Go Back   Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > Guns & Ammo Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #301  
Old 03-26-2019, 01:13 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Ya, Billy's questionnaire/poll thingy he ran at the beginning of all his "consultations". Please note that of the 134,000 no votes, there was one guy that set his computer to vote no about 4000 times a nite on there? And there are a bunch of people, who should know better, who obviously didn't read this article, who are touting other issues of the same article, as an affirmation that we won the poll.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...OxtuB_GHwxQBPs
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #302  
Old 03-27-2019, 12:40 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Lots of rhetoric flying around this week. Cdn politicians tweeting their support for a NZ type law to be implemented here, Michelle Rempel released a vid today countering that. Her and Glen Motz and Bob Zimmer are doing town halls in BC again, Duncan and Terrace in April.
Apparently quite a kerfuffle in Australia about an Al Jazeera reporter infiltrating an Australian gun rights group and getting set up for a meeting with that group and the NRA in the US, and using hidden cameras to record all that was said. The reporter learned about NRA response tactics for mass shootings and the like, and put out a big article on it.
The doctors group are having a meeting in a hotel in Montreal in April and the eastern media are publishing a number of editorials supporting a NZ type law.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...111828105.html
Attached Images
File Type: jpg doctor's poster.jpg (35.0 KB, 15 views)
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #303  
Old 03-28-2019, 02:25 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

CSSA news letter, bit of a rant about the Doctors against guns and their disinformation campaign, few of the articles that have been circulating in the last couple of weeks.

http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...zeSODAtog4xuVw

Bit of history on C68 in a couple of old Maclean's issues from 1995;

https://archive.macleans.ca/article/...VLvownO8f_856U

https://archive.macleans.ca/article/...b19fDL_RzlLpks
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #304  
Old 03-28-2019, 01:07 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Lot of stuff going on today;

A couple of political groups thinking out of the box;

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...hcRQIUOJHofIGg

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/pol...DKIT_ClBAPuqck

and a bit of insight on mass shooter mindsets;

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...Zq7hlVqpKaIU-U
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #305  
Old 03-28-2019, 01:11 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

And Dennis Young is still digging, and questioning, and not getting much in the way of useful answers as to where the gov't is getting its "evidence based" rhetoric from;

https://dennisryoung.ca/2019/03/24/m...m32zJUjeL5nvOo
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #306  
Old 03-29-2019, 04:58 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

SECD is up and hearing more presenters on Mon Apr 1st. Be interested to hear Kate McQuarrie. From what I've seen on her posts, she has a head on her shoulders. Some other interesting people in the list as well.

https://sencanada.ca/en/Committees/S...bfET726YKlvJrY
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #307  
Old 03-29-2019, 12:19 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

And Billy Blair goes before the SECD on Wed, this ought to be an eye opener;

https://sencanada.ca/en/Committees/S...PbMHU49947MEUw
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #308  
Old 03-29-2019, 12:46 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Dennis Young has scored again, Dept of Public Safety released somewhere between 190 and 220 pgs of the record of Bill Blair's consultations;

https://dennisryoung.ca/2019/03/29/r...zFJO13Y_VdkmO0
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #309  
Old 03-29-2019, 01:39 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Mr. Kenney is really threatening to torque the Liberals now, he wants to change self defense guidelines in the province;

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...s-on-the-table
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #310  
Old 03-29-2019, 11:54 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

And it would appear the independent Senator on the SECD committee may have some trouble brewing too, too bad it is so late in the proceedings.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/03/29/prat...5ojKOm8h1u2lB0
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #311  
Old 03-29-2019, 11:56 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Just to paint the picture in Europe at the moment. I kinda like the headline though.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...yfPP3cy5Hbwc9o
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #312  
Old 03-31-2019, 01:52 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Couple of articles that should provide a reality check to some politicians;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...SsG3H3RueSrBG4


https://www.blueline.ca/opinion/back...4vyRU4QNJnNQso
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #313  
Old 04-01-2019, 12:40 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

If you can stomach reading it, NZ legislation. Guaranteed the Libs are looking hard at it. I doubt they are crazy enough to try it before the election, but, it will at least be part of their platform. I watched the announcement on it last nite, believe it may now be on You Tube under 1news possibly. It was sad and sickening to watch the attitude of those politicians in answering the questions from the media. Essentially, if it is a centerfire autoloader rifle or pump with a detachable mag, gone. Extended tube mags for shotguns, gone, all mags over 5 rds for centerfire, gone, all detachable mags for .22 over 10 rds, tubular I'm not sure about, gone. And it covers parts of autoloaders, can't just hand in the lower or the receiver and keep the rest.

