Our Legal System Is A Joke

[elkhunter11]

So this refugee will not be tried for murder, because the system took too long to get his case to court. And with Trudeau in charge, I wonder if he will be back in a few months as a refugee?

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loca...es-deportation

[Moo Snukkle]

How can he become a taxpayer in jail? Ahhhh, the French get all the breaks. Wonder what the outcome of this case would be if the perp was an Alberta businessman and his wife? If Ab guy is found guilty, could he claim prejudice because his case was rushed through and not dilly dallied like Mr Refugee?

[Okotokian]

I think a lot of criminals of all races have been freed because of this rule.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

I think a lot of criminals of all races have been freed because of this rule.

True, but deportation should be like Chinese capital punishment, out the back of the court house and Gone.

Grizz

[curtz]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

True, but deportation should be like Chinese capital punishment, out the back of the court house and Gone.

Grizz

I like that, don't **** around, done and carry on. If we had a system like that that poor lawyers would go broke.

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

True, but deportation should be like Chinese capital punishment, out the back of the court house and Gone.

Grizz

And if I remember correctly, the family is charged for the bullet that had to be used.

Maybe we should give this form of quick justice a try ... who's first?

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[amosfella]

To a degree, it was bound to happen. 3-5 years for a trial to be set??? Witnesses forget things, or they are altered in their minds. Evidence goes missing in huge warehouses. Cops get transferred, and have to be flown back every time there's a hearing.... The legal process was becoming plain stupid.

Changes needed to be made, and I think that the ruling that lead to this guy being released as well as a few in Alberta, are needed to get the court to actually streamline the cases, and take a second look about whether charges should be laid, and whether the Crown has a reasonable chance of success, as compared to charging everyone, and hoping most plead it out.

[Bigwoodsman]

Our legal system is beyond messed up. It needs a complete re-write and without the influence of a liberal senate. Guys like Vince Lee aka Wil Baker need and Matt deGrood in Calgary are making a mockery of this country's legal system.

BW

[Unregistered user]

He admitted it, shoot the ****er then deport him.

[Suzukisam]

Make the defence lawyer serve the time with his client if he loses that way they won't take on the guilty ones so fast.

[nelsonob1]

The Outdoorsmen Hounds are baying for blood again.

Kill the lawyers, judges, liberals and all their terrorist loving kin!!

All hail Outdoorsmen.

[James Henry]

I dealt with the court system quite abit in my previous career. The judge starts court at 0900 (ish) then breaks for lunch at 1100. Court resumes at 1400 and is usually done by 1530. Can't understand why there is a back up in the system.

[TBD]

and they should all have to work for their daily bread !

not a penny of tax money should go to feeding - clothing or entertainment them while waiting for trial ....

Originally Posted by nelsonob1

The Outdoorsmen Hounds are baying for blood again.

Kill the lawyers, judges, liberals and all their terrorist loving kin!!

All hail Outdoorsmen.

Heil outdoorsmen !

Originally Posted by James Henry

I dealt with the court system quite abit in my previous career. The judge starts court at 0900 (ish) then breaks for lunch at 1100. Court resumes at 1400 and is usually done by 1530. Can't understand why there is a back up in the system.

and home in their hush puppies by four !

[zabbo]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So this refugee will not be tried for murder, because the system took too long to get his case to court. And with Trudeau in charge, I wonder if he will be back in a few months as a refugee?

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loca...es-deportation

No insult, but.....................you're just now realizing the legal system has some problems????

[silverdoctor]

I think a good start would be to take a page from BC, where police don't actually charge people - they only recommend them.

Not murder, but case in point against drugs, police are overzealous with charges with no chance of conviction. Charge them all, throw what you can at the wall, lets see what sticks - frivolous.

But yet, police are frustrated with the court systems, kind of shooting themselves in the foot... Then it's up to the courts and the crown to decide to push forward on charges or drop them. Either way, this is part of the problem, waste of time. Police have leeway in dealing with people, but they are more apt to charge instead of using common sense.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/03/16/...onto-pot-shops

Yeah, lawyers are a problem, judges are a problem, the list is long.

[winger7mm]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

I think a good start would be to take a page from BC, where police don't actually charge people - they only recommend them.

Not murder, but case in point against drugs, police are overzealous with charges with no chance of conviction. Charge them all, throw what you can at the wall, lets see what sticks - frivolous.

But yet, police are frustrated with the court systems, kind of shooting themselves in the foot... Then it's up to the courts and the crown to decide to push forward on charges or drop them. Either way, this is part of the problem, waste of time. Police have leeway in dealing with people, but they are more apt to charge instead of using common sense.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/03/16/...onto-pot-shops

Yeah, lawyers are a problem, judges are a problem, the list is long.

