advantage, but when one comes for you there has to be a rifle involved?
Ok.
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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03-24-2014, 06:33 PM
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How long til that shotgun is on the prohib list? |
Lol you saw it was a 'black shotgun' too? 
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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Originally Posted by bhguy
I know I'd keep my rifle on hand for the collection guy as well, if he was on my land its game on, I have shot out the tires of a repeated trespasser, charged couldn't be pressed civil was awarded to me quite high. He did chase them to a neighbors he was out of line. Should have got their plate #
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What was the Docket # of the judgement?
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So you shot out a guys tires and then the courts awarded you money? I think I am gonna throw the bs flag here. A good friend of mine who used to own land by south fork put a bullet through an engine of a quad after they cut his fence and were rutting up his land. They came back with the cops two days later and he was arrested and charged with a bunch of different offences, did 8 months in jail plus a huge fine plus weapons prohibition.
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I got all legal costs and lost income...i also had a long documented,and photographed history of trespassing and poaching on our elk farm. As stated I was charged, dropped, as a constant thread was proved.
The guy should never have left his land with a gun, just a camera. The issue is that these guys are never charged or even usually warned...why should the guy have to patrol his land.
Hitting the sledder was very wrong, also he didn't in that instance need to kick the sled, I would have gone for the plates.
If the gun wasn't there he likley would have hit beat up or, and hopefully they would have raced by him
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No wonder some of the ABA crowd find it so hard to become proficient with a spear, they are throwing them backwards.
The lack of feathers must confuse some of them
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What was the Docket # of the judgement?
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I'd never post personal info on any site why would anyone ever do that?
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No wonder some of the ABA crowd find it so hard to become proficient with a spear, they are throwing them backwards.
The lack of feathers must confuse some of them
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I'd never post personal info on any site why would anyone ever do that?
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the courts are not personal.
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