http://legislation.govt.nz/bill/gove...fZhA8nrlXH69Ok
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #314  
Old 04-01-2019, 12:45 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

In a complete 180 to NZ, Italy brought in self defense laws;

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...KbEYWyWInaDgHk

And Peel Ont police say 75% of the guns they seized, are smuggled across the border illegally;

https://www.bramptonguardian.com/new...e-qmusliiaw9ju
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #315  
Old 04-01-2019, 12:51 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

CCFR released a vid on YT about their calling out the Canadian Doctors for Protection from Guns and how it started;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T41KfeBPrw
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #316  
Old 04-01-2019, 11:41 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

So, TVO put on a program about advocacy, and invited Rod Giltaca of the CCFR to debate on it, then featured the video I just posted about the doctors and a panel of people who specialize in advocacy to debate the methods being used today. They let Rod speak a lot to the purposes of how CCFR does the things they do, and discuss an animal rights vid as well. It has some interesting stuff in it about where they think the boundaries are as to what methods are used

https://www.tvo.org/video/advocacy-a...ACvmgnFsym8x8M

Then tonite they put on the doctor from Toronto that the CCFR has been "picking on". And if you have read some of the things previously posted and saw this lady's testimony at the SECD, you will see what Rod was talking about as soon as she mentions statistics, which she should stay away from, and also the position of the doctors in her organisation and the lines she is taking from the Poly group, and is using to disguise their position.

https://www.tvo.org/video/a-stance-on-gun-safety
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #317  
Old 04-02-2019, 12:34 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Yesterday's session of the SECD on C71, Gun Dealer MacAdam is interesting, OFAH, BC reps, Kate McQuarrie from PEI, a coroner, some doctors, some reps from Police Assoc. Bill Blair will be up tomorrow, to give whatever it is that he will talk about to them.

http://senparlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/...0Safari/537.36
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #318  
Old 04-03-2019, 03:17 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Today, apparently will be the last session of testimony for C71. Then it goes to the clause by clause reading and debate on amendments and whatever occurs there will go back to the HOC.

https://sencanada.ca/en/committees/S...d1Q8GpGPc5ipq8

Please note that there are 11 bills the Libs want to push thru the Senate, these are the instructions given to the Senate for deadlines they are supposed to meet on them, C71 is included;

https://senate-gro.ca/news/schedule-...j6zOWWbBvjg-NQ
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #319  
Old 04-03-2019, 12:23 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

SECD will begin Clause by Clause review Monday AM. Blair was questioned on many things by the Senators, I kept wondering about many things they did not ask about, but, they did ask some pointed questions that Blair dodged as they were not really part of his mandate so to speak.
There was no mention of the possibility of looking after the 443,000 people that are prohibited from possessing firearms, that are currently not tracked by the gov't the same as licenced owners are. There was also no reference in questions about sentencing and gang related crime as the what the gov't is doing with regard to C75. The data storage issue was addressed by Justice dept rep saying the privacy laws and electronic data storage laws both provincial and federal should be enough for the stores, but nobody asked or said if the gov't would provide the proper info to the stores to help them gain knowledge of how to best meet whatever those laws are. The Justice dept also claimed there was an appeal mechanism for re-classification thru trade tribunals and the courts available to the importers and vendors.
There was no mention of the current dilemma of the Swiss arms owners or vendors, other than compensation for prohibitions are off the board, in a roundabout way. Notifications of prohibited reclassification was mentioned, but only as a guideline, not law.
So, it remains a possibility that the Libs could make a law that will direct the RCMP to reclassify handguns and various types of autoloaders thru c71 before Parliament suspends this year. Blair would not talk about what is going on in caucus.
And Marilou McPhedran brought up the fact that the Libs are out of time to legislate a handgun ban, unless they attach it to C71 somehow.
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #320  
Old 04-04-2019, 02:03 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Apr3rd sesssion of the SECD, a few participants come before Bill Blair.

http://senparlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/...0Safari/537.36
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #321  
Old 04-04-2019, 02:58 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

By the way, I missed the witnesses when I watched it live, Dr Ackerman is well worth watching. He apparently was a previous member on the CFAC. And he was not consulted by the Liberals in the creation of C71. He has quite a bit to say.
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #322  
Old 04-04-2019, 07:47 AM
bat119's Avatar
bat119 bat119 is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: On the border in Lloydminster
Posts: 8,342
Default

