Climate paradox for the zealots to ponder

[Wild&Free]

Antarctic ice growing. i remember it was only a few years ago that some large shelf broke up and let a lot ice go.

isn't the arctic also losing ice? so during the last warming period were both poles gaining ice, or was one pole growing and the other shrinking?

the paradox Sundance is the more we discover, the less we realize what we actually know.

doesn't change the fact that industrial co2 emissions also come with other toxins and footprints with lasting effects.

a failed model isn't a failed theory, it still adds data for study.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

. He has twnenty letters behind his name . The man who desined the candu reactors had six . .

My dog's got 22 letters behind her name and she says AGW is a hoax.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by rugatika

My dog's got 22 letters behind her name and she says AGW is a hoax.

how much you put away in RESPs for that?

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

do you have kids ,ask them if they care.

I don't have kids and have no intention of having any. I live very humbly and consume as little as possible except maybe gunpowder, Im sorry I do consume more of that than most! Overall I have little environmental guilt. By not having kids I'm putting an end once and for all to my contribution to all the ills of the world. What are you doing about global warming? Do you have kids? If so your part of the problem.

Why is it folks like you who assume that because people don't buy into all the global warming stuff you assume they don't care about the earth. I know lots of people who don't buy into the GW paranoia yet they are some of the most earth friendly, environmentally responsible concerned folks there are.

If the children are so concerned about the environment why is it every generation of them when they grow up they always consume more resources than the generation before them?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

Antarctic ice growing. i remember it was only a few years ago that some large shelf broke up and let a lot ice go.

isn't the arctic also losing ice? so during the last warming period were both poles gaining ice, or was one pole growing and the other shrinking?

the paradox Sundance is the more we discover, the less we realize what we actually know.

doesn't change the fact that industrial co2 emissions also come with other toxins and footprints with lasting effects.

a failed model isn't a failed theory, it still adds data for study.

Yup. Antarctic ice is growing...has been since the 70's.

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ice-expedition

Calving sheets is natural...occurs every year.

The recent global warming scientific expedition that got trapped in all the ice tried to follow the same path as explorers 100 years ago. They could not because the ice increased so much over the years.

Arctic ice is making a recovery now also. All of it is just natural changes scientists are now just realizing has a huge link to ocean currents and their natural cycles.

[Wild&Free]

I like how you didn't refute my last 3 points.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

I like how you didn't refute my last 3 points.

I theory that can't be proven is a costly bottomless pit of guesses.

Yes...removing real pollution is a great thing. I am all for that. CO2 is not a pollution. I agree let's focus on the real pollution.

Yes...climate research at least is getting studied. Too bad it is so biased and constantly looking for excuses to blame phantom made made global warming.

It is funny at the same time how global warmist are wrong time and time again and keep thinking up new hair brain reasons to blame CO2.

[Wild&Free]

I see the focus shifting away from CO2 and focusing on other man made factors. deforestation and urbanization are culprits to a potential cause of warming micro climates which impact macro climates in turn effecting global climate.

it's part of a plot scheme dredged up by the plutocrats to keep us common folk looking the other way imo. ever see the Rothschild's book about how to survive global warming with the polar bear on tip toes on a tiny chunk of ice for a cover?

[rugatika]

The actual science behind AGW.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybel...tory-lesson-2/

“It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class…involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor vehicles, golf courses, small electric appliances, home and work place air-conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable…A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmentally damaging consumption patterns”. Maurice Strong, former CEO of Petro Canada, friend of Trudeau, Power Corp, and general UN muckity muck.

When a politician tells you to think of the children....check your wallet.

But, make sure you do read the whole article.

[Redfrog]

I think Attenborough like Suzuki, Al Gore and the rest of the whole Global warming crowd have contributed tons of hot air to the problem.

I'm still waiting for spring for things to warm up.

[drhu22]

Food for thought...
http://www.mcgill.ca/research/channe...tuation-235236
This is a new study.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by drhu22

Food for thought...
http://www.mcgill.ca/research/channe...tuation-235236
This is a new study.

More food for thought...a refutation of Lovejoy's paper. As soon as I read his claim of "99% certainty, and more likely 99.9%" I smelled a snake oil huckster. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of statistics and basic science would know that is a load of bullcrap when someone makes a claim like that regarding 500 years of temperature measurements. Funny.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/1...t-uncertainty/

[drhu22]

Mcgill university vs http://wattsupwiththat.com
Hmmm...
I guess you can pick and choose your sources.

[Wild&Free]

that's a good article. sums up pretty much what I've been seeing since climategate

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by drhu22

Mcgill university vs http://wattsupwiththat.com
Hmmm...
I guess you can pick and choose your sources.

Well then, I anxiously await your refutation of Lord Moncton's refutation. Where did he err?

Here's a famous speech by Richard Feynman...http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.pdf

[drhu22]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

that's a good article. sums up pretty much what I've been seeing since climategate

So because its a university study you associate it with David Suzuki et al., therefore its useless?

