Tax Revolt

[Bigwoodsman]

http://m.edmontonsun.com/2017/08/26/...volt-in-canada

Gunter makes a great argument for a country wide tax revolt. Over the last 25 years the Feds alone ignored Auditor General reports and recommendations only to fritter away 200 BILLION dollars. The a eage Canadian today spends more on taxes then on housing, food and clothing combined. Even the wealthiest are getting screwed over!

BW

[Dewey Cox]

Sounds great.
How do we go about this?


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[waterninja]

The way tax dollars are spent is whats revolting.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by waterninja

The way tax dollars are spent is whats revolting.

Yes sir agreed! All governments have a spending addiction. They sure don't lack for funds!

BW

[Twisted Canuck]

As always, Lorne Gunter nails it. I was texting my MP (Chris Warkentin) about this very issue just two days ago, I'm so angry and frustrated about it. He agrees, obviously, for all the good it's going to do.... The middle class, small business person like myself that the high minded (empty minded?) Trust Fund Silver Spoon PM, was supposed to help? Hahahahaha, lets stick it to them even harder!! I could just eat loonies and crap hot nickels....that's about what's left after I bleed taxes to pay for the profligate waste inefficient and bloated government and bureaucracy that we support. Sickening.

So, how do you go about the revolt? Torches and pitchforks and storm Parliament?

It's the fall of Rome all over again. Give the people a McGregor Mayweather circus to watch, and they won't even notice what is going on....

[lmtada]

This graph might help you.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Dewey Cox

Sounds great.
How do we go about this?


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I'm wondering what would happen if at the next election no one voted? Would all politicians effectiey be fired? None would be appointed by the electorate.

I realize this is not possible but it still makes me wonder.

There hasn't been a government in history that has managed revenues effectively there has always been waste. Governments govern to there own agenda with little regard for the constituents that put them in place. Oh they'll tell us different while picking our pockets.

A tax revolt would require a total overhaul of the CRA. The CRA has way to much power. It would take a leader with the gumption and desire to make the change. This leader would have to be someone who isn't interested in being a carrear politician or a lawyer. A leader for the best interest of the people and not a party agenda.

Taxes will always be necessary. Police services military health education will he needed. The waste includes the foreign aid handouts political pensions the Senate these are a few of the costs that need to be eliminated.

It will take a leader like no one we've ever seen in this country to tackle the CRA and put the control of government spending back in the hands of the electorate.

It has to be illegal for governments to run huge deficits while continuing to spend money on non essential expenses.

BW

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by lmtada

This graph might help you.

Help me have a myocardial infarction or hemorrhagic stroke maybe.....

[lmtada]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Help me have a myocardial infarction or hemorrhagic stroke maybe.....

One more. I advise to p/up life insurance asap. Or can I buy it on you?? Lol

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by lmtada

One more. I advise to p/up life insurance asap. Or can I buy it on you?? Lol

I have that book actually. My nose bled when I was reading it.

[lmtada]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

I have that book actually. My nose bled when I was reading it.

The book is by Candace Malcolm. "Generation Screwd". She has Trudeau in her sights.

It gets worse. Governments took six years to make a decision on tax change, is now being railroaded (implemented) by liberal government in 75 days. The liberals are out to hang commerce.

http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/08/27...irresponsible/

Here finance minister Bill Morneau tweet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Bill_Morn...31689928323072

[waterninja]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

I'm wondering what would happen if at the next election no one voted? Would all politicians effectiey be fired? None would be appointed by the electorate.

I realize this is not possible but it still makes me wonder.

There hasn't been a government in history that has managed revenues effectively there has always been waste. Governments govern to there own agenda with little regard for the constituents that put them in place. Oh they'll tell us different while picking our pockets.

A tax revolt would require a total overhaul of the CRA. The CRA has way to much power. It would take a leader with the gumption and desire to make the change. This leader would have to be someone who isn't interested in being a carrear politician or a lawyer. A leader for the best interest of the people and not a party agenda.

Taxes will always be necessary. Police services military health education will he needed. The waste includes the foreign aid handouts political pensions the Senate these are a few of the costs that need to be eliminated.

It will take a leader like no one we've ever seen in this country to tackle the CRA and put the control of government spending back in the hands of the electorate.

It has to be illegal for governments to run huge deficits while continuing to spend money on non essential expenses.

BW

Never a govt in history that managed revenues effectively? There was this one guy, named Ralph

[ReconWilly]

The quickest route to and the objective of communism is to eliminate the middle class.

