Masks Mandatory In ALL Indoor Public Places In Edmonton

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by npbra

Went to my doctor this morning, no social distancing floor decals, no hand sanitizer and no masks. reaffirms my position on this fake plandemic. It's pure and simple bull%$@)

Knock...Knock...Knocking on heavens door.....

perhaps its their way of getting rid of you.....

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Tried one at work yesterday for an hour or so. Glasses kept fogging up when reading the computer screen, the hot breath going down to the chest was not at all pleasant in the heat of the day, even with A/C in the counter area. It does force a person to speak loud and clear on the phone, which some people interpret as being hollered at. It makes very little sense to me as I work on a busy counter, have been all thru this, without a mask. We see people from all over the continent at that counter, have been all along.
All I can say is, along with other issues and conditions in that place, this may well be the end of that job for me next wk. It's just more suck than I am willing to put up with overall, pretty tolerant of a lot of krap, but, there is a limit.

Seems kinda silly to quit a job because of something as minimal as wearing a mask As only 1% of the population has been exposed, "we're a long way from done" and whatever job you apply to will probably have the same requirement.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by AlpineFlyFisher

I, and many others, will not comply.

good luck....so you have to get to a hospital...your insides are burning and your about to fall over etc...at the hospital they tell you to mask up...or deal with your possible life ending issue

good luck....

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Actually, many people see this restriction as nothing more than virtue signaling. The peak of the pandemic is over, and if masks were not required in the past, it's hard to justify why they would all of a sudden be a consideration now that things are getting back to normal. And the mistrust held by many people, is also based on the lack of trust for the Edmonton mayor and council.

You have a pretty great crystal ball if you're confident that the "peak of the pandemic" is over. If you're that sure then it's time for you to go big into the markets cuz you'll make a killing when this thing is over.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

good luck....so you have to get to a hospital...your insides are burning and your about to fall over etc...at the hospital they tell you to mask up...or deal with your possible life ending issue

good luck....

Here's what it looks like to be 59 years old and to be infected. Remember he's not part of the 1.5% that die, he's part of the 18% that get serious symptoms.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1767452227703

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Scott h

You have a pretty great crystal ball if you're confident that the "peak of the pandemic" is over. If you're that sure then it's time for you to go big into the markets cuz you'll make a killing when this thing is over.

I don't need a crystal ball to see that the markets have recovered far beyond what most people expected, so it's not likely that a person is going to make a killing anytime soon. Now if you bought back in months ago, your holding likely have increased greatly in value. The point is that there are far fewer cases now than there were months ago, so if masks weren't justified then, it's hard to justify them now.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Here's what it looks like to be 59 years old and to be infected. Remember he's not part of the 1.5% that die, he's part of the 18% that get serious symptoms.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1767452227703

and that's the other side of this beast...long and short term side affects....so your bullet proof and so full of yourself...you get it....bounce back but internally it is say slowly giving you a heart condition etc.....I say smarten up and do what you can to protect yourself and others....don't have to run to the hills just be cautious/courteous....

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I don't need a crystal ball to see that the markets have recovered far beyond what most people expected, so it's not likely that a person is going to make a killing anytime soon. Now if you bought back in months ago, your holding likely have increased greatly in value. The point is that there are far fewer cases now than there were months ago, so if masks weren't justified then, it's hard to justify them now.

hmm masks weren't justified then because the economy was in lockdown for the most part...now we are starting to open up so that being said mask up and follow guidelines or we will be in a real bad place real quick....

[tri777]

IF anyone's worried about getting the big corona, put on your mask whilst going about contaminating everything
you touch & scratch, for you are now protected with your "baa's". But know, the shearing season is
fast incoming & will not escape..'for those that try to save their lives..etc'

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Here's what it looks like to be 59 years old and to be infected. Remember he's not part of the 1.5% that die, he's part of the 18% that get serious symptoms.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1767452227703

That 59 year old has COPD, and was grossly overweight, so covid effected him much more than the average person.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

hmm masks weren't justified then because the economy was in lockdown for the most part...now we are starting to open up so that being said mask up and follow guidelines or we will be in a real bad place real quick....

We still went to grocery stores, and many other retail outlets, and many people still worked with other people, so it's not like there was no exposure. Yes you can get a haircut now and go to a gym now, but for most people, the exposure hasn't increased dramatically.

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by CMichaud

1. It boils down to trust. Any time a government enacts legislation that impinges one's freedoms, a critical eye in required. In this case we have a municipal government enacting bylaws pertaining to what is essentially a global medical issue.

2. The efficacy of masks is in question. Neither Dr Tam nor Dr Hinshaw have directed that masks are required in all public places/private business. They have recommended them where maintaining 2 meters is not possible.

3. Credibility of experts is increasingly in question based on evolving science and data that is often conflicting and has thus resulted in conflicting recommendations. Dr Tam initially said masks were not effective and may be harmful. The head of the Dutch medical agency has expressed that masks are largely ineffective in the battle against COVID 19 as recently as yesterday.

