Zeiss Rapid Z Reticle FOUND ONE!

wildwoods · #1 11-03-2016, 11:40 AM

Anyone hunting with one of these bad boys. I would like to pull the trigger on one (pun-intended) at some point. Reviews? Is their calculator accurate?
I haven't decided what calibre gun I will match for it. For now on the trusty ole 270 she'll go but I'm thinking I'll purchase a 7mm at some point or something similar. Not sure what exact model of scope yet, but really like the concept of the Rapid Z system...
Much obliged

HunterDave · #2 11-03-2016, 12:30 PM

Yup, my main rifle is topped with a Conquest Rapid Z 600......Great scope!

The only thing that you should be aware of is that the recticle works best at a certain magnification for the rifle that you are using. The optimum magnification on my 30.06 with handloads is 7.5X on my 3-9X scope. You have to visit the Zeiss website and use their calculator to figure it out. They have multiple factory ammo to chose from or, for handloads, you have to enter the info manually (ie. muzzle velocity, bullet weight, etc) and it will calculate your optimum setting for the recticle to work. I only found out about it after buying the scope but loosing 1.5X magnification for the recticle to work best wasn't a big deal for the hunting that I do. If you are a long range shooter it'd probably good to know though. Other than that, it has beautiful glass and it's the best scope that I've ever owned.

goldscud · #3 11-03-2016, 12:40 PM

Buddy has z800 on 270. I think it works best at 11x
Just shot a whitetail at 420yd this morning. He likes it

Engels · #4 11-03-2016, 12:52 PM

i looked at the rapid z, I chose to go with a custom turret to match the load I shoot.

Just another option to ponder.

Edit*** didn't realize you were putting the scope on a different gun in the near future.

HunterDave · #5 11-03-2016, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by goldscud

Buddy has z800 on 270. I think it works best at 11x
Just shot a whitetail at 420yd this morning. He likes it

I think, but not sure, that a .270 should be topped with a Z600 as opposed to a Z800. I don't have time to check the website though.

Z600 and Z800 recticles are caliber specific.

As long as he got his deer it's all good though.....lol.

Opa · #6 11-03-2016, 01:41 PM

Z-800 on my 7mm Rem Mag. & Z-600 on my 25.06. Great optics for what they are intended!!! Just do the due diligence on the Zeiss site and check out the ballistics tables. Can't go wrong.

karolko · #7 11-03-2016, 01:41 PM

I have a rapidZ 600 on my 7mm Rem Mag X bolt and i am very happy with it. Great optics and the Rapid Z works very well. use there application to figure out what magnification to use and you're golden.

Worht the money IMO.

mooser · #8 11-03-2016, 01:42 PM

I've got a Z800 on a 7mm ultra mag. Overall it's a great scope. Sighted it in once and never had to adjust it again.

CNP · #9 11-03-2016, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

I think, but not sure, that a .270 should be topped with a Z600 as opposed to a Z800. I don't have time to check the website though.

Z600 and Z800 recticles are caliber specific.

As long as he got his deer it's all good though.....lol.

Agree. No matter what the website says.......a .270 is not an 800 yard gun anyway. I have the Z600 on my 25.06.

elkhunter11 · #10 11-03-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mooser

I've got a Z800 on a 7mm ultra mag. Overall it's a great scope. Sighted it in once and never had to adjust it again.

I did not go with the Z800 on my 7mmstw, because the trajectory of my load was too flat to match the RZ800. It suits the 7mmremmag better.

wildwoods · #11 11-03-2016, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I did not go with the Z800 on my 7mmstw, because the trajectory of my load was too flat to match the RZ800. It suits the 7mmremmag better.

That's good to know. Might be a calibre I would consider.

I handled one at Wholesale Sports today. Pretty exciting for the price point. If anyone has any cons, be sure to chime in. Or perhaps better bang for buck...
I love the versatility this scope provides

Roebag · #12 11-03-2016, 05:22 PM

x2 on what Elkhunter11 said. My 7mm weatherby 140gr is to flat also for their calculator and I use the 300 hash mark for 400 and so on

Ranger CS · #13 11-03-2016, 05:25 PM

I have a Z600 reticle in my Zeiss Conquest. Love the scope, love the reticle.
I have it mounted on a .338 WM. To be honest, I was not aware of the power level affecting the caliber specific calibration of the reticle. I have had to refer to the distance calibration on a few occasions, I can tell you it does work for me.

elkhunter11 · #14 11-03-2016, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Roebag

x2 on what Elkhunter11 said. My 7mm weatherby 140gr is to flat also for their calculator and I use the 300 hash mark for 400 and so on

With the 7mmwby you could use a 185 yard sight in instead of 200 yards, and still be very close out to 600 yards or so.

pikeslayer22 · #15 11-03-2016, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wildwoods

That's good to know. Might be a calibre I would consider.

I handled one at Wholesale Sports today. Pretty exciting for the price point. If anyone has any cons, be sure to chime in. Or perhaps better bang for buck...

I love the versatility this scope provides

What are they asking for them?

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Kurt505 · #16 11-03-2016, 06:14 PM

I love my rapid z 800, as said a 600 might be better suited for a 270 but having the 800 won't hurt if you get a gun in the future with a bigger chamber.

Hunt4Ever · #17 11-03-2016, 07:37 PM

Does anyone have one with the varmint reticle? Pro's/Con's.
Considering one for my 25-06.

Newview01 · #18 11-03-2016, 09:47 PM

They are not caliber specific.

Zeiss has an app that works well, punch in some data it will tell you the zoom to use.

