The video Sage will never do!

[Don Andersen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=jRBbsOJQrSE

[kevin1949]

WOW!!!!!!!! that puts ordering my first bamboo rod closer to the top of my priority list.

[lannie]

If you do it to your Oyster Bamboo rod and it breaks you will have a repair bill to pay. Good revenue generator for Oyster!

The warranty that comes with Sage is much better so if they did the Video it would cost them lots of money.

You are right, Sage will never do the video. They did not get the lions share of the market by poor marketing practices.

[Taco]

Now now Donnie

http://vimeo.com/79529221

[Don Andersen]

Originally Posted by lannie

If you do it to your Oyster Bamboo rod and it breaks you will have a repair bill to pay. Good revenue generator for Oyster!

The warranty that comes with Sage is much better so if they did the Video it would cost them lots of money.

You are right, Sage will never do the video. They did not get the lions share of the market by poor marketing practices.

Lannie,

You should really rephrase the "if you do it to your Oyster Bamboo rod and it breaks " into "if you do stupid and stuff the rod into a ceiling fan it won't break. However, do it with a Sage & send the pieces back to Sage + some $'s and the world will be whole again. "

I'd like rod companies to have the same warranty as GM or Ford etc. Try this for size" I just wrapped my pickup around a lightpost - where do I send the thing +$50 and how long till I get my new one".


Don

[osedma]

sage and all the big brands are just MARKETING, they are really good at marketing and they are the best making people pay 800 bucks for a rod when a rod in production cost between 20-40bucks....with the money people pay for a sage, they should send a new rod when you brake it...

BTW I'd like a bamboo rod, for some reason engineers build bridges, houses, structures out of bamboo. Before reply saying that I'm wrong, google it.

[Taco]

Sage's development and production costs are a tad more than $20-$40 per rod but the lifetime warranty against stupidity easily doubles the wholesale cost.

[Badflies]

Wow, I didn't realize they were that tough! I wish someone would break a bunch of nice rods and post the results. It would be hard too watch though. Don I see the boys skipped the car door test...

[rycoma]

Check out some of echo's videos there not shy about putting there rods to the test they will stress them till they shatter

[Don Andersen]

I didn't believe the oyster video either till I took a dead fall hammer to some cut-offs. Took multiple blows to get the cane to shatter.
I'm open to offers to try a Sage or Loomis or Orvis or.....

I'll even sweep up the remains and give them a proper burial.


Don

[lannie]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

I didn't believe the oyster video either till I took a dead fall hammer to some cut-offs. Took multiple blows to get the cane to shatter.
I'm open to offers to try a Sage or Loomis or Orvis or.....

I'll even sweep up the remains and give them a proper burial.


Don

It's actually called a dead blow hammer. The bamboo would me much stronger with the dead blow assault but how would that help in using the rod fishing? It wouldn't, it's a moot point. It's like claiming the ability to give integral coloring to the sage an asset fishing.

[MK2750]

I have no idea what that has to do with Sage.

Different materials react differently to different forms of abuse. A high carbon knife for example will hold an edge for a long time but don't hit one with a hammer.

I'll take a quick recovery fast action Sage over a bamboo any day but that is just my opinion not a bash against Oyster.

If I ever completely lose my mind and start hammering on my rods I will certainly consider an Oyster. I may be too demented to find the river but at least my rod will be in one piece.

[lannie]

Originally Posted by MK2750

I have no idea what that has to do with Sage.

Different materials react differently to different forms of abuse. A high carbon knife for example will hold an edge for a long time but don't hit one with a hammer.

I'll take a quick recovery fast action Sage over a bamboo any day but that is just my opinion not a bash against Oyster.

If I ever completely lose my mind and start hammering on my rods I will certainly consider an Oyster. I may be too demented to find the river but at least my rod will be in one piece.

That's funny !

[Don Andersen]

Guys,

There are 3 points:

1) rods are fished and abused. Bamboo is just plain tougher than tubular stuff.
2) the "rod sages" have told the buying public for years how fragile bamboo rods are which is crap demonstrated by the Oyster Creek video.
3)Whoops, if you can't kill a rod with a hammer, ticking it with a weighted nymphs will likely not cause a shaft failure.

And now back to our regular scheduled programming.


Don

[J D]

Impressive on how strong these rods are but that is not everything when looking at a fly rod. I would need to actually fish/cast one to see if they are even worth owning.

As for sage fished them for years like the feel of the ones I owned but have also broke a good number of them as well

My newest fly rod is a redington (sister company to sage) seems to be a great rod with a lower sticker price than sage.

[IckyFlyWorks]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

Lannie,

You should really rephrase the "if you do it to your Oyster Bamboo rod and it breaks " into "if you do stupid and stuff the rod into a ceiling fan it won't break. However, do it with a Sage & send the pieces back to Sage + some $'s and the world will be whole again. "

I'd like rod companies to have the same warranty as GM or Ford etc. Try this for size" I just wrapped my pickup around a lightpost - where do I send the thing +$50 and how long till I get my new one".


Don

Hi Don,

To be fair to Oyster - if you do something stupid they will also do what they can to make your world whole again. From their guarantee:

"If you stick your rod in the ceiling fan, fall on it in
the stream, or otherwise abuse your rod, I will
do my best to repair or replace it at a
reasonable cost."

Per the video, though, Oyster doesn't have to worry much about ceiling fans.

A wee bit off topic but this is an interesting take on rod warranties. The author makes a similar comparison that you do - fly rod manufacturers should use the same warranty model as other industries such as automobiles and appliances.

Cheers,
Ben

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by IckyFlyWorks

Hi Don,

To be fair to Oyster - if you do something stupid they will also do what they can to make your world whole again. From their guarantee:

"If you stick your rod in the ceiling fan, fall on it in
the stream, or otherwise abuse your rod, I will
do my best to repair or replace it at a
reasonable cost."

Per the video, though, Oyster doesn't have to worry much about ceiling fans.

A wee bit off topic but this is an interesting take on rod warranties. The author makes a similar comparison that you do - fly rod manufacturers should use the same warranty model as other industries such as automobiles and appliances.

Cheers,
Ben

Interesting, I would guess if they went away from life time warranty they would loss a lot of business to custom builders right off the bat.

[Jayhad]

Don,
what ever Sage did to you must have been exceedingly evil for you to carry such a grudge.

[Don Andersen]

Jayhad,

Owned one once . .. .. Enough said.

Don

[midgetwaiter]

Don would you or Oyster be willing to do a video of somebody trying to cast a 2/0 clouser into a 25mph wind with a bamboo rod?

Different tools for different jobs.

[Don Andersen]

Midget...

And this "test' would prove what?
Frankly, a decent quality glass rod just might do the job better that either cane or graphite.
I know that I use my graphite poles for pike, walleye etc. They toss bass bugs and clousers just fine.
For trout fishing, I use bamboo.

But this is not about me. This is about the BS pedalled about how fragile bamboo rods are.
The video tells the truth.

Regards,


Don