The ugly side of social media

[pikergolf]

Sad turn of events.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...gary-1.4602948

[CaberTosser]

Those animal rights people can be pretty inhumane. Of course there have been instances where their targets have had it coming, I recall one young fellow in Calgary who had been caught torturing animals who would fall into that category. The story referenced its hard to pass judgement. Sounds like his substance abuse may have possibly been a factor in him not knowing/recalling where the dog was.

[bobtodrick]

Exactly why I'm not on Facebook. Firstly, I don't really give a rats #$%$ what others think of what or why I do things. And why would you care about what people who've never met you or talked to you care about you. I feel bad for this fellow...but his issues were a lot deeper than some comments made on Facebook.

[crosman177]

I just read that story before opening this thread strangely enough, feel bad for the guy. He was in a dark deep spot. One of the many reasons why I don’t have Facebook. I enjoy my privacy

[Big Sky]

This is such a sad story on so many levels.

Whenever an animal or child dies in the back of a car, there will always be internet warriors show up to pass judgement. Sometimes the parent or pet owner is an awful person who knowingly leaves their child/pet in the vehicle while they go shopping or play the VLT's. That is rare. Much more common is the distracted parent/pet owner who simply forgets.

The first time I heard of this, was a story of a NASA scientist who left his child in the back seat of his car when he went in to work. I wanted to post the story, but a quick google search found this. It's a bit long, but well worth reading, even if you can only spare the time to read a fraction of it. The article is about children, but the article would be applicable to the story posted by the OP.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.7b1c1051153a

[rem338win]

The issue is they name These things and the persons involved and then don't monitor the outcome. It is irresponsible.

The other issue is people's emotional reactions they leave unchecked on everything and somehow believing their gross opinions are relevant without knowing an iota about anything. Welcome to the "me, I am relevant" generation. We've created mobs and nearly everyone is guilty.

[Map Maker]

Very screwed up.
When i first read the article this morning, it had the names of the posters and the person who had the picture of the noose. Now its blurred.
I think the writer did that intentionally.
I wonder if those posters are happy or remorseful now, or feeling any effect.

I even thought the same thing with the beat down of the girl on twitter on the bus crash.

Guess im just glad i dont feel hate.

If i post anything, i mentally check my post, that its something i would say that to someone in person.

[Albertadiver]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

its something i would say that to someone in person.

This. I've made the mistake of leaning towards being a bit of a keyboard warrior. I try to make sure anything I put on the internet forever is something that I would say in person as well. I've caught (and corrected) myself many a time before hitting that 'submit reply' button.

[223MB]

Cyber bullying/harassment is obviously a huge issue with youth’s but it is also a big issue amongst adults and there should be a stiffer punishment for those who participate in these behaviours.

[Fish along]

I think the humane society were acting as a judge and jury in this man's case without knowing all the facts,maybe he didn't put the dog in the car,either way the society should have shut this thread down when people started saying that he should die,they should be sued in my opinion.

[AB2506]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

Very screwed up.
When i first read the article this morning, it had the names of the posters and the person who had the picture of the noose. Now its blurred.
I think the writer did that intentionally.
I wonder if those posters are happy or remorseful now, or feeling any effect.

I even thought the same thing with the beat down of the girl on twitter on the bus crash.

Guess im just glad i dont feel hate.

If i post anything, i mentally check my post, that its something i would say that to someone in person.

Most animal rights people care more about animals than people. So, no, they don't likely feel remorse.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by AB2506

Most animal rights people care more about animals than people. So, no, they don't likely feel remorse.

I somewhat agree with this except that maybe not "most" but "many" certainly think like that.
Since the infamous Antler Restaurant deer leg butchering counter protest awhile back I've done a little looking around the internet and I can say without hesitation that some of those vegans are seriously mentally ill.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by 223MB

Cyber bullying/harassment is obviously a huge issue with youth’s but it is also a big issue amongst adults and there should be a stiffer punishment for those who participate in these behaviours.

There is a difference between cyber bullying and voicing an opinion. This is why I hate how our world has evolved; information (good or bad) flies at the speed of light and people react even faster. These reactions are often narcissistic expressions vs thoughtful opinions and the damage they do is instant because it takes nothing to make contact with people. Because most of it is faceless, people don't even pause to think of repercussions.

This And the fact that fools are heard as quickly and easily, and by the same mediums, as knowledgeable and intelligent people. Add as well that for at least 4 generations our society and education system has eroded the values of accountability and reason to where they are nearly nonexistent for most people.

We have things our ancestors would have dreamed of in the past that we casually abuse and disregard as quickly as it became available. Every person here has entitlement to things we take for granted everyday and this includes an amplified voice for good or ill and we still don't get it.