The Rapid-Z varmint is a sweet reticle. I briefly had one, I should have never sold it.

I have an 800 on a 300 win mag and a 600 on a 25-06. TBH I have not tested the accuracy of the reticles out very far, but any Zeiss (except Terra) will get my stamp of approval.

wildwoods · #19 11-03-2016, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pikeslayer22

What are they asking for them?

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They had it listed for $1700 but he checked his computer and they could do $1500+tax
Not a great price. Pretty standard from what I've seen. This is gonna be hard to say no too. Looks to be nothing but positive reviews from "real" people. I never fully trust the amazon or google reviews...

YYC338 · #20 11-03-2016, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Newview01

They are not caliber specific.

I agree they are not caliber specific. I have the 3-15 Conquest RZ800 on my 8mm Remington mag.
What the online program requires is bullet weight, ballistic coefficient and muzzle velocity to calculate the optimum magnification setting to make the RZ800 scale applicable. Program also requires that the rifle be zeroed at 200yds.

A 180gr bullet at 3400fps is pretty flat and still fits within their calculation parameters although it requires the maximum setting of 15X to be valid for that combination.

elkhunter11 · #21 11-04-2016, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by YYC338

I agree they are not caliber specific. I have the 3-15 Conquest RZ800 on my 8mm Remington mag.
What the online program requires is bullet weight, ballistic coefficient and muzzle velocity to calculate the optimum magnification setting to make the RZ800 scale applicable. Program also requires that the rifle be zeroed at 200yds.

A 180gr bullet at 3400fps is pretty flat and still fits within their calculation parameters although it requires the maximum setting of 15X to be valid for that combination.

A high B.C. 180gr bullet out of a 30 caliber rifle doesn't match the RZ800 reticle, and neither does a 150gr bullet at 3400fps out of my 7mmstw . If the trajectory of the load is not flat enough, you reduce the magnification, but if the trajectory is too flat, you can reduce the zero distance a bit to help, but in some cases, the trajectory is just too flat for that to be a good solution.

HunterDave · #22 11-04-2016, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Newview01

They are not caliber specific.

I have the older model Conquest that were sold before the HD5's. Before purchasing I visited the Zeiss site and it had a list of calibers that would best suit the Z600 and a list that best suited the Z800. That is what I went by. Are things different for the HD5 scopes?

elkhunter11 · #23 11-04-2016, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

I have the older model Conquest that were sold before the HD5's. Before purchasing I visited the Zeiss site and it had a list of calibers that would best suit the Z600 and a list that best suited the Z800. That is what I went by. Are things different for the HD5 scopes?

Zeiss did provide a very general recommendation as to which cartridges typically work well with each reticle, but using the specific load ballistics is a better method.

HunterDave · #24 11-04-2016, 12:03 PM

If I remember correctly when I was doing my homework before buying the scope there were separate calculators for the Z600 and the Z800. It wouldn't have made a difference for my 30.06 but knowing what I know now about the optimum magnification, I guess that it would have been prudent to have punched my data in for both recticles and check the results for each.

wildwoods · #25 11-04-2016, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

If I remember correctly when I was doing my homework before buying the scope there were separate calculators for the Z600 and the Z800. It wouldn't have made a difference for my 30.06 but knowing what I know now about the optimum magnification, I guess that it would have been prudent to have punched my data in for both recticles and check the results for each.

You are correct. That have a decent app that I have been running numbers through as the higher magnification the better IMO as your 200 yard "zero" can be used no matter the magnification......
Hard to contain myself. i should have bought one years ago when I first wanted to ($800). No thats doubled lol

mooser · #26 11-04-2016, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I did not go with the Z800 on my 7mmstw, because the trajectory of my load was too flat to match the RZ800. It suits the 7mmremmag better.

In my case Im zeroed at 300yds. That's just my personal preference. The 4 doesn't mean 400yds to me and so on.

wildwoods · #27 11-16-2016, 04:51 PM

Well I strolled into Wholesale Sports today just wanting to see the scope and check on pricing. Was I ever surprised. List price I believe was $1600~. I asked him to look up if it was on sale. I walked out the door with a Conquest HD5 3x15x42 with Rapid Z 600 Reticle for $1050+gst. I felt it was an unreal price and couldn't be happier. They are having a Zeiss optics sale on now if anyone is interested. Now to mount, sight in and finally find a buck I'm happy with...
Thanks to Elkhunter 11 and Jonboy for their advise.

elkhunter11 · #28 11-16-2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wildwoods

Well I strolled into Wholesale Sports today just wanting to see the scope and check on pricing. Was I ever surprised. List price I believe was $1600~. I asked him to look up if it was on sale. I walked out the door with a Conquest HD5 3x9x42 with Rapid Z 600 Reticle for $1050+gst. I felt it was an unreal price and couldn't be happier. They are having a Zeiss optics sale on now if anyone is interested. Now to mount, sight in and finally find a buck I'm happy with...
Thanks to Elkhunter 11 and Jonboy for their advise.

I am thinking that you mean 3-15x42.

And that is a great rice for that scope. I have actually purchased a few HD-5 scopes from WSS for similar prices.

wildwoods · #29 11-16-2016, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I am thinking that you mean 3-15x42.

LOL fixed it. I was looking at a 3x9 earlier and decided against it.....

HunterDave · #30 11-16-2016, 05:23 PM

What were the 3-9x42 ones going for? When I bought mine several years ago I think that I paid about $600 at Cabela's and I got a free Puma pocket knife with it. I sold the knife and reduced the cost further.