More Dwight BS......

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http://www.rmoutlook.com/article/Deb...lnp06fJ4.email
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[Sooner]

Thats quite the load of fluff for the un educated. 15 mins to a week to die in a snare? Trappers put out a wall of death with the number of snares? How do the wolves navigate that he asks lol.

Too bad those that don't know any better, will take it as truth and then make up their minds.

Wonder how long before he shows up on this thread

[H380]

Originally Posted by Sooner

Thats quite the load of fluff for the un educated. 15 mins to a week to die in a snare? Trappers put out a wall of death with the number of snares? How do the wolves navigate that he asks lol.

Too bad those that don't know any better, will take it as truth and then make up their minds.

Wonder how long before he shows up on this thread

You can bet he is already watching it .. Got his note pad and crayons out and making notes as fast as his little fingers can go ..waiting , just waiting to jump in at the most opportune time so he can set us all straight and turn the rest of us against each other

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by H380

You can bet he is already watching it . just waiting to jump in at the most opportune time so he can set us all straight and turn the rest of us against each other

And when he does........
Cat

[parfleche]

A man on a mission , Apparently only HE knows how many wolves are taken each year , and no else cant give an estimate even if they are biologists ! That,s pretty special! . Dwight was just a damage control trapper , not an officer at all.! Apparently he may be out of the loop?
Kind of a legend in his own mind!
And as far as wolves being killed over bait stations IE: lactating females . A female wolf will not lactate till it is almost ready to deliver and THAT is LONG AFTER the bait station season is over! Its a rare person who goes after wolves year round just for the sake of killing one!
There are many ranchers and cattle owners who cannot afford to sustain hits by predators such as the one mentioned in the article ! So his assessment may not appeal to all.
It would be interesting to see Dwight give a lesson on snaring wolves and see the type of methods he uses! I would love to follow him as he suspends his WALL OF DEATH around a bait station and then follow him again as he tries to remember where he set them all !! After a snow storm !
If you have to set a hundred or more snares for anything around a bait station , you are NOT trapping You are saturation the area much like seining for fish which leads to catch of the wrong kind !To group ALL Alberta trappers as inept is wrong .
As a trapper there will be wrecks , that is for sure , But you can also go to the hospital and die from a botched surgery !
But the gullible and the misinformed , the emotional types , have no problem throwing money after fools, who take advantage of them and laugh over their beers !
If it was not for his exaggerated rhetoric some of what he say,s may be more believable.
Undoubtedly his emotions and how he feels towards trappers perhaps regret, and guilty conscience ? for what HE put some wildlife through in his time has got the best of him! Who knows!
You almost have to feel sorry for someone who is tormented daily like this! LOL

[sage 13]

Is there a site out there where someone is allowed to express there thoughts with out getting banned, or are they only all one sided sites. Good to see there is ranchers out there like MR Engelhart, by learning about the animal and there behaviours he sure reduced his lose of live stock.

[catnthehat]

When expressing one's thoughts amount to no more than spreading lies truths and misthruths to further one's own agenda, or to get something banned that should not be, like trapping?
No , I doubt very much that you will find a website that would let someone go on like that .

But hey, give it try- head on over to AR15.COM and start a thread on how AR's are only good for killing people and semi auto's and
" assault rifles "should banned outright and let us know how you made out!
Now, as for this site, got a problem with it?
I have an easy fix for you - DON'T COME HERE IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT!!

Clear enough?


Cat

[sage 13]

Thanks that's the kind of answer I figured and those are not my views on AR and semi autos so why would I do that. I just find it funny how you guys attack people but then don't let them respond.
But it is your site.
This may be why they go to other places to say things and in the long run I think it will hurt you more, and the trickle affect may hurt more out door activities.

[catnthehat]

I gave AR15COM as an example, you would get ghe same response on s Cristian forum
If you spoke out as A Catholic and told everyone they should convert from the Protestant church you would get the same response. To put things very clear to you , this is not a private site it is s public forum, and I do not own it.
However to come into a trapping forum and type stuff like you did only infuriates , but I am certain that you are very aware of this .
the person you are speaking of is not allowed to respond on here because he has already been banned under different names .
Anything else?
Cat

[ishootbambi]

The most disturbing thing about it all is that he was employed by Albertas environmental department and responsible for any decisions regarding wildlife. Sadly there are people like that in the department today. There really needs to be some accountability there. That'll never happen as long as its unionized.

As for sage...I thought the rules of the site were clear. Anti hunting/trapping/fishing sentiments will not be tolerated. I'd think that user has broken that rule...oh...I dunno... Couple dozen times?

[HunterDave]

Our little friend is fighting the Government of Alberta over any killing of wolves whatsoever and hunters and trappers are merely collateral damage. I'll put my money on the Government biologists winning over one loony toon writing articles for a small town rag. He's just a straw man....kind of a joke really....insignificant.

[martinnordegg]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

Our little friend is fighting the Government of Alberta over any killing of wolves whatsoever and hunters and trappers are merely collateral damage. I'll put my money on the Government biologists winning over one loony toon writing articles for a small town rag. He's just a straw man....kind of a joke really....insignificant.

Not really. I guess you didn't read Dave Kay's comments. He's the Rep for Trappers from SRD, E&P or whatever they call it. At the Sundre meeting Dave Kay said exactly the opposite of his comments in the article. Just another typical BS Beaurocrat.

