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[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

They do. But usually the only land available is over crowded public land.

Somewhat like it is here except we got less people and more land and lots of private land that could be huntable if there was paid access. Myself personally wouldn't feel right to charge friends and neighbors but I feel that it should be within a landowners right to do so.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by cheemo

So now it's the landowners fault for putting up too many signs. Yikes! Times a changing.

Yup a 100 or so years ago a fella would have a hole in him for tresspassing or doing any illegal activities on ones property....no signs needed just a colt on your hip and a good rifle....

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Somewhat like it is here except we got less people and more land and lots of private land that could be huntable if there was paid access. Myself personally wouldn't feel right to charge friends and neighbors but I feel that it should be within a landowners right to do so.

You might as well be anti hunting.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Yup a 100 or so years ago a fella would have a hole in him for tresspassing or doing any illegal activities on ones property....no signs needed just a colt on your hip and a good rifle....

Wrong.

[ResidentSpokesman]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Somewhat like it is here except we got less people and more land and lots of private land that could be huntable if there was paid access. Myself personally wouldn't feel right to charge friends and neighbors but I feel that it should be within a landowners right to do so.

Crown land here vs public land there are apples & oranges. A lot of those guys are stuck in areas as small as a few acres along with a pile of other guys.

Alberta has all this awesome access BECAUSE there is no legal paid access. Here’s an example. There is an outfitter in Alberta that pays / trades landowners for exclusive access in one of the areas I hunt. Because I used to work for him I was privy to several of his deals. He has at least a couple dozen 1/4s that literally nobody else ever has a chance of getting access on because he has either paid them cash or given them freebies from the other business he owns in exchange for exclusive access.

Making this legal in any way, shape or form will magnify this problem exponentially.

[ResidentSpokesman]

Originally Posted by chuck

Wrong.

Internet forums need a block button like social media for guys like this.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by chuck

You might as well be anti hunting.

Far from it. Pro landowners rights.

[Wiz]

Hope you get them!

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

Crown land here vs public land there are apples & oranges. A lot of those guys are stuck in areas as small as a few acres along with a pile of other guys.

Alberta has all this awesome access BECAUSE there is no legal paid access. Here’s an example. There is an outfitter in Alberta that pays / trades landowners for exclusive access in one of the areas I hunt. Because I used to work for him I was privy to several of his deals. He has at least a couple dozen 1/4s that literally nobody else ever has a chance of getting access on because he has either paid them cash or given them freebies from the other business he owns in exchange for exclusive access.

Making this legal in any way, shape or form will magnify this problem exponentially.

My thoughts are that the landowner wouldn’t grant permission anyways except to a select few.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

Internet forums need a block button like social media for guys like this.

Lol agree with you. A Knob Disconnect would be handy.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Far from it. Pro landowners rights.

I’m pro tax payer rights.

[ward]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

Internet forums need a block button like social media for guys like this.

Why ?

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by chuck

I’m pro tax payer rights.

How is charging for access gonna affect you as a tax payer?

[Lefty-Canuck]

Paid access is the last thing we need in Alberta. We need that as much as we need 4-8 more years of NDP. If they get a hold of that idea 1/3-1/2 of hunters might as well sell their guns and prepare to eat store bought.

Good grief....

LC

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman

Alberta has all this awesome access BECAUSE there is no legal paid access. Here’s an example. There is an outfitter in Alberta that pays / trades landowners for exclusive access in one of the areas I hunt. Because I used to work for him I was privy to several of his deals. He has at least a couple dozen 1/4s that literally nobody else ever has a chance of getting access on because he has either paid them cash or given them freebies from the other business he owns in exchange for exclusive access.

Making this legal in any way, shape or form will magnify this problem exponentially.

Illegal or legal, there already is paid access in Alberta that it fairly common knowledge. The illegal access that you were involved with is just one example.
I know of a landowner that only grants access to close friends. He would never take payment from anyone, but he will rent out one of several cabins on his property to groups of hunters

Every suspicion of paid access that I know about seems to have the stench of outfitter pay off. You say making paid hunting legal will magnify the problem. I think outfitters are the stink and are the problem.

The legal small out of wallet I paid in Wyoming is nothing compared to land that is closed off to hunters due to outfitters.

[MooseRiverTrapper]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Paid access is the last thing we need in Alberta. We need that as much as we need 4-8 more years of NDP. If they get a hold of that idea 1/3-1/2 of hunters might as well sell their guns and prepare to eat store bought.

Good grief....

LC

That would be nice, I am picturing it now. Not the ndp.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by chuck

Wrong.

I'm sure during the 1800's even into the early 1900's a few were dealt with accordingly...no one gave a ratz arsz about a drifter, trespasser, horse thief, cattle rustler...today well they make the news because they are bored in prison

[AlbertaWild]

Originally Posted by HuntingAlberta

Good Morning,

Can anyone help me identify this person? Any help would be greatly appreciated.i know them those are the 2 guys who got nothing!.