4. The most "at risk" population based on the data appears to be the elderly and this is in hospitals and long term care facilities. Average age of death is 83. Out of 190 deaths, only 15 were under the age of 70. I believe most would agree that masking up in extended care homes and hospitals is best practice. I personally would extend this to aircraft, movie theatres, and sports events (the minimum 2 meter distance is unable to be maintained).

5. Seasonal flu in 2018/19 season(9 month duration) killed 52 Albertans. There were 7698 hospital diagnosed cases, 1976 people hospitalized, and 228 ICU admissions. At no point was the public instructed to wear masks and there seems to be no discussion about whether this is a requirement going forward.

6. There is a lack of trust in the media. Blame it on lazy journalism, excessive "opinion" and "analysis" columns, domestic politics (ie govt funded media). centralized private media ownership, foreign state actors, or C (all of the above). This creates mistrust and leaves the public questioning motives.

7. Lastly, and this is conjecture, as Canadians, I suspect that many see the wearing of masks outside of specific situations as surrendering to fear - the fear of death, the fear of the unknown, and fear of lack of control over this disease.

*SLOW CLAP*

Very well articulated sir...

[Brbpuppy]

Originally Posted by ghostguy6

Absolutely, according to the bylaw a face covering is any medical or non medical mask that fully covers the face, nose and chin.
I could wear a military gas mask without any filters and still meet the definition.
The link I posted earlier seems to be down so they could be making changes already.

Thanks!

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

and that's the other side of this beast...long and short term side affects....so your bullet proof and so full of yourself...you get it....bounce back but internally it is say slowly giving you a heart condition etc.....I say smarten up and do what you can to protect yourself and others....don't have to run to the hills just be cautious/courteous....

You got it. Here's a study released a few days ago showing that well over half of those that had a mild case's of covid still had damage done to their hearts.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768916

[tri777]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

good luck....so you have to get to a hospital...your insides are burning and your about to fall over etc...
..at the hospital they tell you to mask up...or deal with your possible life ending issue

good luck....

Let's just be real, the bolded is merely inner fear being broadcasted outward..

[Pikeonafly]

2 more days... hope everyone is ready for the **** show that will occur across the province. Stock up on those masks and sanitizers if you haven’t got them.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

We still went to grocery stores, and many other retail outlets, and many people still worked with other people, so it's not like there was no exposure. Yes you can get a haircut now and go to a gym now, but for most people, the exposure hasn't increased dramatically.

exposure has increased dramatically just look at our beaches etc....people start letting their guard down.....get that it wont happen to me....whats my chances..well the numbers start rising...proof is in the pudding...this virus luvs idiots....at the end of the day someone will step in and make things mandatory for the betterment of all....that's how we operate as a society....hence why we have rules, regs, laws....all developed over time....no different then us currently now dealing with this virus.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by tri777

Let's just be real, the bolded is merely inner fear being broadcasted outward..

bonne chance mes amis...since we are a bilingual country.

now I got to get back to my underground bunker to ensure my supplies are current....

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

That 59 year old has COPD, and was grossly overweight, so covid effected him much more than the average person.

Actually he didn't have COPD, but he did have high blood pressure and was over weight. His pre sickness weight/build was probably similiar to many on this forum.

[Bigwoodsman]

Why are our guberments making such a big deal out of COVID when cancer kills far more everyday.

Everyday due to COVID others with chronic disease are being bumped because of covid and do not receive treatments.

How many people are dying everyday because of Covid even though they haven't been infected by Covid.

Yet our guberments do nothing to help these people.

BW

[tri777]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

...this virus luvs idiots.... someone will step in and make things mandatory for
the betterment of all... .... .

And too, the idiots luv the experts..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYI6ngjDUBo

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Actually he didn't have COPD, but he did have high blood pressure and was over weight. His pre sickness weight/build was probably similiar to many on this forum.

He lost almost 100lbs, I doubt that many of us could lose 100lbs and still be alive.

One-hundred and five days in hospital later, he’s close to 100 pounds lighter, is using a walker and has nerve damage in his left arm.

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

He lost almost 100lbs, I doubt that many of us could lose 100lbs and still be alive.

I am down 90lbs now... All diet related though... Just a health improvement. Fending off premature death one salad at a time!

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by tirebob

I am down 90lbs now... All diet related though... Just a health improvement. Fending off premature death one salad at a time!

It's good that you lost 90lbs, but anyone that really cares about their health would never get 90lbs over weight. Many people could lose 20-40lbs for health reasons, but 90-100, is not typical, even for our society.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by CMichaud

1. It boils down to trust. Any time a government enacts legislation that impinges one's freedoms, a critical eye in required. In this case we have a municipal government enacting bylaws pertaining to what is essentially a global medical issue.

2. The efficacy of masks is in question. Neither Dr Tam nor Dr Hinshaw have directed that masks are required in all public places/private business. They have recommended them where maintaining 2 meters is not possible.

3. Credibility of experts is increasingly in question based on evolving science and data that is often conflicting and has thus resulted in conflicting recommendations. Dr Tam initially said masks were not effective and may be harmful. The head of the Dutch medical agency has expressed that masks are largely ineffective in the battle against COVID 19 as recently as yesterday.

