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Yup selfish.
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Ah yes.... and all the really good docs will stay in the public sector... cause profit motive.
Most these posts seem to reek with self indulgence.... and exhibit a laughable concern for their neighbors.
The majority of Albertans live paycheck to paycheck.... so ‘they deserve their situation’ because it’s all about their poor life choices.....
Wish humans and their condition were as simple as that typical tired narrative.
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And privatizing is the answer...?
Right...
And I wish I could afford the $ to have my daughters arthritis treated at the Mayo Clinic.....
But that’s take a second, third, forth mortgage.....
Then what...? Tighten up my belt and tough it out..?
Cause that cost was due to my poor life choices..?
But I get it ‘what’s fair for me’ is what’s fair.
We disagree.
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10-19-2020, 08:16 PM
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Pay or wait.....so simple
Everyone on this site has the ability to pay $1000 for an MRI. It's just a matter of whats more important to them, their "stuff" or their health
Guys with 2 or 30 rifles complaining about paying for an MRI
Guys with $5000+vehicles/quads/snowmobiles complaining about paying for an MRI
Guys with a computer or smartphone and monthly payments on it complaining about paying for an MRI
Anyone can do it, its just a matter if they have the desire to do it
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Its not the one off MRI that breaks a family! Come on!
Its when the system gets slowed down because all the decent Droctors are angry and go to private sector.(Kenny might be smarter than i gave him credit for)
Then the family with a sick kid who needs procedure after pricedure, pays as much as they can, borrows, begs, and steals to keep their child in the best care possible, untill when they are done they have nothing.
Or they line up in the decimated public sector and wait.
Its easy to talk tough till its not!
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10-19-2020, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bsmitty27
Its not the one off MRI that breaks a family! Come on!
Its when the system gets slowed down because all the decent Droctors are angry and go to private sector.(Kenny might be smarter than i gave him credit for)
Then the family with a sick kid who needs procedure after pricedure, pays as much as they can, borrows, begs, and steals to keep their child in the best care possible, untill when they are done they have nothing.
Or they line up in the decimated public sector and wait.
Its easy to talk tough till its not!
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My BIL procurs MD's for the private sector. The MD's that sign up to get hired in the private side, have their butts ridden hard for expertise and accountability. Think about that 
Realistically, do you know if your MD graduated at the top of the class or the bottom of the class?? Doesn't matter!! He has the same papers
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10-19-2020, 08:29 PM
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And privatizing is the answer...?
Right...
And I wish I could afford the $ to have my daughters arthritis treated at the Mayo Clinic.....
But that’s take a second, third, forth mortgage.....
Then what...? Tighten up my belt and tough it out..?
Cause that cost was due to my poor life choices..?
But I get it ‘what’s fair for me’ is what’s fair.
We disagree.
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Well just because there is an option for private it doesn’t mean your forced to use it.
It may indeed not help in your case but you would deny it for others that it could help because it does not help you?
Yes we do disagree.
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10-19-2020, 08:30 PM
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[QUOTE=bsmitty27;4251382]
Or they line up in the decimated public sector and wait.
You mean like they do now.
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10-19-2020, 08:35 PM
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Did u offer to pay for your neighbor?
What’s better for the community overall?
You ability to choose quality and speed
Or
Increase the quality and speed of all so that the least of us gets better care (al be it marginally)
We certainly do disagree.
But certainly still pay more / do more to better your quality of care despite your stance.
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10-19-2020, 08:37 PM
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My BIL procurs MD's for the private sector. The MD's that sign up to get hired in the private side, have their butts ridden hard for expertise and accountability. Think about that
Realistically, do you know if your MD graduated at the top of the class or the bottom of the class?? Doesn't matter!! He has the same papers |
Im not sure what your trying to say?
All im trying to say is. If we have 2 systems there will be less doctors in the public system. And people who can now rely on the public system might have to wait longer.
I dont care where my doctor finished in his class.
I care to have an inteligent, open minded, doctor who keeps up his skills, and knows when to refer to a specialist.
