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UCP approves policy to create private health-care system in Alberta
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10-18-2020, 07:52 PM
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The wealthy will have better health care. They already do so I see little downside. Maybe losing the best Drs to private health?
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10-18-2020, 07:57 PM
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Good, will most definitely be ran more streamlined, efficient, effective. Not so much bureaucracy B.S. I don’t see a downside. Less people relying on the public system, will speed up wait times for the less fortunate.
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10-18-2020, 07:57 PM
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The truth is, we already have a two tier health system , a premier, or cabinet minister, or even an MLA or an MP is not likely going to wait for treatment like the average citizen. And neither are professional athletes.
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Maybe losing the best Drs to private health?
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Instead of losing them to the USA.
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10-18-2020, 08:05 PM
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If you can afford the best, by all means, pay for it.
It might actually reduce the burden on public health to some extent.
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10-18-2020, 08:24 PM
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Lol
‘Let’s have a choice’....
Dang public healthcare.... jus don’t understand why it ever went public in the first place...
Stupid peasants....
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10-18-2020, 08:53 PM
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Won't save the average person a nickel and the average person can't afford private so Yawn.
If government is involved its only going to cost, cost, cost.
Kenney's a doofus. Do something important like getting the feds in your gunsights and lowering our contributions into THAT cesspool instead.
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10-18-2020, 09:01 PM
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If you can afford the best, by all means, pay for it.
It might actually reduce the burden on public health to some extent.
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That would seem to invalidate the concept of universal health care we hold so dear.
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10-18-2020, 09:36 PM
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Meh works like a charm in Australia, wish we had that type of system.
Though I guess we can cue up the USA healthcare bashing to try make ours look good.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a-eg8YQF-hQ
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10-18-2020, 09:49 PM
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I've been tempted to jump the que and get a private cat scan a few times but my MD came through with only a 2 or 3 week wait.
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10-18-2020, 10:02 PM
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I don't think we're gonna get exactly a 100% similar US-style health care system. I think they're trying to go towards a two-tier Euro-style system instead, which I think is a great idea. Already you have people going for medical tourism anyway to Mexico/US/Thailand/wherever. If they can "free up" space for the public healthcare system, while at the same time still place funding importance and priortization to the public system, why not give it some serious thought and try it?
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10-18-2020, 10:18 PM
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I don't think we're gonna get exactly a 100% similar US-style health care system. I think they're trying to go towards a two-tier Euro-style system instead, which I think is a great idea. Already you have people going for medical tourism anyway to Mexico/US/Thailand/wherever. If they can "free up" space for the public healthcare system, while at the same time still place funding importance and priortization to the public system, why not give it some serious thought and try it?
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Mostly cause it’s already being done in other places so we have a fairly decent idea how it all shakes out. It doesn’t all of a sudden produce more available doctors and specialists it just pulls them in different directions.
“Dr. C. Frank noted that Australia is often used as a model for those advocating for private health insurance in British Columbia and he looked at hip and knee replacements there as a test case for the positive effects of private insurance:
… Contrary to any advantages, according to a recent report by the Council of Australian Governments (COAG) Reform Council in 2011, despite having a large and expanding private system for elective orthopaedic surgical care, public patients waiting for knee replacement surgery suffered the longest delays of any surgical discipline in their country. Between 2009-2011 in Australia, COAG reported that national median waiting times for knee replacement surgery in their public system increased from 156 to 180 days and that waiting in their two worst regions (Tasmania and NSW) rose to 431 days and 301 days respectively. This happened despite having a public system whose waiting times were purportedly "being improved by having patients removed from the public queue" into a parallel private system. By way of comparison, Alberta's public health care system in 2013, without a private care option, has a current median wait time for total hip replacements of 98 days from consent to surgery while the current median in Australia is 116 days. In Alberta, the median wait time for a knee replacement is currently 111.3 days while in Australia it is 184 days.”
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10-18-2020, 10:25 PM
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Wouldn’t a private health care system gradually climb to astronomical fees over time? I’m pretty sure that’s right 
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10-18-2020, 10:47 PM
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I don’t like the sounds of that.
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10-18-2020, 10:55 PM
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No, no, no...it will save buckets of money and things will be cheaper and better. Yeah right, nothing ever helps the average joe anymore.
Just saw a pic of Kenny signing a health care promise if elected to not screw around with the health care system. I dont trust one word that comes from his office, and no matter how appealing it looks “on paper”, it will get screwed up and become a disaster.
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10-18-2020, 11:11 PM
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If my family members can get the medical assistance they need faster Im all for it
"Free" is not a word I look for
If my partner needs a CT or MRI I call, pay and shes there the next day. We have done it before and Id do it again in a heartbeat. Money means crap if your family needs medical help
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More screwing of the middle and lower class. You can bet your bottom dollar his donors and cronies stand to make bookoo $$$
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as long as they maintain public health, with no disruptions to service i am alright with it.
if the average person suffers because of it, it can go to hell
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10-19-2020, 01:57 AM
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If my family members can get the medical assistance they need faster Im all for it
"Free" is not a word I look for
If my partner needs a CT or MRI I call, pay and shes there the next day. We have done it before and Id do it again in a heartbeat. Money means crap if your family needs medical help
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That’s how I see it.