This example is a symptom of the greater problem and a sad one.

[Ken07AOVette]

There was a lot more at play here. He was on a very self destructive path already.

And then he got into the alcohol," his mother said. "And I was concerned because it's in the family. Alcoholism is a genetic problem."
He was laid off from the job that had launched his new life in Alberta. He started drinking more.
He found a new job with a new company, but he didn't love it. After "a weekend of drinking and drugs," his father said, he didn't show up for work and was fired.
"He would go on binges," said Gountounas. "So for two or three days, he would be gone."
It was during one of those binges, his loved ones say, that Knightley died.
He said he had been drinking heavily for several days and simply lost track of Knightley. He didn't know how she ended up in his car. He was also angry with the way he was being portrayed.
But, as an interview, our conversation was unpublishable. He was clearly extremely drunk.
He also told his mother he had been drinking around the time of Knightley's death.
I called police and asked them to check on his welfare. They found him to be highly intoxicated but otherwise physically OK.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

There was a lot more at play here. He was on a very self destructive path already.

And then he got into the alcohol," his mother said. "And I was concerned because it's in the family. Alcoholism is a genetic problem."
He was laid off from the job that had launched his new life in Alberta. He started drinking more.
He found a new job with a new company, but he didn't love it. After "a weekend of drinking and drugs," his father said, he didn't show up for work and was fired.
"He would go on binges," said Gountounas. "So for two or three days, he would be gone."
It was during one of those binges, his loved ones say, that Knightley died.
He said he had been drinking heavily for several days and simply lost track of Knightley. He didn't know how she ended up in his car. He was also angry with the way he was being portrayed.
But, as an interview, our conversation was unpublishable. He was clearly extremely drunk.
He also told his mother he had been drinking around the time of Knightley's death.
I called police and asked them to check on his welfare. They found him to be highly intoxicated but otherwise physically OK.

I don't disagree. The one thing that was said by his family but is muted is the fact that they identified Qualie was suffering and self destructive and they SHOULD have been more involved. This one thing can make all the difference in the world.

I am personally tired of the common rhetoric of creating victims out of the self destructive. If the family can't bother to make the effort to save someone, or does and fails to make the intended impact, why in the world are they expecting the gov or anyone else to be responsible for preventing them from coming to a bad end?

That doesn't excuse our new found love of ignorant mobs on social media. I was less than impressed with how people responding to things like the SJWs on the Boushie and Humbolt issues. The pendulum swung equally far into wrong and destructive for the majority of responses.

[jstubbs]

Almost all of here are guilty of this, too. Myself included. Just look at that thread about that Nora or whatever her name was and the incendiary tweet about the Humboldt tragedy. Plenty of extremely choice words there.

People on the internet love to form lynch mobs. Scary, scary stuff.

[Little red riding hood]

Double standards everywhere you look! If Remington is held accountable for making a tool that has killed people...
Why isn't Mark Zuckerman held to the same standard?

[Marten1576]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Almost all of here are guilty of this, too. Myself included. Just look at that thread about that Nora or whatever her name was and the incendiary tweet about the Humboldt tragedy. Plenty of extremely choice words there.

People on the internet love to form lynch mobs. Scary, scary stuff.

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[Sooner]

After reading the article, my gut tells me he went on a bender, decided to go somewhere, put dog in car. Got distracted and forgot dog. Came off bender, found dog dead. That seem's like a plausible scenario. Sad doesn't even begin to describe the events. Terrible way for the mutt to die, no one deserves the social media nightmare either for a mistake. But, it was a mistake due to his demons and he paid the price with his own life. Maybe that end was coming anyway, the dog mistake just accelerated the date. Whatever distracted him to forget his dog in the car, may have prevented a drunk driving incident where someone could have been hurt or worse.

An addiction brings a tragic ending for both the dog and the man.

[Redneck 7]

That’s just horrible, I can vouch for him on didn’t know his dog was in the car. At the farm once I went with my dad to the back 40 to the campground to help winterize his trailer. When we left Rosie was no where, my dog and I figured she went back to the house, or just in the bush. Couple hours went by and she didn’t come back to the house so I went out looking for her, just for laughs I opened the trailer door we worked on and out she came. I was surprised she went in the trailer and how my dad didn’t realize she was in there as it’s not a big trailer and very open. She’s not allowed in campers or the house so I doubted she was in there.

All was well but this is very unfortunate, animal cruelty people get on random people’s cases about how they treated there dog, don’t care about the facts but but meat and poultry from the grocery store not knowing the facts of how some of the farmed animals are treated.