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10-19-2020, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
Pay or wait.....so simple
Everyone on this site has the ability to pay $1000 for an MRI. It's just a matter of whats more important to them, their "stuff" or their health
Guys with 2 or 30 rifles complaining about paying for an MRI
Guys with $5000+vehicles/quads/snowmobiles complaining about paying for an MRI
Guys with a computer or smartphone and monthly payments on it complaining about paying for an MRI
Anyone can do it, its just a matter if they have the desire to do it
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I wholeheartedly agree. My mother was diagnosed with cancer a few years back. Stuck in the "system" waiting for the call for the necessary surgery that wouldn't come. Ended up going to Thailand to have surgery done. My parents aren't wealthy people, but when it came to down to a possible life/death situation, they made the trip. The price was around 9K including the week in the hospital. Oncologist/surgeon was Oxford educated, huge modern campus facility, lab results so thorough that they surprised the oncologist at the Cross Cancer Inst. when she went in for follow up radiation upon her return. She's been cancer free coming up on 9 years now. Total cost for the trip for the two of them was under 15K, so 15/9=$1667 per year or $138 per month. Pretty reasonable price of admission for two people that have been married for over 53 years now.
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[QUOTE=cowmanbob;4251395]
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Or they line up in the decimated public sector and wait.
You mean like they do now.
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No, I mean wait longer than they do now!
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10-19-2020, 08:48 PM
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Yes
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Originally Posted by HVA7mm
I wholeheartedly agree. My mother was diagnosed with cancer a few years back. Stuck in the "system" waiting for the call for the necessary surgery that wouldn't come. Ended up going to Thailand to have surgery done. My parents aren't wealthy people, but when it came to down to a possible life/death situation, they made the trip. The price was around 9K including the week in the hospital. Oncologist/surgeon was Oxford educated, huge modern campus facility, lab results so thorough that they surprised the oncologist at the Cross Cancer Inst. when she went in for follow up radiation upon her return. She's been cancer free coming up on 9 years now. Total cost for the trip for the two of them was under 15K, so 15/9=$1667 per year or $138 per month. Pretty reasonable price of admission for two people that have been married for over 53 years now.
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Well then
This case proves that all procedures are super affordable. It’s just about choices...
What the hell wuz I thinking...?
Cause there’ll never be more expensive stuff than that.....
I’m sorry I was so entirely mistaken. I shoulda realized this issue was so straightforward and simple..... man them UCPers got it figured.
Again, I wunder why folks wuz so stupid to make healthcare universal in the first place..... musta been commie spies....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmitty27
Its not the one off MRI that breaks a family! Come on!
Its when the system gets slowed down because all the decent Droctors are angry and go to private sector.(Kenny might be smarter than i gave him credit for)
Then the family with a sick kid who needs procedure after pricedure, pays as much as they can, borrows, begs, and steals to keep their child in the best care possible, untill when they are done they have nothing.
Or they line up in the decimated public sector and wait.
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What do you mean "they have nothing"?....Good god, they have their child!!!
You made.my point perfectly
Its all about choices
No one said that the kid who needs.procedure after procedure wont get it...he will get it according to availability in the "free system". If that is unsuitable, his caregivers can finance/steal/beg/earn the money to pay privately.
If you can do it privately, then you get it done faster.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by huntinstuff
Pay or wait.....so simple
Everyone on this site has the ability to pay $1000 for an MRI. It's just a matter of whats more important to them, their "stuff" or their health
Guys with 2 or 30 rifles complaining about paying for an MRI
Guys with $5000+vehicles/quads/snowmobiles complaining about paying for an MRI
Guys with a computer or smartphone and monthly payments on it complaining about paying for an MRI
Anyone can do it, its just a matter if they have the desire to do it
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This will be another thread and series of quotes I think I'll hang onto for future reflection. Everyone on this site has the ability to pay $1000 for an MRI so says huntinstuff
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10-19-2020, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bessiedog
Well then
This case proves that all procedures are super affordable. It’s just about choices...
What the hell wuz I thinking...?
Cause there’ll never be more expensive stuff than that.....
I’m sorry I was so entirely mistaken. I shoulda realized this issue was so straightforward and simple..... man them UCPers got it figured.
Again, I wunder why folks wuz so stupid to make healthcare universal in the first place..... musta been commie spies....
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Not making a case, just providing an example. It's likely a unicorn, as cases like this obviously don't exist. Just stating that there are other options when it comes down to things.
I also have family in the US that were bankrupted by the medical system down there, so no Mayo clinic for my parents.