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by drhu22

So because its a university study you associate it with David Suzuki et al., therefore its useless?

now that's a wild assumption if I ever saw one. I was referring to the Forbes article Rugatika linked. thanks for trying though.

[Wild&Free]

you could also get your information from http://www.collective-evolution.com/ if you like.

scientists and universities have used the alarmist rhetoric to get grant money, from the plutocrats who want their socialist paradise within the next few generations. don't buy into it.

[drhu22]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

now that's a wild assumption if I ever saw one. I was referring to the Forbes article Rugatika linked. thanks for trying though.

Honestly, you should pick your sources more carefully.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by drhu22

Honestly, you should pick your sources more carefully.

Rather than irrationally calling into question the sources, why don't you refute the facts presented therein?

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by drhu22

Honestly, you should pick your sources more carefully.

what sources good sir? I have not linked anything other then a crackpot website which blends respectable articles with crap tinfoil wouldn't even stop. I'm capable of critical thinking thank you very much, and I see your bait and reject it for poor presentation.

[drhu22]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

what sources good sir? I have not linked anything other then a crackpot website which blends respectable articles with crap tinfoil wouldn't even stop. I'm capable of critical thinking thank you very much, and I see your bait and reject it for poor presentation.

Excuse me... no bait, no barbs.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by rugatika

Rather than irrationally calling into question the sources, why don't you refute the facts presented therein?

I know lets get it peer reviewed. He he who would we get to, you know give creadence to sicentific papers and such. is there a scientific standard of review rugs can give weight to. royal society has brought us few "big thinkers"

[drhu22]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

I know lets get it peer reviewed. He he who would we get to, you know give creadence to sicentific papers and such. is there a scientific standard of review rugs can give weight to. royal society has brought us few "big thinkers"

Sorry, I thought we were talking about science, as opposed to opinions.

[Buckhead]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

oh let me think for 1.5 seconds pole shift . A little tid bit you guys are asking a laymen these question and I have a semblance of an answer. Sir is onr of the folks that give any study the right to be called a study any one thats any one on earth in any field or subject is clamoring to answer the phone when sir or his colleges ring .

Hes the ligit in legitimate. Lol hes the sci in science. He has twnenty letters behind his name . The man who desined the candu reactors had six . We'll be lucky if twenty poster with scholastic letters . In figuritive term the mans as smart as this form and has a form just like this with a bunch of buddies with just as many letters. ??? If hes 20% correct we still need to pay attention.

So the fact that the earth has been this warm (or warmer) in the past - and these facts are being ignored does not concern you?

Letters behind ones name does not make the man. Honesty and integrity make the man.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by drhu22

Sorry, I thought we were talking about science, as opposed to opinions.

do your homework. the idea of AGM stems from a paper published in the 1800s which observed co2 trapping heat in a controlled setting. fast forward a 100 year's and that study is poorly transfered to earths atmosphere which despite is similarities is not a controlled setting it is a self sustaining adaptable system. now follow the money in a scientific manner. it will lead to some unlikely trusts, funds, think tanks and institutions created by some of the richest people and families on the planet...

just like the right left paradigm has been used to keep people distracted while an overwhelmingly large portion of the worlds money, the grease that keeps everything going, is concentrated into the hands of a few through events such as the crash of '29 and two world wars followed by a so called "cold war" AGM is being used to return the world to a fuedal state under the guise of a New World Order. writing is on the wall in fat bold block letters so big you need to step back and take a good look at the whole thing.

now excuse me, I need to turn my tinfoil hat inside out.

[Buckhead]

^^^^How true.

GOOD scientists review all the facts and data before drawing a conclusion.

So far, much of what I have seen from the global warming community is the ignoring and covering up of facts and data that do not concur with their personal opinions and agendas.

[Wild&Free]

read the art of war, and the prince, study game theory. then look into the nature of conquest, assimilation and empire, follow that with the study of history and law from the time of Charlemagne and finish with the history of banking and the fractional reserve system. when you're all done with that study religions and philosophers, specifically what they say on Usury and social conduct.
now consider the concepts of dynasties and legacy, concepts not fully appreciated by those who are not apart of one. now with our amazing capacity for associative thought ponder all that you just learnt. we might be on the same page when you're done, probably not since I left out the general history and evolution of man, mental illness; specifically psycopathy, governance and the concepts of freedom and independence in how they relate to governance and control. oh let's not forget psychology of the masses and propaganda.

AGM is just a single prong, there are several other movements within our society and the world at play. you never put all your eggs in one basket.

still gonna debate on things from either side of the coin, it keeps me sharp. now I can turn my hat back the right way.

[Sundancefisher]

Seems like when scientists needed funding and global cooling was the wind of choice at the time... cooling climate was studied to cause more extreme weather.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/1...treme-weather/


So now that warming pays the bills...global warming causes extreme weather.

The joke is on us however...as weather comes naturally with extremes and everything in between.

[Sundancefisher]

Global sea ice area well above average.

Antarctic ice setting records.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/04/...g-old-records/