Some good news from Blair

The chances of the government introducing and passing new gun legislation at this late stage of the parliamentary process — with only eight weeks left on the calendar before Parliament rises for its summer break — is next to non-existent.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bil...port-1.5083050

Blair also suggested the Liberals could revisit this issue if the government is re-elected in the fall

Let's hope that doesn't happen
Reply With Quote
  #323  
Old 04-04-2019, 11:43 AM
DLab DLab is offline
Shooting Xs
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Medicine Hat
Posts: 836
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bat119 View Post
Some good news from Blair

The chances of the government introducing and passing new gun legislation at this late stage of the parliamentary process — with only eight weeks left on the calendar before Parliament rises for its summer break — is next to non-existent.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bil...port-1.5083050

Blair also suggested the Liberals could revisit this issue if the government is re-elected in the fall

Let's hope that doesn't happen
Anybody else notice the StatCan claims of FULLY AUTOMATIC firearms use in Canadian crime stats at the bottom of this CBC article?
Apparently these were facts introduced by Yvan Clermont ,Director at StatsCan at SECD meeting on C-71 held on Feb.18.
Has a full auto firearm been used in Canada to commit a crime that maybe I'm not aware of?
Reply With Quote
  #324  
Old 04-04-2019, 12:35 PM
bat119's Avatar
bat119 bat119 is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: On the border in Lloydminster
Posts: 8,342
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DLab View Post
Anybody else notice the StatCan claims of FULLY AUTOMATIC firearms use in Canadian crime stats at the bottom of this CBC article?
Apparently these were facts introduced by Yvan Clermont ,Director at StatsCan at SECD meeting on C-71 held on Feb.18.
Has a full auto firearm been used in Canada to commit a crime that maybe I'm not aware of?
Yes Dennis Lorte used one he stole from the military to take over the house of commons

There have a few incidents in BC and TO from gangs, recently a machine shop was caught making some. no legally owned have been used
Reply With Quote
  #325  
Old 04-05-2019, 04:00 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

This week's CSSA newsletter;

http://web-extract.constantcontact.c...i9kj9ftgbbN2_Q

Dennis Young apparently started a new petition on Change.org

https://www.change.org/p/justin-trud...uN0laGrk9DI8g8
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #326  
Old 04-05-2019, 01:10 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

SECD meeting on Monday, looks like they will video it, believe they start the clause by clause examination next wk. May get interesting, I do hope all the Senators that we need attending are there.

https://sencanada.ca/en/Committees/s...gSchedule/42-1

And a couple of the eastern papers articles;

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/co...fYphJhuXVkzJd8


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/mat...F8rmRUprqbItrE
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #327  
Old 04-09-2019, 01:05 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Well, this is a long one, the clause by clause amendments procedure in the SECD for C71. Whether or not these amendments survive the vote in the Senate general vote, or in the HoC, is still in the air. Sen Plett did as promised, he pretty much gutted it, and was quite successful in the votes.
If we are lucky, it'll be a few weeks til the bill goes thru a vote in the Senate, and a bit more before it goes back to Parliament. But, it also paints a picture of what is to come if the Libs get re-elected, or the Cons wind up in a minority, or the Libs get elected again down the road, and that is not pretty.

http://senparlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/...0Safari/537.36

A little bit of a summary from the Gun Blog;

https://thegunblog.ca/2019/04/08/sen...p_BaE4PpH-7ZwA
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA

Last edited by 32-40win; 04-09-2019 at 01:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #328  
Old 04-09-2019, 01:40 PM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Pretty much mirrors Dr. Ackerman's basic statement to the SECD last week, he was also there at the Poly incident. He had a bit more to say about Poly and the Poly group and the doctor's new movement in his testimony though;

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/i-t...bsHqdbx_N21skc
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #329  
Old 04-10-2019, 03:23 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Toronto Police Assoc says a handgun ban is useless;

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/han...6SIYTYUAM-VH3I

And Ralph doesn't really care what the Senate does;

https://leaderpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/...N6YypqUoALaL90
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
  #330  
Old 04-12-2019, 03:08 AM
32-40win 32-40win is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Near Drumheller
Posts: 6,733
Default

Well, for what ever it is worth, here is the summary of the Minister of Nothing's public consultations over the last few months;

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/r...9je_Ikj4NRs#a2
__________________
You should also be a member;
CCFR
CSSA
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.