It's not about raising everyone up to the highest standards of living, it's about reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator, have them be malnourished, under educated, and coerse them into group think hive mind mentality so to be easily gas lighted, manipulated and influenced into giving over personal sovereignty freedoms and individuality for the sake of safety.

They already gutted manufacturers, they wont allow us to use our own natural resources forcing over seas products on us, they are eliminating small businesses and they hold monopolies on everything including education and media.

Tax revolt sounds great, but the average Canadian seems to crave dependence.

[Jack Hardin]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

I'm wondering what would happen if at the next election no one voted? Would all politicians effectiey be fired? None would be appointed by the electorate.

I realize this is not possible but it still makes me wonder.

There hasn't been a government in history that has managed revenues effectively there has always been waste. Governments govern to there own agenda with little regard for the constituents that put them in place. Oh they'll tell us different while picking our pockets.

A tax revolt would require a total overhaul of the CRA. The CRA has way to much power. It would take a leader with the gumption and desire to make the change. This leader would have to be someone who isn't interested in being a carrear politician or a lawyer. A leader for the best interest of the people and not a party agenda.

Taxes will always be necessary. Police services military health education will he needed. The waste includes the foreign aid handouts political pensions the Senate these are a few of the costs that need to be eliminated.

It will take a leader like no one we've ever seen in this country to tackle the CRA and put the control of government spending back in the hands of the electorate.

It has to be illegal for governments to run huge deficits while continuing to spend money on non essential expenses.

BW

Ralph passed a law making it illegal to have a deficit. Stelmach cancelled it. The law must be made by the Gov'mt, therefore, the Gov'mt can also cancel it.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Jack Hardin

Ralph passed a law making it illegal to have a deficit. Stelmach cancelled it. The law must be made by the Gov'mt, therefore, the Gov'mt can also cancel it.

And there lies the bull chit that we as citizens need to change. The elected need to understand that they are in place to serve the people not fleece them!

Our system sucks the big onion where by we pay the politician to screw us over!

BW

[lmtada]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

And there lies the bull chit that we as citizens need to change. The elected need to understand that they are in place to serve the people not fleece them!

Our system sucks the big onion where by we pay the politician to screw us over!

BW

Unfortunately Government rarely turn back. A revolution is really how you change. Ex. Venezuela. It's only way.
This will continue until the people have had enough. There is not enough anger yet. It will be soon. Give it another election. Then things will pick up.

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

And there lies the bull chit that we as citizens need to change. The elected need to understand that they are in place to serve the people not fleece them!

Our system sucks the big onion where by we pay the politician to screw us over!

BW

The elected are there to represent the real government to Canadians. The Governor General and Privy Council are the government. The rest are just window dressing.

[Travis44]

I'm in!

[lmtada]

This sums it up quite nicely

Dear Mr. Morneau,

I’m curious to know why you believe it’s in Canada’s best interest to discourage business and encourage socialism.

It is my opinion that your discussion paper proposing changes to the taxation of small businesses completely misrepresents the facts, and it’s hard for me to imagine what your objective is. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians have spent their entire working lives building this country, and yet under the banner of “fair” you set out to destroy their businesses, and ultimately, their retirement plans. In many cases you’re not simply changing the rules; you’re changing the entire game.

In your discussion paper you talk about what the government stands to gain from eliminating income splitting and increasing the tax rate on passive income within corporations, but nowhere do you quantify the cost. Have you and Mr. Trudeau thought about what the cost of your proposals will be?

We’ve heard from business owners all across Canada and regardless of the business, they all agree that higher taxes means higher costs. Higher costs that will ultimately be borne by consumers — it’s just that simple!

In the discussion paper, you use an example of neighbours who each earn $220,000 per year. Have you looked at the statistics? According to Statistics Canada less than 2.35 per cent of Canadians make $220,000 or more per year.

What you have failed to do is describe the difference between an employee and someone who’s taken a chance and gone into business for themselves.
You are trying to convince the Canadian public that all business people are rich and that they use all these tax loopholes to reduce or avoid. What you have failed to do is describe the difference between an employee and someone who’s taken a chance and gone into business for themselves.

In the discussion paper, on page 13 you introduce us to Jonah and Susan. Jonah has a private corporation and Susan is an employee. You state that Susan’s household pays $35,000 more income tax than Jonah’s, and that just isn’t fair.

