Crossbow permit during archery season

[coughunter]

Anyone know what it takes to receive special permission to use a crossbow during the regular achery season. I have had issues with carpal tunnel in the past and recently crushed my writing and draw hand and would like to know what i need to do in order to get permission to use a crossbow during bow season. I have heard before you need a doctors note but if anyone has any suggestions or experience with this any information would be appreciated.

[pottymouth]

i'd call f&w and ask them directly, you'll need to meet with them anyway.

[IR_mike]

A surgeons note and a broken shoulder last august did not do it for me.

I dont have the rejection note anymore but I remember the word "amputation" being listed as criteria for reicieving it.

Seeings how I rebroke it and tore my rotater cup 2 weeks ago maybe I'll try reapplying again this year.

[GillieSuit]

I can't say what the outcome would be, because I don't make the rules nor do I enforce them. However, If you present your facts and your case to fish and wildlife I am sure someone will take the time to talk to you and decide weather your situation qualifies for a disability permit.

Anyway. Take the evidence of your injuries and dissabilities with you along with any verifications provided by your doctor. Schedule a meeting with the appropriate department within Alberta Sustainable Resources and see what shakes out.

Sorry to hear you've been all smashed up. Sounds like a bummer if you ask me. Anyway I hope you heal up soon and good luck with your meeting at SRD.

Regards,

[jim-bo]

Give them a call, chances are that you will not meet the deadline that you want, this process can take awhile so don't hold your breath.

[buckslayer1]

Originally Posted by jim-bo

Give them a call, chances are that you will not meet the deadline that you want, this process can take awhile so don't hold your breath.

I dont know where you get your info from but it does not take a long time at all.It is a doctors note and a yes or no from F&W.Dont post what you dont know.

[coughunter]

Thank for all the info.

[jim-bo]

Originally Posted by buckslayer1

I dont know where you get your info from but it does not take a long time at all.It is a doctors note and a yes or no from F&W.Dont post what you dont know.

My father tried to get his permit a couple years ago, he had:
Note from a GP
Note from a orthopedic specialist (not needed)
Note from a certified kinesiologist (not needed)
Note from a physical thearpist (not needed)

My father had a legitimately torn rotator cuff (torn infraspinatus and supraspinatus) with some damage to the Teres minor. I pulled strings to have a consult with the Ortho, kinesologist and thearpist. Mind you that you don't need these notes off hand, but if figured that I would make it a slam dunk for my dad (for other people to extort similar consults would take months).

After all of this, my Father had to wait while his file was reviewed, only to discover that he was declined.

The premise was that my father would be able to draw a bow with a poundage of no less than 40# with is left hand, and not with his damaged shoulder.

I can't remember the exact amount of time that it took from the the first visit to the GP to the end of it all but it was at least 4 months (all consults and notes were done in less than 3 weeks).

This was my fathers experience and I am just commenting on it, it did not directly involve me but I have a pretty good idea of what had to happen and how long this process took

That was my experience Buckslayer... tell me how did yours go?

[duffy4]

I am normally very supportive of F&W and the regulations. But this seems like a screwy situation.

Seems to me that there is such a fear that someone may take advantage of this special permit, that they have gone overboard and people that should be able to get it are denied.

And elsewhere there is a fair bit of support for allowing everyone to be able to use a crossbow in the Archery season.

[Broker]

this winter i talked to three diffrent peeple at Fish and Wildlife for my daughter she turned 12 this year but is unable to pull 40 lbs
wanted to see what the requirments for crossbow permits were I was told that you basically had to be a ampute to get it other wise you wouldn't I talked to a person in spirit river, one in Edmonton then got a phone call from red deer the last person explained this to me not saying it is right this is what i was told though.

[walking buffalo]

Here is the legislation. Definition for elligibility and entitlements.

section 41 and 42

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/574.cfm?pag...=9780779744077

Cross-bow licence - eligibility
41 A person is eligible to obtain or hold a cross-bow licence if
and only if he is an individual who
(a) is
(i) a paraplegic,
(ii) a quadriplegic,
(iii) a hemiplegic,
(iv) a single above-the knee lower limb amputee, or
(v) a double lower limb amputee,
or
(b) suffers from any other physical condition, affliction or
handicap that is permanent in nature and that involves an
upper limb paralysis or amputation that prevents that
individual from utilizing conventional archery equipment.


