Grizzly Bears

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by duffy4

1. There are large areas of potential bear habitat that does not have a good bear population (do we want more bears in that habitat?).2. moving bears does not work to well, most do not stay there or do not live long.

3. There are some areas where there is a good and growing bear populations. (the pressure is there for some of these bears to move out into the areas that "need" more bears)

4. Having a bear hunt in the areas where there are enough or too many bears will crop those bears down but stop the population from moving out into the vacant habitat.

5. there may be some areas where bears may be in conflict with people and we need to address this in a new "Bear Smart" attitude.

When this was explained to you, were there any examples given of the areas that have a low bear population?

[bignorthernwhitetail]

Originally Posted by duffy4

Here is a brief explanation of the way it was explained to me.

1. There are large areas of potential bear habitat that does not have a good bear population (do we want more bears in that habitat?).

2. moving bears does not work to well, most do not stay there or do not live long.

3. There are some areas where there is a good and growing bear populations. (the pressure is there for some of these bears to move out into the areas that "need" more bears)

4. Having a bear hunt in the areas where there are enough or too many bears will crop those bears down but stop the population from moving out into the vacant habitat.

5. there may be some areas where bears may be in conflict with people and we need to address this in a new "Bear Smart" attitude.

1. Where are these large areas with of potential bear habitat that do not have a good bear population?

2. There are some recent success stories of moving bears. Grizzly bear #107 weighed less than 100lbs was moved to northern Alberta from K country. She was recently handled and now weighs more than 250lbs.

3. Once again where are these areas that need bears? Lets talk carrying capacity not shear numbers.

4. Vacant habitat?

5. I agree with the bear smart attitude, very successful. We used to have prairie grizzlies but this is an example of conflict where people and grizzlies will not co-exist.

So we have 4 bears ready to go, any suggestions?

[oldgutpile]

I say move them to Allison Redfords campain office. They seem to have a magical way of making new policies come about. Maybe after having four cute and cuddly griz to play with, they would think that a season wasnt so far-fetched.

[Ryry4]

Originally Posted by duffy4

1. There are large areas of potential bear habitat that does not have a good bear population (do we want more bears in that habitat?).

I think that's a great idea. There is plenty of room for them in the prairies. They used to live there why not bring them back?

[duffy4]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

When this was explained to you, were there any examples given of the areas that have a low bear population?

Yes the presentation started out showing the historical range of Grizzlies in North America. Then there was a map showing where grizzlies presently can be found in North America.

Then there was a map of Alberta showing the approximate grizzly bear habitat and where grizzlies may be present. That is the area that was surveyed. The strip of fairly "remote" habitat along the east slopes was shown to have a higher population of G bears but the potential habitat farther east was shown to have a very low population.

So the question was asked, "do we want to try and increase the bear population in the eastern habitat area where we could probably have more bears? Or do we want to let that are become even more bearless and have a limited hunt on the smaller area where we still have good numbers of bears.

But bottom line is the over all population of bears should be 1000 or more in order to maintain genetic diversity. (and not in a couple of isolated populations)


Only an idiot would think that "east of the east slopes" means the prairie.

[Beaverflats]

Originally Posted by duffy4

Sure nice to get a FACT: and not just an OPINION: now we all KNOW the TRUTH.

I run across this one of these signed and gated roads last year while hunting 316. Alberta gov. no tresspassing blah blah blah. Seems factual enough. I could provide the gps co-ordinates if you would like duffy...

I would also encourage you to take a little tour out that way to see how well industry is "taking care" of our public lands. I would suggest working your way down the coal camp road south to fallen timber. They are doing a bang up job.

[Ryry4]

Originally Posted by duffy4

Only an idiot would think that "east of the east slopes" means the prairie.

I hope that wasn't a shot at me Duff. Last time I checked the prairies were east of the eastern slopes and they were part of the traditional range of the grizzly. I'm all for opening up the season again and if it means having them all the way to the Sask border so be it.

[H380]

Originally Posted by Ryry4

I think that's a great idea. There is plenty of room for them in the prairies. They used to live there why not bring them back?

No used to about it Ryry4.... they're back now .I live 35 miles from the nearest forested crown land in Southern Alberta and there have been 6 seen east of me in the past month .

[Ryry4]

Originally Posted by H380

No used to about it Ryry4.... they're back now .I live 35 miles from the nearest forested crown land in Southern Alberta and there have been 6 seen east of me in the past month .

Down on the Ridge?

[H380]

Originally Posted by Ryry4

Down on the Ridge?

Yes sir ..

[Ryry4]

From what I'be heard they've been around there for a few years. Too bad they couldn't count them on the survey.

[H380]

Originally Posted by Ryry4

From what I'be heard they've been around there for a few years. Too bad they couldn't count them on the survey.

Yes and each year they show up with a few more friends ..lol. A friend of mine bumped into the one sow and cubs while bowhunting muleys at close range .. Not much for trees to climb or hide behind .