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

Exactly why I'm not on Facebook. Firstly, I don't really give a rats #$%$ what others think of what or why I do things. And why would you care about what people who've never met you or talked to you care about you. I feel bad for this fellow...but his issues were a lot deeper than some comments made on Facebook.

Take it or leave it, but Facebook is for the user what he/she wants it to be. You get to decide what name you use (real or fake), and you only have to communicate and share with those of your own choosing. Facebook is not the evil monster some like to make it out to be, unless by their own choices, they've turned it into a monster for themselves.

And for the record, just like Facebook, the AO forums are a form of "social media". And just like the AO forums, Facebook is what we make it to be for ourselves. The real Monster is in the mirror.

[RandyBoBandy]

[QUOTE=Big Sky;3771485]This is such a sad story on so many levels.

Whenever an animal or child dies in the back of a car, there will always be internet warriors show up to pass judgement.
Oh, we don't have to go to FB for this, we have PLENTY-O-IW's right here in this social media place

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by RandyBoBandy

Whenever an animal or child dies in the back of a car, there will always be internet warriors show up to pass judgement.
Oh, we don't have to go to FB for this, we have PLENTY-O-IW's right here in this social media place

Yup

[midgetwaiter]

Originally Posted by Fish along

I think the humane society were acting as a judge and jury in this man's case without knowing all the facts,maybe he didn't put the dog in the car,either way the society should have shut this thread down when people started saying that he should die,they should be sued in my opinion.

I have a friend and former employer that went through a series of issues with the Calgary Humane Society eventually resulting in his business being shut down. While I wasn’t involved with the business anymore and hadn’t been there much to see for myself I believe that in his case as in the one currently under discussion the society had some good reason to get involved. I cant fault them for that. However once they were involved they lied, missrepresented several pieces of “evidence” and played the media like a damn violin. It was a disgusting spectacle.

I can’t put the blame for social media’s tendency twards recreational outrage on the Humane Society either but it seems to me they are two sides of the same coin. People are so eager to be seen as righteous that they fall all over themselves to get in on the mob. I can’t shake the feeling that there is an element as opritunism that influences how the media relations of the Humane Society handles this things as well too, I just can’t see how they believe some of the crap they peddle. I think they know how this stuff plays and are willing to ignore the sensationalist stuff it it leads to a few more donations.

I refuse to have anything to do with the Humane Society since and have gone as far as to stay home on a day that they were doing a fundraising event with my company.

[blacknorthernjk]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

There was a lot more at play here. He was on a very self destructive path already.

And then he got into the alcohol," his mother said. "And I was concerned because it's in the family. Alcoholism is a genetic problem."
He was laid off from the job that had launched his new life in Alberta. He started drinking more.
He found a new job with a new company, but he didn't love it. After "a weekend of drinking and drugs," his father said, he didn't show up for work and was fired.
"He would go on binges," said Gountounas. "So for two or three days, he would be gone."
It was during one of those binges, his loved ones say, that Knightley died.
He said he had been drinking heavily for several days and simply lost track of Knightley. He didn't know how she ended up in his car. He was also angry with the way he was being portrayed.
But, as an interview, our conversation was unpublishable. He was clearly extremely drunk.
He also told his mother he had been drinking around the time of Knightley's death.
I called police and asked them to check on his welfare. They found him to be highly intoxicated but otherwise physically OK.

This. Thank you. A tragedy all around.

[KegRiver]

Will people ever change. Will we ever recognize mental illness as a legitimate illness?

Some times it seems to me that our society is little better then a pack of wolves.
They kill the weak members of the pack too.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Will people ever change. Will we ever recognize mental illness as a legitimate illness?

Some times it seems to me that our society is little better then a pack of wolves.
They kill the weak members of the pack too.

It's human nature. Been that way since day one, always will be, it's a natural pecking order. We like to think we are above and better than animals but we are denying the reality that humans are still animals. Give society three days without food, add a little stress, take the comforts of life away and the reality of what the basic human animal reverts back to will become readily apparent.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Albertadiver

This. I've made the mistake of leaning towards being a bit of a keyboard warrior. I try to make sure anything I put on the internet forever is something that I would say in person as well. I've caught (and corrected) myself many a time before hitting that 'submit reply' button.

Yeah and you don't pay your bills!!!
You never did pay me for harassing TJ at the boat show!

[HalfBreed]

Must have been a white guy, otherwise this wouldn't be news.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by HalfBreed

Must have been a white guy, otherwise this wouldn't be news.

No, there would be threats and roadblocks and protests and riots and poor little sjw snowflakes melting all over North America.