Proposal that all firearms and ammunition be in separate locked cases while in a vehicle on all maintained roads

[jaybull]

What a crock!

[AxeMan]

First it's PETA after us and now the Alberta Beef Producers. Who would of figured... Shame on you Rick McKnight.

CONCERN:
I propose that all Alberta beef producers must have 6 foot chain link fences to keep their cattle off the roads. The wreakless practice of 3 strand barb wire fences is creating a potential safety hazard to motorists, livestock, property, and all others in the vicinity. - just kidding but this is how ridiculous their proposal sounds to us.

[elkhunter11]

Perhaps a strongly worded letter to Rick McKnight outlining the fact that it would be difficult to support Alberta beef if they attempt to continue with this farce would help them realize that they are taking the wrong track

I have letters to both the Alberta Beef Producers,and Ted Knight voicing my concerns over this proposal.

[2fast4uRuss]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

First it's PETA after us and now the Alberta Beef Producers. Who would of figured... Shame on you Rick McKnight.

CONCERN:
I propose that all Alberta beef producers must have 6 foot chain link fences to keep their cattle off the roads. The wreakless practice of 3 strand barb wire fences is creating a potential safety hazard to motorists, livestock, property, and all others in the vicinity. - just kidding but this is how ridiculous their proposal sounds to us.

That is actually so brillliant it should put it in context for them...tell them if they are going to put forth changes to things that effect us we will push to have them go to extremes to ensure our safety as well....how about doing every range road, every grid road, highway, road allowance fence 6ft to ensure our safety I wonder how fast they would back peddle..

[leo]

What is the difference between a fool on foot shooting a cow , or a fool in a vehicle shooting one ? How can any one pass legislation to fix "Stupid". Shooting off a road way in Alberta is illegal, why a new law to reinforce the old law? I think that some bunny huggin Some beech is infiltrating the ranks of the Alberta Beef Producers

[Scar270]

I've been in contact with some former executives of Alberta Beef, sounds to me like this is probably the brainchild of Walter Santjens, and not necessarily a widely supported issue. While it doesn't change the weight SRD is likely to give it, it means that if we get every beef producer we know to start sending in emails and complaining, odds are something can be changed, I don't think this is widely supported by the organization.

So get your beef producer friends to send in complaints about this policy, I think some uproar should be able to get this removed. Especially since it sounds like the checkoff for Alberta Beef is about to become optional if I understood correctly, so this isn't the best time for them to start ****ing off there members.

[hillbillyreefer]

Taken from the ABP site. All the names and phone numbers of our commie buddies.
If this oversteps some bounds delete it.

These guys have created a turd storm and need to be in the middle of it. Give them a call, be polite and tell them why they are wrong. Also mention that you will be shopping for beef from anywhere but Alberta. If you are a producer let them know you will be requesting your checkoff money back.


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[mudbug]

Here's what I sent to Rick McKnight


Re; " Proposal that all firearms and ammunition be in separate locked cases while in a vehicle on all maintained road ".

If your group continues to push for this legislation I will no longer support your organization or any grown in Alberta Beef product. This is an insult to law abiding Albertans who have supported your industry through many hard times the last few years. The people that commit the infractions that you are trying to address will continue to do so regardless of what legislation is in place. The Federal Liberals failed firearm registry is proof that such legislation only targets law abiding citizens. All that you will be accomplishing is punishing people who are not breaking any laws and who are already fed up with more legislation that does nothing other than hinder honest people.

[Scar270]

Hillbillyreefer, are you coming to the range tonight? I printed off the ABP policy and this list of numbers to hand around, I hope there will be some phones ringing off the hook in the next couple days.

[hillbillyreefer]

Sorry can't make it tonight. Too much work to do. Ironically I'm busy moving cows.

[Scar270]

Update:

I have received the attached letter from the Alberta Beef Producers.

[Jamie]

Basicly what they are saying is that this is a "IDEA"

Basicly what I am saying is that this is a "STUPID IDEA"

Jamie

[Scar270]

I agree, I think we need to put some pressure on Alberta Beef to get that resolution retracted, and make sure Santjen no longer has the ability to do things like that. The letter is basically damage control for something most of them had no idea happened.

[NCC]

I just got off the phone with the director for my area and he said that this proposal isn't going anywhere and never made it past the Wildlife sub committee.

[hillbillyreefer]

New letter sent in response to the form letter sent out.


There are already laws on the books to deal with discharge of firearms from public roadways. Could you please explain to me how another law would help deal with that? The original law is being ignored, why would one brought into existence by the ABP be obeyed? Your logic is severely flawed.

I'd like to see a copy of the letter you sent to SRD withdrawing your proposal. Until then, I will continue to encourage other producers to demand their checkoff money back. The backlash against Alberta Beef is going to cost all producers money, and it needs to cost you your chunk of my money.

Thank You,

[Scar270]

I'd call your rep back, even in the letter it says the proposal will be taken to the Alberta Game Management Advisory Group.

Tell him you want the ABP to send in a letter of retraction, and get Santjen removed from any positions he has, as he is apperently very out of touch with the members.

