Can I transport a 120 gal propane cylinder

[roots]

I need to move a 420 liter, 120 gal, propane cylinder. It is approximately 2/3 full and is type that looks like 20# BBQ tank but bigger. I think it is safe to transport without TDG or paperwork but I want to comfirm first.

[35 whelen]

Think you have to transport it standing up ?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by 35 whelen

Think you have to transport it standing up ?

If memory serves me right this would fall under the welders rule of allowed to transport no more than five cylinders or no more than 450kg without TDG certification. Properly secured upright and can be identified as propane and you should be good to go but I would call transport Canada to clarify because with this forum as I just did we chime in and there are a few ding dongs here

[roots]

I think the valve has to be above the vapor space like most cylinders with liquid. I know you can transport 100 pound cylinders but a 420 pounder is getting big and I would hate to be pulled over.

[OldJoe]

Originally Posted by roots

I think the valve has to be above the vapor space like most cylinders with liquid. I know you can transport 100 pound cylinders but a 420 pounder is getting big and I would hate to be pulled over.

My wife the safety gal says one cylinder is fine, just upright and secured.

[roughneckin]

This will help you out

http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...on/propane.pdf

it revolves around it being + or - 500kgs.

[Ebrand]

1 800 272 9600

Call them. 24/7/365

120 gallons is over the 454 liter capacity that exempts you from a bunch of stuff ( if I remember things correctly under 100 gallon capacity was sort of exempted)

Call for sure.

[roots]

Originally Posted by Ebrand

1 800 272 9600

Call them. 24/7/365

120 gallons is over the 454 liter capacity that exempts you from a bunch of stuff ( if I remember things correctly under 100 gallon capacity was sort of exempted)

Call for sure.

Ya, I did read that in doing research but I can't find it again. For some reason I interpreted as a 120 gal tank filled at 80% capacity so it actually has less then 100 gallons of propane.

[Ebrand]

I am willing to bet it is based on capacity for a tank.

[roots]

I wonder if this explains something-
100 imp gal = 120 US gal

[Ebrand]

Canadian rules are based on metric. 454 litres is the volume limit. ( if I am remembering correctly )

A 454 litre tank of propane ( max fill by law is 80 or 85 percent ) still when it explodes a 454 liter explosion. The liquid is not the entire issue. The vapour inside is what has the higher flash point and is more combustible. By regulating the tank size there is no guess work as to how much is actually inside.

Call them. They will tell you exactly what you need.

[Frost Fighter]

The capacity of that tank is 80 gallons to the 80 percent level. This is equivalent to the capacity of four 100lb. Cylinder. Best to have a "1075" TDG decal for transporting and transport upright and secured.

[stinkynuts]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

If memory serves me right this would fall under the welders rule of allowed to transport no more than five cylinders or no more than 450kg without TDG certification. Properly secured upright and can be identified as propane and you should be good to go but I would call transport Canada to clarify because with this forum as I just did we chime in and there are a few ding dongs here

or 600l if I remember right but I wiuld still put 4 2in stick on placards on the bottle on 4 sides

[Ebrand]

Originally Posted by Frost Fighter

The capacity of that tank is 80 gallons to the 80 percent level. This is equivalent to the capacity of four 100lb. Cylinder. Best to have a "1075" TDG decal for transporting and transport upright and secured.

The tank capacity (what the tank can physically hold) is 120 gallons according to the OP.

The 80% fill rule leaves room for 20% expansion.

The rules are based on the capacity of the tank not the amount of product in it.

Call the 1800 number they will help you out with any questions and you get the answer from the horse's mouth. The calls are all recorded. They will not BS you.

[Dick284]

Gallons?
Taint been any of those around these parts for a very long time.......

How many litres?

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

Sorry to drag up an old thread, but there never was a definitive answer.

my reading of the TC regs is you can NOT transport anything 30kg or over

Even with the exemptions, that is for a TOTAL combined weight, NOT an individual cylinder weight.

So, my understanding is, 100 lb tanks require training, DG handling, proper placards, proper carriage, documentation etc...


has anyone gotten a RULE from T.C. on this?

[JDK71]

it must be empty to move

[coreya3212]

Originally Posted by JDK71

it must be empty to move

No they do not. They are moved full all the time on the end of well site shacks...

[JDK71]

not sure about on a shack but if you are moving them from site to site we were told from highways they must be empty to move with are one ton trucks this is what we were told

[bubba 96]

https://www.transportation.alberta.c...on/propane.pdf

found this, also when I took my tdg, if you have a farm plate their are lots of exemptions..

Sorry just saw link has been posted already..

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by JDK71

not sure about on a shack but if you are moving them from site to site we were told from highways they must be empty to move with are one ton trucks this is what we were told

I was told the same thing and I've seen them transported by oil field carriers, full or partially full. Perhaps illegally?

It can be done phyisically. I have done it, all be it off road.

[J0HN_R1]

Originally Posted by nanuk-O-dah-Nort

Sorry to drag up an old thread, but there never was a definitive answer.

my reading of the TC regs is you can NOT transport anything 30kg or over

Even with the exemptions, that is for a TOTAL combined weight, NOT an individual cylinder weight.

So, my understanding is, 100 lb tanks require training, DG handling, proper placards, proper carriage, documentation etc...


has anyone gotten a RULE from T.C. on this?

I drive for a living, and have my TDG...

This is the part anyone here should be concerned with. You can drive anywhere in the province with 5 tanks or less and a combined weight of 1000lbs.

Class 2, Gases, in Small Means of Containment Exemption (Section 1.32.3)

A common use of propane is as a welding gas. The TDG Regulations contain an exemption that allows for the transportation of propane, acetylene, compressed air, compressed argon, carbon dioxide, mixtures of methylacetylene and propadiene, compressed nitrogen and/or compressed oxygen, without any dangerous goods documentation or training if the following conditions are complied with:

• the dangerous goods are contained in no more than 5 small means of containment;
• the gross mass of the dangerous goods is less than or equal to 500 kg; and
• the labels displayed on the small means of containment can be seen from outside the road vehicle.