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10-19-2020, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
What do you mean "they have nothing"?....Good god, they have their child!!!
You made.my point perfectly
Its all about choices
No one said that the kid who needs.procedure after procedure wont get it...he will get it according to availability in the "free system". If that is unsuitable, his caregivers can finance/steal/beg/earn the money to pay privately.
If you can do it privately, then you get it done faster.
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Your making big assumptions!
Having your child alive and well is always the goal!
But it doesnt always work out that way.
And the curent system will slow if there is a 2nd system built on top.
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This will be another thread and series of quotes I think I'll hang onto for future reflection. Everyone on this site has the ability to pay $1000 for an MRI so says huntinstuff
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Its true
Every goddamn one of them
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Except the one where they always have their child
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10-19-2020, 09:05 PM
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Its true
Every goddamn one of them
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Noted
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This will be another thread and series of quotes I think I'll hang onto for future reflection. Everyone on this site has the ability to pay $1000 for an MRI so says huntinstuff
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Originally Posted by huntinstuff
Its true
Every goddamn one of them
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Unless there are some people posting from flip phones or Commodore 64's
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10-19-2020, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bsmitty27
Your making big assumptions!
Having your child alive and well is always the goal!
But it doesnt always work out that way.
And the curent system will slow if there is a 2nd system built on top.
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Nope. Youre right. It doesnt always work out that way
But id rather be broke knowing i did everything possible
And having a health care system run by the government isnt enough. The option for private care has to be available
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Oh god!!
I’d love to try posting from a C64!!!!
I’d go luxury though and use a high roller Amiga!
Cause I can afford it dammit.
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10-19-2020, 09:14 PM
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Assumptions?
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Originally Posted by bsmitty27
Your making big assumptions!
Having your child alive and well is always the goal!
But it doesnt always work out that way.
And the curent system will slow if there is a 2nd system built on top.
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How do you know this as fact?
Have you traveled to the future?
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Nope. Youre right. It doesnt always work out that way
But id rather be broke knowing i did everything possible
And having a health care system run by the government isnt enough. The option for private care has to be available
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It is availaible?!
I believe you said you paid and got a mri the next day for your parnter. What am i missing?
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How do you know this as fact?
Have you traveled to the future?
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Simple math!
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10-19-2020, 09:22 PM
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You bet I choose what’s better.
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Originally Posted by bessiedog
Did u offer to pay for your neighbor?
What’s better for the community overall?
You ability to choose quality and speed
Or
Increase the quality and speed of all so that the least of us gets better care (al be it marginally)
We certainly do disagree.
But certainly still pay more / do more to better your quality of care despite your stance.
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I would take quality and speed when it matters every time over marginally all the time.
You of all people should know that governments quality and speed are crap and never is going to get better.
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Nope. Youre right. It doesnt always work out that way
But id rather be broke knowing i did everything possible
And having a health care system run by the government isnt enough. The option for private care has to be available
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X2...been there, done that, bought the tee-shirt and still waiting for CRA to cough up
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10-19-2020, 09:26 PM
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This is important.
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Simple math!
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Well could you please lay out the numbers that you have quantified please so I can understand?
I am interested in knowing for sure and yes you could change my mind.
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Well
I believe the govt is us.
And if we really wanted it better/faster/more efficient... we could make it better.
Very few people roll up their sleeves and do some ‘governmenting’... more people should...
Not sure why ‘i of all people‘...should.
But I’m in the Crown a bit and have likely been a dink whilst discussing this.
Sorry bout dat. Gon sign off now.
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I regreat that last post!
It was a smart ass comment.
Im not here to start a ****ing contest.
Everyones experiences bring them to different places in their life. And that allows them to grow their oppionions.
Everyone including me! needs to put ourselves in someone else's shoes once in a while. And just think on it.
So ill try that.
Good night everyone!
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Agree.
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Well
I believe the govt is us.
And if we really wanted it better/faster/more efficient... we could make it better.
Very few people roll up their sleeves and do some ‘governmenting’... more people should...
Not sure why ‘i of all people‘...should.
But I’m in the Crown a bit and have likely been a dink whilst discussing this.
Sorry bout dat. Gon sign off now.
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Well we really do want it and this is about the only way it’s going to happen.
Have a good night and hopefully the head don’t hurt to much tomorrow.
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