[hillbillyreefer]

Just received this reply from ABP:

Hi



Your best bet is to call Rick McKnight on this issue. Rick is on the Wildlife Sub Committee. His number is 780-681-2165. He should be able to answer any questions you have.


I guess this is the guy we need. They must be getting tired of all the nasty emails at the office. Good the message must be starting to get through.

[Scar270]

Go get him, and any other beef producers please do the same.

[decker]

Do you really think this would solve anything, I'm sure it's not all cattle producers that want this. Nothing like painting everyone with the same brush.

Originally Posted by noelb

Guess I'll buy my beef from out of province from now on. If I can't find any, fair enough, I'll eat other meat. Next time we have a mad cow scare, too bad. I won't support these guys. Enough legislation. These guys are jack ass's.

[noelb]

Not all hunters shootin' cows either. So until the body that represents beef producers lays off, I'm not buying any beef.

[noelb]

Glad to see that at least the're now listening, but am still feeling a little burned by the origional proposal.

[Scar270]

So are a lot of beef producers, but don't let that stop you from contacting them and letting them know how you feel about the proposal, and if they try to worm out of it as not being a ABP policy (which I think is maybe true) ask them why Santjen has the authority to come up with that crap on his own, and ask them why he still has that authority after this screw up.

[RumRugby]

Originally Posted by decker

Do you really think this would solve anything, I'm sure it's not all cattle producers that want this. Nothing like painting everyone with the same brush.

I agree that it's probably not all cattle producers that want this sort of regulation, HOWEVER, the Alberta Beef Producers are the representatives of well. . .the alberta beef producers which would lead the average person to believe that the views of the representative are that of the represented. The ABP website does say:
"The more than 35,000 beef cattle producers who are stewards of the industry in this province have one organization that represents their collective interests – the Alberta Beef Producers (ABP)."

Perhaps the Alberta Beef Producers should have consulted with All beef producers prior to making such a proposal. . .on the other hand, maybe they did, it's rather vague where the idea originated from, the organization or the producers themselves.

First it's registration, then ristrictions, then there will be confiscation. . .soon we'll all be wearing hemp clothing and eating nothing but tofurkey and gerbil pellets!!

[oilngas]

just sent an email with my concerns, thanks for bringing this forward.

[Scar270]

[decker]

Just got off the phone with Rick, his intentions were to stimulate more discussion between land owners and SRD and Hunters to reduce the amount or road hunters that are not prepared for hunting rural communities.
And what is meant by not prepared is not knowing any owners of the land or carrying a county map so know who to contact for permission and for knowing where dwellings are located.

All in all he did create alot of discussion but not in the right areas.

[Okotokian]

OK, call me an idiot (hey, many of you have LOL) but what exactly do we mean by "road hunting"? Even the Pres of the Beef producers uses the term without definition in his letter. I sense people are often talking about different things.

When we say "road hunter" are we talking about:
1. Someone who discharges a firearms illegally from a roadway?
2. Someone who drives around scouting and then trespasses (enters land they don't have permission to hunt) to access an animal they have seen?
3. Somone who drives up and down roads scouting, then attempts to get permission to access once they have seen game?

When people on here gripe about "road hunters" I'm never sure exactly which group they are referring to. The first two are already illegal and the third, while disdained by many here, is perfectly legal and more an issue of hunting preferences (or ethics if you will).

[decker]

I would consider all three a definition of a road hunter.

Originally Posted by Okotokian

OK, call me an idiot (hey, many of you have LOL) but what exactly do we mean by "road hunting"? Even the Pres of the Beef producers uses the term without definition in his letter. I sense people are often talking about different things.

When we say "road hunter" are we talking about:
1. Someone who discharges a firearms illegally from a roadway?
2. Someone who drives around scouting and then trespasses (enters land they don't have permission to hunt) to access an animal they have seen?
3. Somone who drives up and down roads scouting, then attempts to get permission to access once they have seen game?

When people on here gripe about "road hunters" I'm never sure exactly which group they are referring to. The first two are already illegal and the third, while disdained by many here, is perfectly legal and more an issue of hunting preferences (or ethics if you will).

[Scar270]

I wonder if they realize that this means every farmer going from one field to the next with his coyote gun is going to have to stop and lock up his gun and his ammo, go 2 miles, stop and reverse the procedure.

Somehow I would guess if this was to ever come to be, beef producers would be some of the most likely people to be charged under this.

[NCC]

"The more than 35,000 beef cattle producers who are stewards of the industry in this province have one organization that represents their collective interests – the Alberta Beef Producers (ABP)."

Perhaps the Alberta Beef Producers should have consulted with All beef producers prior to making such a proposal. . .on the other hand, maybe they did, it's rather vague where the idea originated from, the organization or the producers themselves.

When a producer sells a critter the ABP takes a check off, so by default the producer becomes a member. There are several organizations that represent ranchers who become members intentionally.

The new firearms proposal was brought forward by a few members of a small sub committee. The proposal does not represent the general consensus of the Alberta Beef Producers and the proposal will never get past the stage it is at now.

Saying that all ranchers support this proposal (and ABP) is akin to comparing all hunters to the tresspassing POS's that bring this type of disdain upon us.