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Old 08-26-2017, 07:40 PM
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So my buddy has never been waterfowl hunting and would like to go. He is a bow hunter and doesn't have his PAL. We go Grouse hunting and he is amazing with a bow but that obviously cant work with waterfowl.

My question is I have my PAL and own multiple shotguns can i take him with me and let him use a shotgun (With plug and steels) for waterfowl hunting? He has his bird licence and bow licence as well as hist hunter certification so can he hunt with me with a shotgun in hand if i am right next to him?

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Old 08-26-2017, 07:47 PM
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Old 08-26-2017, 08:07 PM
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That is surprising.
Because a PAL course is to teach gun safety.
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Old 08-26-2017, 08:08 PM
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Old 08-26-2017, 08:13 PM
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Yes, as long as you are always in a position to supervise.
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That is surprising.
Because a PAL course is to teach gun safety.
And......
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:10 AM
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That is surprising.
Because a PAL course is to teach gun safety.
There are other ways to learn gun safety without taking a six hour classroom course once on a Saturday.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:33 AM
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That is surprising.
Because a PAL course is to teach gun safety.
That is the official stance taken by the government, but some people are issued their PAL with no formal training, or testing of any kind. If this was really about safety, why would they let that happen?
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:45 AM
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Have a safety talk with him him to make sure he does not swing over youbin excitement . Just a thought
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Old 08-27-2017, 11:38 AM
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Old 08-27-2017, 03:58 PM
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Yes, as long as you are always in a position to supervise.
This. As long as you are in a direct position to supervise then there is no problem. It is really no different than taking someone without a PAL shooting. The only difference is they have to have a hunting license, migratory bird license and some more training would be a good thing.
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Old 08-27-2017, 05:34 PM
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Anytime that you take a youth hunting, this applies. And there are special youth tags. Therefore, PAL not required. But supervision is.
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Old 08-27-2017, 05:51 PM
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Anytime that you take a youth hunting, this applies. And there are special youth tags. Therefore, PAL not required. But supervision is.
Actually there is such a thing as a youth PAL.
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Actually there is such a thing as a youth PAL.
Except a youth (<18) can't legally hunt in Alberta without being accompanied by an adult.

The minors PAL only allows them to borrow dad's rifle or shotgun to drive out to farmer Joe's as long as Joe takes the lad out because dad is working late.

Or allow Jr to work at the local sports store at the gun counter.

Did this with the Pit Boss, pretty much useless for hunting, but it did help him at his first job.

Youth first-time hunters must be at least 12 years old to hunt under the authority of any hunting licence in Alberta. All hunters under the age of 16 years must have written permission from a parent or guardian to purchase hunting licences. Hunters who are 11 years old may apply in the draws for licences if they meet the above criteria, but they must be 12 years old anytime before or during the open season for that draw. They may not hunt until they are 12 years old. Note: As of 2007, hunters who are 12 or 13 years of age are no longer restricted to hunting big game with only a bow and arrow. To hunt with a firearm, hunters under 18 years of age must be accompanied by a parent, a legal guardian or by a person 18 years of age or older who has the written permission of the parent or legal guardian. If a youth turns 18 during the hunting season, they can continue to hunt using their valid licence.
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:39 PM
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Except a youth (<18) can't legally hunt in Alberta without being accompanied by an adult.

The minors PAL only allows them to borrow dad's rifle or shotgun to drive out to farmer Joe's as long as Joe takes the lad out because dad is working late.

Or allow Jr to work at the local sports store at the gun counter.

Did this with the Pit Boss, pretty much useless for hunting, but it did help him at his first job.
Accompanied by yes, but does the holder of a youth PAL still have to be within reach, so that the adult PAL holder can immediately take control of the firearm, or can the youth PAL holder be a few yards away in his own blind, or in his own treestand?
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Except a youth (<18) can't legally hunt in Alberta without being accompanied by an adult.
This isn't true.
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This isn't true.
If archery hunting yes they can be under 18 and hunt on their own, with a firearm they need to be 18, federal laws apply not provincial
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And......
He has a gun in his hands with no formal training.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:19 PM
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He has a gun in his hands with no formal training.
Oh no.
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This isn't true.
Since my reply was PAL oriented it is exactly correct.
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He has a gun in his hands with no formal training.
The law provides in this situation, it's described in the RCMP firearms centre website.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:49 PM
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Accompanied by yes, but does the holder of a youth PAL still have to be within reach, so that the adult PAL holder can immediately take control of the firearm, or can the youth PAL holder be a few yards away in his own blind, or in his own treestand?
Here's a legal definition of accompany.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/accompany

I'd say you'd have to be far closer than farther.......
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He has a gun in his hands with no formal training.
Just like hundreds of people that were issued a PAL with no formal training or testing. Are they any safer with a firearm because they have the PAL?
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Just like hundreds of people that were issued a PAL with no formal training or testing. Are they any safer with a firearm because they have the PAL?
Or to compare....people with drivers license that sure as heck aren't safe at all!

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Or to compare....people with drivers license that sure as heck aren't safe at all!

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Yep, makes me wonder how these people passed the driving test.
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There's nothing to discuss or argue about. This is crystal clear.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...etaire-eng.htm
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Old 08-28-2017, 12:09 PM
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[QUOTE=Jesse059;3611148]So my buddy has never been waterfowl hunting and would like to go. He is a bow hunter and doesn't have his PAL. We go Grouse hunting and he is amazing with a bow but that obviously cant work with waterfowl.


Jesse059 Let him try it with a bow. It has been done before. I have seen it and been in the field. In fact they made a TV show shooting waterfowl with nothing but a bow. Don't get me wrong you wont shoot a limit and you will miss lots but when you hit one the feeling is amazing and super rewarding. I think the rest of the guys on here have given enough imput on the legalities of the shotgun. Either way we all know your buddy will be hooked and will have a PAL for next waterfowl season !! best of luck to you in the field. Shoot often!!
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Here's a legal definition of accompany.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/accompany

I'd say you'd have to be far closer than farther.......
The law doesnt say accompany, it says direct and immediate supervision.

Hunting with a shotgun or rifle with no PAL is fine but I take that to mean at his shoulder. Not in a different blind, no pushing bush etc.
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Old 08-29-2017, 03:00 PM
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The law doesnt say accompany, it says direct and immediate supervision.

Hunting with a shotgun or rifle with no PAL is fine but I take that to mean at his shoulder. Not in a different blind, no pushing bush etc.
I was taught " within arms length" and "able to take immediate control of the firearm", as the definition of immediate supervision, when someone without a PAL is in possession of a firearm. That is a bit different than accompanying a youth hunter who holds a youth PAL.
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