Oh the hypocrisy...

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

The grid, house amp service will all need to be upgraded.

How did he come up with the quadruple number? A car can be charged on a 15 amp line.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by greendrake

I've read the article and they clearly state that neither wind or oil and gas make the list, so calm down patches. Also this is the sun about as good a news source as World news weekly and according to them Bat boy is doing well! Shannon sited the report because she knew it dismissed both industries. Thecsun reporter isn't going to ask her a question that would put her in a positive light. I know that there's a lot of frightened people who think that alternate energy is going to kill there beloved patch but it isn't, not in your lifetimes so relax and enjoy the ride the future won't include us but it will come regardless

I think you missed the point of the thread. If this was a tailings pond there would be fines. Hypocrisy.

“The government estimates that each existing wind turbine in Alberta causes the deaths of two to three birds and three to seven bats annually, putting the current totals at between 1,800 and 2,700 birds, and 2,700 and 6,300 bats provincially.”

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politi...nds-wind-power

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

How did he come up with the quadruple number? A car can be charged on a 15 amp line.

Sure, if everybody uses the slow charger. Some are 100 amps.

Not sure what the cost would be to upgrade the grid, but we will pay.

[Jigger]

Originally Posted by greendrake

I've read the article and they clearly state that neither wind or oil and gas make the list, so calm down patches. Also this is the sun about as good a news source as World news weekly and according to them Bat boy is doing well! Shannon sited the report because she knew it dismissed both industries. Thecsun reporter isn't going to ask her a question that would put her in a positive light. I know that there's a lot of frightened people who think that alternate energy is going to kill there beloved patch but it isn't, not in your lifetimes so relax and enjoy the ride the future won't include us but it will come regardless

Rachel is that you?

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

How did he come up with the quadruple number? A car can be charged on a 15 amp line.

There are slow and fast (quick) chargers. Slow would be the 15 amp over night charge. Fast would have a much higher discharge capacity and for ones I have been involved with have a 4 hour re-charge on chevy volt.

There are also changes by individual manufacturer with Tesla having the highest charge rate.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...ing-whats-hype

The increase in charge rates and having multiple electric vehicles charging are the same time in a typical neighbourhood will exceed the carrying capacity of the grid serving that area. Numbers that I have heard is if 1/3 of a typical area go to electric vehicles the supply grid will have to be increased.

The other interesting item on this is the new pay as you charge meters that are starting to come out. Electric vehicles had / have a free ride if they plug into parkade outlets or charging stations that are currently offering free charges. This is starting to change and they will be paying for charging.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by 2 Tollers

There are slow and fast (quick) chargers. Slow would be the 15 amp over night charge. Fast would have a much higher discharge capacity and for ones I have been involved with have a 4 hour re-charge on chevy volt.

There are also changes by individual manufacturer with Tesla having the highest charge rate.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...ing-whats-hype

The increase in charge rates and having multiple electric vehicles charging are the same time in a typical neighbourhood will exceed the carrying capacity of the grid serving that area. Numbers that I have heard is if 1/3 of a typical area go to electric vehicles the supply grid will have to be increased.

The other interesting item on this is the new pay as you charge meters that are starting to come out. Electric vehicles had / have a free ride if they plug into parkade outlets or charging stations that are currently offering free charges. This is starting to change and they will be paying for charging.

Thanks for that. Certainly some interesting times ahead, I think the truth lies somewhere in between both sides of extremism. Change is certainly coming, some love it and some hate it.

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Thanks for that. Certainly some interesting times ahead, I think the truth lies somewhere in between both sides of extremism. Change is certainly coming, some love it and some hate it.

I really do not have a problem with change and my career has allowed for sponsoring significant PV installations for buildings, adopting some of the first fleet electric vehicles and dealing with other alternative energy sources (steam reduction co-gen, ground source, wind and CHP's). It just annoys me to no end to not have level playing fields on comments.

The future will be alternative energy sources to what we have now but this will take time. I do worry that some of the "newly embraced" measures may have consequences that are not known as research has not been exhaustive before the implementation -- specifically wind and certain types of turbines.

However the point of the thread was and is 3 dead ducks in a tailings pond should have the same value as 3 bats or song birds killed by a wind turbine. Get you tights in a knot on the first one you should also do the same for the second.

[covey ridge]

I think they just look ugly and are pollution to my eyes.

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

I think they just look ugly and are pollution to my eyes.

Agreed --- If you ever get a chance to see the NE shore of PEI what a visual pollution to the landscape and talk with the locals and see if you get a different opinion. The ones we spoke with encouraged my wife and I to go to the area to see "the blight".

There are places that they can be located without visual impacts on the environment. The impact of noise generation is a separate issue.

The other part to wind that is not openly discussed is the maintenance requirements for the turbines. There is upkeep and costs are not low. There are a few locations (US Colleges) that I am aware of that had installed turbines and have walked away (shut them down) due to not being able to afford the upkeep (no one to pass a rate increase onto).

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

I think they just look ugly and are pollution to my eyes.

What is ironic is that many pictures of them on the govt website are showing them on the beautiful southern ab landscape, and the windmills are portrayed as adding to the landscape when in reality they are nothing but scars.

[209x50]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

How did he come up with the quadruple number? A car can be charged on a 15 amp line.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/automobil...tml/?a=viewall