As for Dwight maybe even the media will get tired of his stuck needle on his record. Good news is his Brother has sold his line and neither one of them have any skin in the game.

Dwight or Dwayne didn't seem to have any problems cashing their incentive cheques.

[strawman]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

And when he does........
Cat

Wow! This is one tough sheriff! If you really are explain: What lies? What mis truths? Why protect your "trappers" from a friendly discussion? Why so shrill?

[H380]

Originally Posted by sage 13

Is there a site out there where someone is allowed to express there thoughts with out getting banned, or are they only all one sided sites. Good to see there is ranchers out there like MR Engelhart, by learning about the animal and there behaviours he sure reduced his lose of live stock.

Really ?? You think the govt has time and resources to collar wolves all over the province so ranchers dont lose stock ? Glad it was reduced , but financially impossible on a province wide bases .

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by strawman

Wow! This is one tough sheriff! If you really are explain: What lies? What mis truths? Why protect your "trappers" from a friendly discussion? Why so shrill?

Who are you trying to kid.....lol. You have your own Facebook group where you censor any and all facts that are contrary to your opinion regarding managing the wolf populations in Alberta and you feel slighted because you can't control a discussion on someone else's forum? Poor you!

The GOA throws your letters in the garbage and no one other than your shills comment on your articles. You are insignificant.

[parfleche]

I guess if you can run 4000 cattle and lose a few it,s no big deal LOL
What I find amusing is the fact that according to these news clips only a couple of ranchers and grey haired old ladies object to wolves and wolf bounties and THEY get SO much publicity?
As far as going after the government to do the managing as suggested , How many thousands of years have humans been trying to figure these things out?
we have been to the moon and back and transplanted hearts in humans , make diamonds out of cadavers and STILL a problem with wolves? Lets hear what the huggers have to say and let them handle the problem , WHEN it all goes south , suit the lot of them and their offspring for mismanagement!

[NCC]

As for Dwight maybe even the media will get tired of his stuck needle on his record. Good news is his Brother has sold his line and neither one of them have any skin in the game.


I think his son or nephew is a biologist with the ACA.

[walking buffalo]

I see a bigger concern here that needs to be identified and acted upon.

From the article.

Dave Kay, commercial wildlife and priority species specialist with Alberta Parks and Environment, said the province is looking at ways to regulate against the use of wolf bounties by municipalities and hunting and trapping groups.
“It might be legal, but socially it’s really not that acceptable and we certainly don’t promote them,” said Kay. “We’ve had some discussions internally about how we can regulate against the use of bounties on wolves.”


It appears that the government has already decided where they stand on this issue.


This language follows suit with items from the new Grizzly bear recovery plan which includes a statement; "continue to use media and BearSmart outreach and education message to promote that it is not legal or socially acceptable to kill bears".

Likewise, F&W intends to ban the use of spears and atlatls for hunting because, two people complained and others might....

The trend to submit to minority negative opinion is blatant.


I have spoken with AEP F&W Policy heads many times over the last couple of years. They are particularly concerned with negative opinions and "Social acceptance". I suspect that their political bosses are also influencing this mindset.

It looks to me that Trappers are under a falling rock. You better move Very fast and scream loud at those who dropped the boulder.

Kay, Dave
Commercial Wildlife and Priority Species Specialist
Wildlife Management Policy
Phone: 780 644-4646
Fax: 780 422-9559
E-mail: dave.kay@gov.ab.ca

Besko, Matt
Section Head
Wildlife Management Policy
Environment and Parks
Phone: 780 427-7769
Fax: 780 422-9559
E-mail: matt.besko@gov.ab.ca

[martinnordegg]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

I see a bigger concern here that needs to be identified and acted upon.

From the article.

Dave Kay, commercial wildlife and priority species specialist with Alberta Parks and Environment, said the province is looking at ways to regulate against the use of wolf bounties by municipalities and hunting and trapping groups.
“It might be legal, but socially it’s really not that acceptable and we certainly don’t promote them,” said Kay. “We’ve had some discussions internally about how we can regulate against the use of bounties on wolves.”


It appears that the government has already decided where they stand on this issue.


This language follows suit with items from the new Grizzly bear recovery plan which includes a statement; "continue to use media and BearSmart outreach and education message to promote that it is not legal or socially acceptable to kill bears".

Likewise, F&W intends to ban the use of spears and atlatls for hunting because, two people complained and others might....

The trend to submit to minority negative opinion is blatant.


I have spoken with AEP F&W Policy heads many times over the last couple of years. They are particularly concerned with negative opinions and "Social acceptance". I suspect that their political bosses are also influencing this mindset.

It looks to me that Trappers are under a falling rock. You better move Very fast and scream loud at those who dropped the boulder.

Kay, Dave
Commercial Wildlife and Priority Species Specialist
Wildlife Management Policy
Phone: 780 644-4646
Fax: 780 422-9559
E-mail: dave.kay@gov.ab.ca

Besko, Matt
Section Head
Wildlife Management Policy
Environment and Parks
Phone: 780 427-7769
Fax: 780 422-9559
E-mail: matt.besko@gov.ab.ca

Exactly, thanks for printing out the quotation and contacts. That's what I was getting at in Post 12.

Face to face the Beaurocrats like Dave Kay will tell you only what you want to hear.