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Old 03-24-2023, 06:04 AM
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What part? The part where fish and game officers make up policy for the government or where political partyís donít do thing for their base because they donít gain votes if they pander to their base they lose votes.

Do you think maybe they havenít put back in a grizzly hunt yet because they are working on the management plan for the species right now?
The fact of the matter is the grizzly hunt is a political issue and parties are more worried about votes than science. Now I am basing this off of how things played out with the grizzly hunt in BC when I lived there. Alberta definitely is different and a big reason why I am here but I donít trust politicians regardless

I would be happy if I was proven wrong
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Old 03-24-2023, 02:33 PM
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Good idea, and manageable IMO.

As the title of this thread says.
Implement a Nuisance bear management program.
The program can be for indigenous (no tag) or non.
Let the tree huggers figure it out that it applies for either natives or non.
But with indigenous in the title, likely little opposition.

Tags are draw and are valid on private land and within 2-3 miles of adjacent crown as well.

Land owners register, (evidence of bear problems) and successful drawn, or natives connect with the land owners for access.

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Old 03-24-2023, 04:43 PM
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Good idea, and manageable IMO.

As the title of this thread says.
Implement a Nuisance bear management program.
The program can be for indigenous (no tag) or non.
Let the tree huggers figure it out that it applies for either natives or non.
But with indigenous in the title, likely little opposition.

Tags are draw and are valid on private land and within 2-3 miles of adjacent crown as well.

Land owners register, (evidence of bear problems) and successful drawn, or natives connect with the land owners for access.

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Doesn't give the rest of us a shot at a bear and good excuse to deny it.

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Old 03-24-2023, 05:50 PM
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Doesn't give the rest of us a shot at a bear and good excuse to deny it.

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Yep, If they let indigenous cull grizzlies there will be no hope of ever bringing back a draw season for anybody who isn't native.
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Old 03-26-2023, 12:09 AM
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Farmers with problem grizz donít care who shoots them.
And maybe a program that allows a combo of a native hunt and a non native draw on the Ag fringe is a good first step.

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Old 03-26-2023, 01:16 AM
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Farmers with problem grizz donít care who shoots them.
And maybe a program that allows a combo of a native hunt and a non native draw on the Ag fringe is a good first step.

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I offered a similar suggestion to one of the GB biologists that presented a meeting down here quite a few years ago now. I pushed it and it never went anywhere, obviously.

They didnít want to hear a hunting option of any sort. The big push around here now is, live with the bears.

Waterton biosphere is another big joke. Live with the bears, even if they are a threat to your family and livestock.

Political joke for the most part.
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Old 03-26-2023, 07:48 AM
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Old 03-26-2023, 09:00 AM
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Yep, If they let indigenous cull grizzlies there will be no hope of ever bringing back a draw season for anybody who isn't native.
Who is stopping Indians from culling grizzlies?
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Old 03-26-2023, 12:19 PM
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Who is stopping Indians from culling grizzlies?
Nobody is stopping them. Should have said if the public advocates grizzly population control be handed over to natives (as some here have suggested) then it would be highly unlikely there would ever be a season for anyone else.
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Old 03-26-2023, 12:30 PM
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I offered a similar suggestion to one of the GB biologists that presented a meeting down here quite a few years ago now. I pushed it and it never went anywhere, obviously.

They didnít want to hear a hunting option of any sort. The big push around here now is, live with the bears.

Waterton biosphere is another big joke. Live with the bears, even if they are a threat to your family and livestock.

Political joke for the most part.
Absolutely. Itís all about politicsÖ.
Biologists do their job (and do it well, IMO). But they make recommendations, they donít set policy. I would imagine they know as well as all of us that when youíre on the eastern slopes, you can see that grizzlies have expanded their range and numbers to what is quite frankly, getting to be dangerous. We donít live in the 1800ís and deadly bear encounters are only going to go up and up. They can make all the recommendations they want, but as long as the political will isnít there, the hunt wonít be reinstated.
I really think they should - especially east of the trunk road, where population density is higher and thereís a higher potential for negative human-bear interactions. But Iíd bet it wonít come back. Not while politics and feelings overrule logic and biology.
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Old 03-26-2023, 12:38 PM
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then it would be highly unlikely there would ever be a season for anyone else.
There will never be a season for anyone else. Period.
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:23 PM
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There will never be a season for anyone else. Period.
And I agree with this also.

We can argue/debate about this till we are blue in the face. The fact is, the political theater, anti groups, and the woke agenda are controlling this.

Let's face it folks, there will never be another draw grizzly hunt for the privileged folks.

I will not comment on the Native proposed contribution to "fix" to this alleged issue....
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Old 03-27-2023, 09:50 AM
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I have an indigenous relative that might be interested to assist a farmer and take a grizzly.

To be clear, I am not myself with a status card, but would probably go with them.

It's not unusual to get some commentary in this sort of situation about using an indigenous person to shoot more game or out of season. That's not my interest, the risk of losing a rifle and vehicle to such activities makes me hesitant to even be present to an indigenous person hunting. My brothers wife is also an indigenous person and he has had some CO's pretend to be detectives and play games with them to try and get some sort of incriminating statement with random phone calls pretending to be someone else. Funny story...

She shoots an x-bolt 30-06 but prefers his A-bolt 300WM believe it or not and only shoots for the deep freeze.

But to be honest I wouldn't mind trying to foster a relationship where respectful hunting access may be supported, and future problem bears can be dispatched. If dispatching a bear takes a few days, some assistance to find a camping spot within 20-30 minutes would be helpful.

Normally I travel to the spirit river / peace river area in the fall for hunting but live in Calgary.

Feel free to PM only if your looking for assistance and we can chat on a phone later.
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Old 03-27-2023, 09:56 AM
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And I agree with this also.

We can argue/debate about this till we are blue in the face. The fact is, the political theater, anti groups, and the woke agenda are controlling this.

Let's face it folks, there will never be another draw grizzly hunt for the privileged folks.

I will not comment on the Native proposed contribution to "fix" to this alleged issue....
Agreed this is my thinking also there will never be another hunting season for Grizzlies
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Old 03-27-2023, 10:55 AM
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Mortality is mortality period, no different than what neighboring states such as Montana are currently experiencing with their legislation for reinstatement or consideration if figures allow for state control of resources versus Federal. Hunters and producers need to understand the relationship as a whole as it is an all in figure period, no matter jurisdiction.
As a suggestion, have look at what Montana is currently navigating through to seek state control of Grizzly Bear resources versus Federal control and listing.

Again, mortality is mortality at the end of the day.
Whether it be at the hand of MVA, natural cause, predation control from producers, or any other conflict from humans or industry.
Be it some numbers games are ongoing to satisfy certain groups, the mortality rate will depict the outcome. PERIOD... Management of in the interm requires transparency which we all know has not been the case. Supported by political sway and influence.

Montana has done a heck of a lot of leg work to again seek control at the state level. From the hunter perspective a hunt is no where on the horizon as long as bears are eliminated due to predation control. Meanwhile producers seek an answer to said predation as bear mortality brings stiff penalties should it be result of the producer or hunter.
In the end whether it be native or non, mortality is mortality when viewed.

Have a follow of what Montana has done to date.
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