4. The most "at risk" population based on the data appears to be the elderly and this is in hospitals and long term care facilities. Average age of death is 83. Out of 190 deaths, only 15 were under the age of 70. I believe most would agree that masking up in extended care homes and hospitals is best practice. I personally would extend this to aircraft, movie theatres, and sports events (the minimum 2 meter distance is unable to be maintained).

5. Seasonal flu in 2018/19 season(9 month duration) killed 52 Albertans. There were 7698 hospital diagnosed cases, 1976 people hospitalized, and 228 ICU admissions. At no point was the public instructed to wear masks and there seems to be no discussion about whether this is a requirement going forward.

6. There is a lack of trust in the media. Blame it on lazy journalism, excessive "opinion" and "analysis" columns, domestic politics (ie govt funded media). centralized private media ownership, foreign state actors, or C (all of the above). This creates mistrust and leaves the public questioning motives.

7. Lastly, and this is conjecture, as Canadians, I suspect that many see the wearing of masks outside of specific situations as surrendering to fear - the fear of death, the fear of the unknown, and fear of lack of control over this disease.

Very well-thought-out summary.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

He lost almost 100lbs, I doubt that many of us could lose 100lbs and still be alive.

Actually most people who are around 250 pounds could lose similiar weight. Someone that spends that much time in bed loses almost all of their muscle mass, not just fat.

[ward]

And Trump’s Dr. Birx is asking states and local governments to mandate masks.

Go figure?

[stinkynuts]

Originally Posted by Outbound

251 active cases in a city of 1,021,628. 0.025% of the population.

Of those 251, using Canada's numbers roughly 7% will die. (FWIW, I think 7% is an extremely high estimate)

17 people. 0.0016% of Edmonton's population.

Of those 17 people, how many are already knocking at death's door through old age or other serious health concerns? How many would have been taken out by the regular flu?

exactly 100% on point !!!! this whole thing is so off already

[sk270]

Originally Posted by CMichaud

1. It boils down to trust. Any time a government enacts legislation that impinges one's freedoms, a critical eye in required. In this case we have a municipal government enacting bylaws pertaining to what is essentially a global medical issue.

2. The efficacy of masks is in question. Neither Dr Tam nor Dr Hinshaw have directed that masks are required in all public places/private business. They have recommended them where maintaining 2 meters is not possible.

3. Credibility of experts is increasingly in question based on evolving science and data that is often conflicting and has thus resulted in conflicting recommendations. Dr Tam initially said masks were not effective and may be harmful. The head of the Dutch medical agency has expressed that masks are largely ineffective in the battle against COVID 19 as recently as yesterday.

4. The most "at risk" population based on the data appears to be the elderly and this is in hospitals and long term care facilities. Average age of death is 83. Out of 190 deaths, only 15 were under the age of 70. I believe most would agree that masking up in extended care homes and hospitals is best practice. I personally would extend this to aircraft, movie theatres, and sports events (the minimum 2 meter distance is unable to be maintained).

5. Seasonal flu in 2018/19 season(9 month duration) killed 52 Albertans. There were 7698 hospital diagnosed cases, 1976 people hospitalized, and 228 ICU admissions. At no point was the public instructed to wear masks and there seems to be no discussion about whether this is a requirement going forward.

6. There is a lack of trust in the media. Blame it on lazy journalism, excessive "opinion" and "analysis" columns, domestic politics (ie govt funded media). centralized private media ownership, foreign state actors, or C (all of the above). This creates mistrust and leaves the public questioning motives.

7. Lastly, and this is conjecture, as Canadians, I suspect that many see the wearing of masks outside of specific situations as surrendering to fear - the fear of death, the fear of the unknown, and fear of lack of control over this disease.

I agree with others on here who say this is a good post. However, since it quoted one of my posts, I feel free to add some comments.

It has become increasingly clear over the last couple of decades that public trust has been eroded. At one time, most of the public accepted what we were told by doctors and public health figures, for example the mass vaccinations against polio, smallpox for international travel and so on. I think social media are to blame for most of this.

Drs. Tam and Hinshaw are reluctant to advocate masks too strongly, perhaps for political reasons. There is a great deal of recent research supporting the wearing of masks in indoor public places.

On a world-wide basis, adults of all ages are at risk although the risk increases exponentially with age (https://www.nber.org/papers/w27597). This may not be evident from Alberta statistics because of the sparse population and relative isolation.

Relatively effective vaccines were available for seasonal influenza, free of charge for everyone. As far as I can tell, seasonal influenza does not leave recovered patients with chronic organ damage.

If people distrust the mainstream media with regard to Covid-19, Google makes it easy to access primary sources. I agree that in many cases, we see opinion or prediction instead of news reporting. However, it seems to me that Reuters and BBC do quite a good job of reporting the facts, with AP a possibility.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Actually most people who are around 250 pounds could lose similiar weight. Someone that spends that much time in bed loses almost all of their muscle mass, not just fat.

So you are telling us that the average weight of a Canadian is 250lbs? Or is 250lbs the exception? Or are you insinuating that the members of AO are dramatically overweight compared to the general public?