Cross-bow, etc., licence - entitlements
42 The holder of a cross-bow licence who also holds an
applicable and valid licence to hunt big game during an archery
only season may use a legal cross-bow to hunt that big game during
that season.
AR 143/97 s42;134/2002

[buckslayer1]

Originally Posted by jim-bo

My father tried to get his permit a couple years ago, he had:
Note from a GP
Note from a orthopedic specialist (not needed)
Note from a certified kinesiologist (not needed)
Note from a physical thearpist (not needed)

My father had a legitimately torn rotator cuff (torn infraspinatus and supraspinatus) with some damage to the Teres minor. I pulled strings to have a consult with the Ortho, kinesologist and thearpist. Mind you that you don't need these notes off hand, but if figured that I would make it a slam dunk for my dad (for other people to extort similar consults would take months).

After all of this, my Father had to wait while his file was reviewed, only to discover that he was declined.

The premise was that my father would be able to draw a bow with a poundage of no less than 40# with is left hand, and not with his damaged shoulder.

I can't remember the exact amount of time that it took from the the first visit to the GP to the end of it all but it was at least 4 months (all consults and notes were done in less than 3 weeks).

This was my fathers experience and I am just commenting on it, it did not directly involve me but I have a pretty good idea of what had to happen and how long this process took

That was my experience Buckslayer... tell me how did yours go?

My dad went and got a note from his doctor(every year)take the letter to F&W.They aprove it or deny it right in front of you.He can not lift his are that high to pull a bow or hold a bow with that arm(nerve damadge).I feel that all of this is also dependent on who looks at your fourms that day.Sorry I came off the way I did.I knew another guy who had the same expereince as most others and sent him to this other guy and they have there permits now.No I am not saying who or where.Some officers are a joke on what they do or what ideas they have and say. Good luck to all of you with your cross bows.

[bpallen]

I go in for my medical next Thursday. I should be able to get the DR. to sign the forms. I was wondering if anyone knew of past cases that recieved the license? I have a buddy who's left arm was nerve reconstruction and he has left arm reduced mobility and he has one. My left collar bone broke back in 1985. I have full range motion and can pull a bow, just can't hold it up for vary long.

I was wondering what my chances are?

[Lefty-Canuck]

I know nothing about but my guess is your chances are slim...but good luck with it anyhow.

From what I have been told you need to be "handicapped" in some way to get approval but I am sure there are other who would say oitherwise.

LC

[bpallen]

No i thought i would give it a try - would make it easier for me to shoot. But from what I have read - not many people get a license.

[jungleboy]

I had my elbow smashed into 7 pieces ,had two requests from my doctor along with the exrays of my permanent elbow injury, and was turned down because it was not an amputation,...I kinda think you need to know someone high up if you want a crossbow permit while your arms are still attached to your body. I'm no conspiracy theorist but something is fishy in the crossbow permit handing out department

just sayin is all

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by bpallen

I should be able to get the DR. to sign the forms. I was wondering if anyone knew of past cases that recieved the license?
I was wondering what my chances are?

The regulations were changed this year for issuing crossbow permits. It was next to impossible to get one before unless you were totally paralyzed on at least one side or you had one upper limb amputated. F&W (maybe online as well) now has forms (about 3 pages) that you can take to a doctor, physio therapist (not sure of the other medical types but there are several) they read the enclosed criteria with the forms, fill the forms out and sign it attesting that the info that they provided is true.

Basically, the criteria for approval is that you can not hunt with a traditional 40 lb draw bow due to a permanent (non-correctable) injury.

If you can't hold up a bow for very long, how do you expect to hold up a crossbow? I've held both and a traditional bow is much easier.

[exitwound]

weird... my old man had broken 2 of his fingers and they let him have it... with a doctors note... no questions asked really

[jim-bo]

They changed the reg's for this year about them, as noted above, it was about as easy to get as one of willy wonka's golden tickets lol.

[curtisb]

I am going to play the devil's advocate here...