[Ryry4]

Originally Posted by H380

Yes and each year they show up with a few more friends ..lol. A friend of mine bumped into the one sow and cubs while bowhunting muleys at close range .. Not much for trees to climb or hide behind .

It's good to see the prairie grizzly come back from extirpiration. I can't wait to see what happens when they're roaming around downtown Calgary. I saw 8 hunting in 400 last fall. Plenty of bears.

[H380]

Originally Posted by Ryry4

It's good to see the prairie grizzly come back from extirpiration. I can't wait to see what happens when they're roaming around downtown Calgary. I saw 8 hunting in 400 last fall. Plenty of bears.

Seeing one on the Red Mile would make for quite a youtube clip , ya think ?

[bearbuster]

434 is a popular grizz drop off spot. Last fall there were 3 dropped off at one location. Good population of tagged bear.

[duffy4]

Originally Posted by Beaverflats

I run across this one of these signed and gated roads last year while hunting 316. Alberta gov. no tresspassing blah blah blah. Seems factual enough. I could provide the gps co-ordinates if you would like duffy...

I would also encourage you to take a little tour out that way to see how well industry is "taking care" of our public lands. I would suggest working your way down the coal camp road south to fallen timber. They are doing a bang up job.

I am quite aware that there are gated roads. Its a good idea,I think. What is your point?

As for industry taking care of public lands, I don't recall making any comment regarding that.

[ruttnbuckcojack]

Originally Posted by Springer

We were sitting around around the campfire a couple Nights ago and my Brother-in -law informed us of the Grizzly that was spotted in the Kevisville area adjacent the Red Deer river.
Apparently the call was put in and the C.O's have set out the "Bear Catcher" in hopes of rounding it up.

For those that don't know the area ,Kevisville is between Spruceview and Caroline!

Suposably seen a couple of miles from my house, Just happens that a few nights back my dogs went nuts barking and growling at something which lead them to retreat back to the deck and keep us up all night, no picks on trail cam but whos to say what it was, we had a cat come with in 20 yards of our house a kill one of or pups!!

[Ryry4]

Originally Posted by H380

Seeing one on the Red Mile would make for quite a youtube clip , ya think ?

How about main street in Raymond?

[KCL]

Originally Posted by duffy4

I am quite aware that there are gated roads. Its a good idea,I think. What is your point?

As for industry taking care of public lands, I don't recall making any comment regarding that.

I have seen lots of caribou protection zone gates, there are grizzly ones too?

[Horn Stretcher]

To springer and rutnbuckcojack the bear you both are talking about is the one I pictured in post 15 he has been caught and moved. He was between range rd 42 and 43 of the Red deer county.

[ksteed17]

Originally Posted by Ryry4

How about main street in Raymond?

That could be interesting ha ha

[Skinnydipper]

More bears on the way:

[H380]

Originally Posted by Ryry4

How about main street in Raymond?

that would work too ... lol..

[Speckle55]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

Unfortunately that ain't the case. Look at the wolves south of the border, the enviro-nazi's are fighting tooth and nail to keep the pop's growing when they are already far above sustainable numbers. They'll do the same for grizzly's.

Wolves in the USA just got delisted as endangered.. Congress

IMO there should be a limited Grizzley hunt in Alberta .. just as there was for a 100 years before someone did this study with a bias opinion as to what the numbers should be .. as right now there is only so much Grizz habitat and it is slow shrinking as per industry/human involvement..more grizz are killed as problem bears and railroad/roads per year than hunting ever did..even the Grizz study kill bears

David

[Ryry4]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

Wolves in the USA just got delisted as endangered.. Congress

IMO there should be a limited Grizzley hunt in Alberta .. just as there was for a 100 years before someone did this study with a bias opinion as to what the numbers should be .. as right now there is only so much Grizz habitat and it is slow shrinking as per industry/human involvement..more grizz are killed as problem bears and railroad/roads per year than hunting ever did..even the Grizz study kill bears

David

You're right on the wolves. But it took about 5 years and some very hefty lawyer bills to finally get the courts to do the right thing, and the individual states basically telling the feds to stick it.

[Matt L.]

I doubt the anti's are just going roll over and play dead about it too. They'll keep working to find a way to shut it down.

[Elko]

So where are these East areas that could support grizzly?

Sask? Manitoba? Nflnd, now that would interesting, lots of caribou and moose, could even transplant them to the island, the fun that would be.

But really, what areas east of present habitat did they show?

[Ryry4]

They're living on the prairies right now and seem to be doing alright.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Ryry4

They're living on the prairies right now and seem to be doing alright.

It is not new for Grizzly bears to be living on the Prairies, in the days of Anthony Henday they discovered Grizzly bears all the way back to The Pas MB.

BW

[Ryry4]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

It is not new for Grizzly bears to be living on the Prairies, in the days of Anthony Henday they discovered Grizzly bears all the way back to The Pas MB.

BW

I wonder how many people would be in support of keeping the hunt shut down if that were the case nowadays.