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Old 03-24-2018, 09:57 AM
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Question here for those who know (I basically have done no research on the topic):

It sounds like Y2Y basically wants a national park like area with restricted access, but does aim to still allow fishing. Many of my best fishing experiences in the mountains and foothills have been in the national parks or other similar areas where access is restricted, leading to lower pressure. How will Y2Y be different and potentially worse for me?
Since fishing is currently allowed in the National Parks it will probably mean no change for you.

Selfish is as selfish does.
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Old 03-24-2018, 02:24 PM
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Since fishing is currently allowed in the National Parks it will probably mean no change for you.

Selfish is as selfish does.


I am not clear why you needed to resort to the selfish comment?
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:06 PM
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For all of the hunters who think that they are going to find a eutopian hunting paradise when all of these areas are closed to ATV's, you're going to be very disappointed. There are already several areas in Alberta that are off limits to ATV's and those areas, in my experience, have very low elk, moose, and deer populations. Those areas also see low numbers of hikers, campers, and hunters, so I'm not sure why the government thinks we need more protected space.

We already have the provincial parks, national parks, Willmore, White Goat, Siffluer, Blackstone, Wabiabi, Castle, etc that are off limits to ATV's and the bull trout, elk, moose and deer populations don't appear to be thriving in any of them.
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:16 PM
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I am not clear why you needed to resort to the selfish comment?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:51 PM
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I suppose it was inevitable.
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Old 03-24-2018, 11:24 PM
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Y2Y is bad news for Albertans. Recreation, hunting, industry are all in the crosshairs of Y2Y. They don’t care what your use of the land is. There’s is a single focus goal and if achieved your Alberta back yard wilderness will no longer be yours. You will have no say in your wilderness again.

They are like cancer.
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Old 03-25-2018, 10:19 AM
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Please do, all I've seen here on AO is opinion pieces and BS slippery slope conspiracy theories including Miskosky's.

Sometimes to achieve a long term goal you have to ally yourself with people and organizations that you don't necessarily 100% agree with. This is one of those times.
As requested:

A quote from Alpine Club of Canada below:

The proposed NSRP may potentially affect access for recreational use in the Bighorn Backcountry, where many of our Albertan section members practice low impact, self-propelled recreation. It may also affect access for other user groups who recreate in the Bighorn. At this time, the ACC is seeking to document our member’s use of the area so that we can contribute positively and concretely to any future consultation processes about recreation in the Bighorn.

https://blog.alpineclubofcanada.ca/b...moiqeme7d40njw

They are acknowledging that even low impact (hiking) access is likely to be restricted. One can be sure that those in the ACC have seen/discussed some of the draft considerations and it has them concerned enough to prepare that survey and get a handle on current usage. Otherwise, they are fully in line with the environmental protections that they'd like to see, as the ACC is a very environmentally conscious organization.

With respect to the Y2Y supporting hunting. Initially (and since scoured off of their website and mission statement) they were absolutely against Hunting, full stop. ( I think Walking Buffalo has an old screen shot or an archive of one of their documents from years ago. ) Then it was 'Trophy' Hunting, and then they said they supported Native's hunting. Now they say they support 'Hunting', in order to help whitewash and attract folks that are perhaps on the fence with their mission statement.

The fact remains that they remain aligned with a number of anti hunting organizations as posted earlier in this thread, and the real 'leaders' within the Y2Y movement would be more than happy to see hunting shut down, perhaps save for a few token native hunts like what happened in Jasper National Park this past season. They're very politically savvy and know how to downplay things that could reduce their membership or support.

Don't expect some of our friends here to agree, but that's ok. I'd rather folks make an informed decision for themselves and decide based on that.
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Old 03-25-2018, 10:37 AM
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I've read and thought through all that AD and I believe I answered that in my post you quoted.
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Old 03-25-2018, 10:41 AM
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I've read and thought through all that AD and I believe I answered that in my post you quoted.
Understood. I posted up the extra info for muledriver (post 20)

You and I have discussed Y2Y and similar topics on various other threads, and I think while we have some common ground in some aspects, others we agree to disagree.
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:01 AM
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These groups will say and do anything to close off large areas of Canada to us permanently. Sad to see that people buy into this. I can see why they do; but don't mistake what comes from their forked tongues as anything but detrimental to the people that own Canada. Us! In case you were wondering.

Anything will be said to get a foot in the door, but when it's all over, there won't be anything left, but to look at it from a walking trail (maybe) and take some pictures like a bunch of tourists.
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:53 AM
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
So speaking out for you is not only speaking out against Y2Y but also includes calling another person who may have a different understanding, calling that person selfish?

I have no problem with your point of view but I do not think it should include insulting comments to someone that is trying to understand what changes will mean.
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Old 03-26-2018, 09:05 PM
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I see that they claim "Persuaded the Alberta government to list the province’s grizzly bear population as “Threatened”, opening the door to greater protection." as one of their achievements. Everyone knows how on the up and up that was done.
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Old 03-26-2018, 10:21 PM
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I've always been amused that Y2Y's stated goal is an uninterrupted wildlife corridor between Yellowstone and the Yukon. At times prominent members have used the terms 're-wilding' and de-peopling' in their dreams of removing all industry and all human access to every-one, except of course people like themselves, who are more evolved than the rest of us, and thus better able to live in peace and harmony with the environment.

Canmore, and it's immediate area, is identified by Y2Y as one of the most severe choke-points in this Y2Y corridor. Y2Y could work out of anywhere, their work is almost all communication work, on-line, working the phones, preparing reports and position papers. They could work out of any big city, with access to an airport and maybe cheap rent. But no, their head office is in Canmore, where they pay high office rents, where their commutes are up and down the mountain valley highway dodging animals, with staff requiring exorbitant accommodation costs, and just unnecessarily adding to the very wildlife corridor impairment they complain about.

So they can look out the windows of their homes and suburus, recreate in grizzly country 5 minutes from their homes, and work to forbid anyone else from doing the same.
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Old 03-27-2018, 06:13 AM
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If you think groups like Y2Y are hunter friendly you are dreaming in technicolor.
Our backcountry is being systematically shut down. It’s the “could never happen here” attitude that is allowing it to happen here.
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Old 03-27-2018, 07:25 AM
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found this report on nordeg site, done in 2002, the last paragraph needs to be read by Shannon Philips.



https://www.fraserinstitute.org/site...eFactIntro.pdf
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Old 03-27-2018, 08:42 AM
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Y2Y is great for them Americans, just stay the hell out of our country. "Yellowstone 2 Yellowstone"
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Old 03-27-2018, 10:03 AM
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What happens in Yellowstone should stay in Yellowstone
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Old 03-27-2018, 08:42 PM
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Y2Y is great for them Americans, just stay the hell out of our country. "Yellowstone 2 Yellowstone"
Well said.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:58 AM
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Over 70 years ago in the west of Rocky there was very little access to quite a large area logging was the only activity. Also there was little game animals in fact moose season was closed, one mill owner shot a moose and was fined more then a murder he wanted the moose to feed his crew. There must be some trapers on here who could chime in and could enlighten us more on the game situation 60 to 70 years ago. As they would be in there 90 or so might need some help to get there story told. I am 80 but would be willing to talk with some if I knew who they were.
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