A local incident this past winter where 2 women left kids in a car (not running) on a cold December night so they could drink at a bar. The police ended up smashing out the window to rescue the kid/s.... They were in court for it, but nothing came of it because their lawyer wanted a "better date to have a trial"... Ummm how about right then because you were IN COURT already for it.

Our system is a complete joke and I agree 100%!!

[bat119]

If our legal system wasn't a joke the term " repeat offender" wouldn't exist.

Almost every serious crime is committed by experienced criminals at least in this case he's another countries problem for now anyway.

[jrowan]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

I think a good start would be to take a page from BC, where police don't actually charge people - they only recommend them.

Not murder, but case in point against drugs, police are overzealous with charges with no chance of conviction. Charge them all, throw what you can at the wall, lets see what sticks - frivolous.

But yet, police are frustrated with the court systems, kind of shooting themselves in the foot... Then it's up to the courts and the crown to decide to push forward on charges or drop them. Either way, this is part of the problem, waste of time. Police have leeway in dealing with people, but they are more apt to charge instead of using common sense.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/03/16/...onto-pot-shops

Yeah, lawyers are a problem, judges are a problem, the list is long.

I would suspect that what we are experiencing today is largely the result of the cuts made back in 2009 and 2010 (graph in first link below, % of GDP spent on justice, fig. 1-2 is what I'm talking about) to funding. Sure it's not the only problem but with a growing population and inflation you have to keep spending more to hire new lawyers and judges in order to keep up. Plus pair funding cuts with already lower wages compared to private firms and not only are you struggling to fund more positions but you are also struggling to fill them.

For the people discussing court times, I happen to have a family member who is a lawyer and they work some of the craziest hours. Judges are the same. Sure the courts are open 9am-5:30pm but that is just court room time. Lots of time is spent outside the court room settling cases before they go to trial and get into a court room (Yes judges are sometimes involved in this process).

http://www.pbo-dpb.gc.ca/web/default...me_Cost_EN.pdf

Article from 2009 regarding the cuts:
http://www.acelaw.ca/appimages/file/...r-Fall2009.pdf

Article from 2013 regarding lack of increased funding, too much evidence:
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...se-in-evidence

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by James Henry

I dealt with the court system quite abit in my previous career. The judge starts court at 0900 (ish) then breaks for lunch at 1100. Court resumes at 1400 and is usually done by 1530. Can't understand why there is a back up in the system.

I deal with it now. They start at 08:30 and sometimes do not close for dinner. They have stayed 4 extra hours just to finish a case. Things have changed? (Lloydminster/Vermilion)

[Wolftrapper]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

I deal with it now. They start at 08:30 and sometimes do not close for dinner. They have stayed 4 extra hours just to finish a case. Things have changed? (Lloydminster/Vermilion)

This has always been my experience as well. Only once in a Supreme Court case did I ever see them stop for lunch.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

I think a good start would be to take a page from BC, where police don't actually charge people - they only recommend them.

Not murder, but case in point against drugs, police are overzealous with charges with no chance of conviction. Charge them all, throw what you can at the wall, lets see what sticks - frivolous.

But yet, police are frustrated with the court systems, kind of shooting themselves in the foot... Then it's up to the courts and the crown to decide to push forward on charges or drop them. Either way, this is part of the problem, waste of time. Police have leeway in dealing with people, but they are more apt to charge instead of using common sense.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/03/16/...onto-pot-shops

Yeah, lawyers are a problem, judges are a problem, the list is long.

And then no one gets charged because crowns aren't willing to try diffixukt and lengthy cases because they're lazy or political. Which is the case right now and a significant battle in BC.

Ask a victim how they'd feel about that. There is more to the system than this simplistic view.

The issue is the accused and defence counsel are given incredulous leeway, the crowns are not and the judges for the most part are detached and entitled.

Crowns and judges need elected or contracted terms period.

[does it ALL outdoors]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

True, but deportation should be like Chinese capital punishment, out the back of the court house and Gone.

Grizz

The Chinese don't play around. They remind me of Texas, just give em a reason.

Quick and economical via death vans, what's old is new again


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ck-market.html

Sorry for the derail

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So this refugee will not be tried for murder, because the system took too long to get his case to court. And with Trudeau in charge, I wonder if he will be back in a few months as a refugee?

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loca...es-deportation

We do have a queen running our country now...maybe they will become lovers!

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by rem338win

And then no one gets charged because crowns aren't willing to try diffixukt and lengthy cases because they're lazy or political. Which is the case right now and a significant battle in BC.

Ask a victim how they'd feel about that. There is more to the system than this simplistic view.

The issue is the accused and defence counsel are given incredulous leeway, the crowns are not and the judges for the most part are detached and entitled.

Crowns and judges need elected or contracted terms period.

Which specific case do you speak of? BC courts are still clogged up too. Looks to be quite a few cases up for dismissal due to the time limit.