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After using the health care here in Queensland I much prefer this system. We’ve used both the public and private system. Wait times are minimal, on the public side, call and make and appointment, walk in when your appointment is and go in to see the doc. If the kids sick and you go to the walk in without any appointment your always in to see the doctor within twenty minutes.
On the private side you make an appointment, go in and see the doc. No wait and usually about an $80 up front cost of which my private health reimburses us most of that fee. For a family of five we pay $240 a fortnight which includes all the same perks as my benefits in Canada did including chiro, drug costs, dental, optometrist, private hospital stays etc.
We spent about two weeks in the hospital (public) with the 2 year old and had our own room, a food menu, room service, cable TV and an entire team of doctors and nurses working on our little girl. We haven’t been admitted a private hospital but from what we’ve heard it’s better. What we saw here once admitted compared to what I saw in Alberta I’ll take this 7 days a week.
Another expat we live near and I work with had an incident at CrossFit. Drove himself to the private clinic, the doc saw him immediately and they got an X-ray in house. Then he was sent straight over to the private hospital and he had an MRI done within minutes of getting there. From the MRI he spoke to a doctor and was given his options. He had surgery scheduled the next day for his elbow with his choice of surgeon. He paid the excess for his hospital admission when he was admitted and a small fee for the MRI. In his words the service was unbelievable.
The gov gives tax incentives to have private health that wean down so at $170k a year gross income you get no discounts. We don’t get any discounts so the $240 a fortnight is the most anyone pays for our level of cover. If you make less money you pay less. The choice is always ours if we want to use the private or the public system. Compared to what my benefits cost me in Alberta this is still cheaper and there are options to have them cover more or less procedures and percentages of cover as well as the excess we want to pay for admission, MRI’s, fertility assistance etc. which affects the monthly cost.
I’m sure Alberta could mess it up but from what experience we’ve had with it here I think this is a far better system. The post above with the long wait times and horror story sounds like the author (not the OP) was pushing an agenda. I haven’t spoken to anyone over here waiting very long for care but I do know my mom waited 18 months for her hip surgery in Alberta.
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I am all for this.Not saying that i could afford to partake.I just think,that it might shorten up the waiting list.Also compettion is good.
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10-19-2020, 06:04 AM
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Love it. I'm done with sitting in a doc-in-a-box clinic for hours only to end up seeing a "doc" who barely speaks english and who was "educated" in some third world craphole. I'll happily pay to see a real doctor with no delay, expedite any testing I need and get proper healthcare.
3 people I know died because our joke of a public healthcare system kept them waiting for critical testing and treatment until it was too late. I know of 2 more who got the treatment they needed and are alive today because they said screw it and paid, one using private options in Canada and the other travelling to the US.
Competition is good. The private sector will always be faster, better quality and more efficient than government.
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10-19-2020, 06:09 AM
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If run correctly I could see it as a good thing but if run poorly it could be a real mess
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Canada is ranked at #30 on the World Health Organization's health care list, so I'm not sure why so many people defend our current system so vigorously, other than for pure political partisan reasons or lack of information. Surely we can improve from #30, and many if not most of the countries ahead of Canada have a combination of public and privately funded health care.
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Ahhh MEDICARE! The sacred cow of Canadian politics. This will be an interesting discussion. 
The left wing folks start squawking immediately when any politician even dares breathe the word.
Seems to me the truth is, like it or not we have always had a two tier system and I would even go as far as to say three tiers. Think about Joe Lunch Bucket compared to Mr. CEO. Both diagnosed with cancer. Joe goes to health care and works his way through the system. Mr. CEO gets on the phone, calls the Mayo clinic, gets an appointment for tomorrow, jumps on a plane and he's getting treatment in 24 hours. The third tier..... well, how long do you think the turd waits to see a doctor? His family? He picks up the phone and a top notch doc is walking into his office in twenty minutes! Not only a house call, but even an office call. If I recall correctly, he even has a doctor with him when he travels. Well I suppose he is an impotent person! Pretty much the same for his family. No doubt most, if not all of his cronies get the same treatment! 
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Doing a little research on what is actually bring proposed, and how it works in Australia I don't see having two options as such a bad thing. Of course some people are so afraid of anything not run by the government, that they will immediately attack the idea.
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If my family members can get the medical assistance they need faster Im all for it
"Free" is not a word I look for
If my partner needs a CT or MRI I call, pay and shes there the next day. We have done it before and Id do it again in a heartbeat. Money means crap if your family needs medical help
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