I’ve taken the liberty to outline the differences between being a self-employed private business owner and employee. Let’s look at the job description for a private business owner:

Variable income not guaranteed
No job security or workplace accommodation
Must personally guarantee company/business debt
No Employment Insurance (EI) coverage
Canada Pension Plan (CPP) coverage at twice the legislated employee cost
Hours extremely variable (can vary from 0 to 90 hours per week). Must be willing to work additional 20 hours or more a week without notice. No overtime pay.
No paid holidays
No paid parental/maternity leave
No paid bereavement leave
No extended health, dental or insurance benefits
No employer matching retirement program
Statutory holidays will not be covered
Should you require additional employees for completing your work, you shall be personally liable for:
guaranteeing they have a steady and reliable minimum income
covering 58 per cent of their EI cost
covering 50 per cent of their CPP cost
meeting all statutory labour requirements for work hours, overtime hours and pay, holiday leave and pay, statutory holidays and parental/maternity leave.
accommodating them for any limitation preventing them from completing the work they are providing you
damages should you no longer require their assistance

Now let’s talk about Susan the employee. Let’s say she’s one of your deputy ministers. A federal deputy minister makes about $220,000 per year. What else would they be entitled to? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it looks something like this:

Employer’s pension contribution up to $25,000
Employee benefits $6,000
Employer CPP contributions $2,569
Employer EI contributions $1,170
Up to eight weeks of vacation (worth) $33,846
10 statutory holidays (worth) $8,461
Up to 15 sick days per year (worth) $12,692
All of these entitlements add up to $89,738.

Did I miss anything? I’m not sure if I should add anything for employer paid parties, food and drinks.

Whether it’s a physician or a plumber, it makes no difference. All businesses take risks.
It looks to me like the extra $35,000 that Susan is paying in income tax might not represent the full picture. When including the almost $90,000 in benefits that she is entitled to that a business owner is not, she is in a much better position than the example you used to justify your changes and might actually be better off than Jonah.

You can’t and shouldn’t be allowed to compare an employee with an employer. What makes Canada great is having individuals who are willing to put their financial lives on the line to start businesses and employ those who chose not to take the chance. Whether it’s a physician or a plumber, it makes no difference. All businesses take risks. What you’re proposing strikes directly at the heart of small business. If Canadians really understood what the facts were I don’t think they’d be inclined to support your proposal.

I ask, on behalf of all Canadians, kindly leave the current integrated tax system alone and honour the system that was put in place by your party 45 years ago.

[79ford]

The government is closing loopholes people have been taking advantage of. Classic example of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch.

[Twisted Canuck]

That letter is very well written and articulate, Imtada! I may need to cut and paste and borrow parts of it myself, if I have your permission. My letter that I was working on was shorter, involved much cursing and included words like 'rectal', 'sphincter', 'cluster'.....you get the picture. Your's will probably have better results. TC

[lmtada]

Go ahead. Quote is not mine. I am not that articulate.

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

That letter is very well written and articulate, Imtada! I may need to cut and paste and borrow parts of it myself, if I have your permission. My letter that I was working on was shorter, involved much cursing and included words like 'rectal', 'sphincter', 'cluster'.....you get the picture. Your's will probably have better results. TC

[lmtada]

Trudeau is throwing Morneau under the bus. This tax business is not selling. Trudeau going ahead. Risky move. Interesting take on how Justin, Pierre inherited there wealth. Just Look at Justin's Grandpa Charlie Trudeau, invested in 30 Gas stations in Montreal. Now kid wants to kill it all.


http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/09/22/embarrassing/


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[The Cook]

C'mon fellas, barbies and unicorns cost a whole lot of money.

[HalfBreed]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

I'm wondering what would happen if at the next election no one voted?

BW

This ALWAYS works for those who do.

No voice = No opinion.

ALWAYS vote.

One voice is stronger than none.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by HalfBreed

This ALWAYS works for those who do.

No voice = No opinion.

ALWAYS vote.

One voice is stronger than none.

I no one voted would the all be fired?

BW

[Twisted Canuck]

This tax plan is absolutely wonderful, in the 'Atlas Shrugged' kind of way....

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/...o-leave-manley

More investment money and the heart blood of a growing robust economy fleeing the Tax and Spend regime of the Liberals.

The hypocrites are starting to look a wee bit nervous too. When asked at a recent press conference if he was paying his 'fair share' of taxes, the Shiny Pony went on at length about how his personal finances were being handled by others since he became PM, and that they were being 'lawful' in what they paid....interesting that 'lawful' means small business owners who have incorporated are 'tax cheats', but for those silver spoon debutantes with family trusts to protect (offshore where necessary), lawful is 'ok'.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/kell...ook-so-nervous

Jesus wept.

[coastalhunter]

The problem they face is there's still lots of armed Canadian households. I'm talking ones that never bothered getting PAL, etc.

They gotta watch how far they push it. Only thing stopping them from full police state is an armed population. Look how it went for the jews.