Why not use a rifle?
(this may be why is was so difficult?)

[Natek]

Originally Posted by curtisb

I am going to play the devil's advocate here...

Why not use a rifle?
(this may be why is was so difficult?)

Couple Reasons,

1. If its a shoulder injury or back injury recoil could be a problem.

2. Dont have to worry about bullets flying around because they are able to use a corssbow during archery season.

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

I hope they have changes, we had two shooters one with MS that couldnt pull or hold a 40 lb draw bow..the other an mid 80" elderly gentlemen that had ailments that couldnt pull a 40 lb draw bow either...

I wrote them a note stating they tried and couldnt pull the legal hunting weight bow , they had doctors certifificates and were still turned down and were told that they had to be an amputee...

Its unfourtunate as the gentlemen wanted to join their bowhunting friends and enjoy the outdoors and adventures...
both did not want to rirle hunt...

I personally dont want to see Crossbows used in archery season [many reasons that already have been discussed in full here]
however I would be proud to share an archery bow hunting camp with these gentlemen with their crossbows because of the circumatances.

JMHO
Neil

[Ebrand]

Seems to be the issue. Despite that they are only issue for one year at a time.
My friend has a permit. He was burned in a fire. His injuries are not going toget better. He still had to fight to get the permits. And he has to go in every year to pick them up personally.

[het4human]

I have an auto-immune disease which causes severe joint deterioration (currently in remission thanks to new meds) which at one point had me looking towards a future in a wheelchair with limited or no usage or my distal joints.

Thanks to my health care plan and AHS finally approving the new meds (they fought it because the treatment was considered experimental and very expensive, but they finally gave in after I paid out of pocket for the first year and the meds proved very effective), I am looking at a more positive future.

However, without said treatments I was at a point where I had lost about 85% function in my left hand, and 50% in my right, and was having severe difficulties with simple tasks, like getting out of bed.

I was completely unable to draw any of my bows, and sold most of my archery equipment as I thought I would not be able to shoot again. I applied for a crossbow permit thinking I could always get one that has the C02 draw and still be able to use a field pod mount to hold the crossbow even if I ended up not being able to walk.

I have a friend in Manitoba who is confined to a wheelchair and he hunts this way from a ground blind.

I was turned down because although my condition is incurable, I had not yet at that point lost total usage of my limbs, and as such did not qualify.

Fortunately the new treatments have forced the disease into remission, and although the damage done can never be reversed (I still have no usage of 3 fingers on my left hand at all), the damage will not get any worse.

With some good pain management therapy I am able to draw 50lbs again (about 70% of my old draw weight), and due to damage in my elbow and shoulder joints my draw length has gone from 29.5" down to 27.5", (I've gotten some weird looks and comments when people see my arm bent out about 30 degrees), but I am shooting again.

Do I think the permit process is fair, no not really, because I don't think someone should have to be a paraplegic in order to continue bowhunting.

I do understand that F&W needs to have some control, but just like the RCMP with gun control, I do believe that one person making a blanket decision doesn't work.

There should be more of a Physical Demands Analysis strategy used, based on multiple factors, such as age, strength, etc.

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

That sucks het4human...

Wish you the best with both the shooting and your ailment...

Neil

[petew]

It must be easier now.Last fall I watched a guy lift the front of his quad out of a muck pit, then climb a tree using those screw in steps.

[Jamie Black R/T]

my old man is going through the steps right now....will post up how it goes for him.

[Positrac]

Originally Posted by Jamie Black R/T

my old man is going through the steps right now....will post up how it goes for him.

Well, did he get it...?

[Jamie Black R/T]

Originally Posted by Positrac

Well, did he get it...?

Nope denied

Dont recall the particulars as that was years ago now but basically they said his injuries were from age related muscle deterioration and not the injury sustained in his car accident.



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[Positrac]

Originally Posted by Jamie Black R/T

Nope denied

Dont recall the particulars as that was years ago now but basically they said his injuries were from age related muscle deterioration and not the injury sustained in his car accident.

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I’ve been through it myself. I’m thinking of trying again since they have relaxed the requirements a bit from what I’ve been led to believe so it might be worth having him try for it again if he still wants it.