Thank you

Can anyone help me identify this person? Any help would be greatly appreciated.i know them those are the 2 guys who got nothing!.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

I have been to Wyoming 2 different times. The last time was about 20 years ago. My hunting partner ordered an information package about the area we planned to hunt. We got a list of land owners who allowed access. Some for free and most required a trespass fee in various amounts. Some of the fees were ridiculously low, and I think the purpose must have been to identify hunters who were allowed to use the property. I was surprised at how low the fees were in some areas that had lots of antelope. We picked one of the cheaper ones and had a great time.

20 years ago and antelope to boot, which overrun many ranches and they can't find enough hunters to cull them and they charged money. Today 20 years later and some ranches are charging as much as $1000 per gun for trespass fees to hunt antelope and that's for 2 or 3 days not a whole season. All depends on whether you want trophy or only want to shoot does or meat animals. What about deer and elk, moose? You want a trophy elk well The skys the limit, fees vary depending on what quality of animal you want, the landowner dictates what you can shoot and sets prices accordingly. I'm sure there are still some reasonable fees and still the rare landowner who might let you on for free if you search hard enough but they are getting scarce if you want anything more than a meat hunt.

Things are a changing in the pay to access hunting world. Once you make access for hunting and fishing fees a commodity the market will set the price. In thirty years from now it would be nice to afford to still be able to hunt in Alberta, Look down the road a ways into the future, think twice about what your asking. We have a prime example of what happens and can see it playing out before our eyes right next door in the US. It is slowly evolving into a sport for only those who can afford it. Hunting should be affordable to every man especially those poverty hunters who live far from crown or public land, might actually need the meat and can't afford to pay to hunt on any nearby farm land where they used to be able to hunt just by asking permission. In 20 years the US population has increased by 50 million people yet hunter numbers have stagnated. Hunting is becoming too costly for many in the pay to hunt system.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

How is charging for access gonna affect you as a tax payer?

Because the actual tax payers in this province will be the least represented hunters.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

I'm sure during the 1800's even into the early 1900's a few were dealt with accordingly...no one gave a ratz arsz about a drifter, trespasser, horse thief, cattle rustler...today well they make the news because they are bored in prison

Most drifters got invited in and fed. They most certainly didn’t get shot.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by chuck

Because the actual tax payers in this province will be the least represented hunters.

Huh? Are you saying I'm not a rate paper? If you are I do pay my taxes but it's none of your business how much or how little I pay. Are hunters not already the least represented in this province. Possibly right behind the straight white blue collar working man.

I've given some thought to the anti hunting remark. Yes I'm anti a lot of things but hunting is not one of them. It kinda raises my ire when someone like yourself doesn't feel that I should be able to maximize the investment I've made in buying land. I should be able to profit from my investment. I don't know what you have invested in Chuck but I would hope that you have invested in something with the intent to realize a profitable return. It is not my business to hold you back from this nor should it be.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Huh? Are you saying I'm not a rate paper? If you are I do pay my taxes but it's none of your business how much or how little I pay. Are hunters not already the least represented in this province. Possibly right behind the straight white blue collar working man.

I've given some thought to the anti hunting remark. Yes I'm anti a lot of things but hunting is not one of them. It kinda raises my ire when someone like yourself doesn't feel that I should be able to maximize the investment I've made in buying land. I should be able to profit from my investment. I don't know what you have invested in Chuck but I would hope that you have invested in something with the intent to realize a profitable return. It is not my business to hold you back from this nor should it be.

Your stance is anti hunting. Plain and simple. I don’t care what guise you hide it under.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by chuck

Your stance is anti hunting. Plain and simple. I don’t care what guise you hide it under.

Ya ok chuckles. You got me figured out. Regardless should I be able to make a profit on my investment? Don’t let the pinko tendencies get in the way of your answer please. Don’t worry I’m sure I would be taxed on the money made.

Right or wrong I beleive my rights as a landowner should be equal to my rights as a hunter.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Ya ok chuckles. You got me figured out. Regardless should I be able to make a profit on my investment? Don’t let the pinko tendencies get in the way of your answer please. Don’t worry I’m sure I would be taxed on the money made.

Right or wrong I beleive my rights as a landowner should be equal to my rights as a hunter.

That is a lovely thought. But it still makes you anti hunting in this province. And calling me names doesn’t change that.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

It kinda raises my ire when someone like yourself doesn't feel that I should be able to maximize the investment I've made in buying land. I should be able to profit from my investment. I don't know what you have invested in Chuck but I would hope that you have invested in something with the intent to realize a profitable return. It is not my business to hold you back from this nor should it be.

Buying land in the hopes to maximize profit by charging $$$ for access to hunt when it is illegal to do so is probably not a good investment. Perhaps one should have considered that before investing in it.

[Pathfinder76]

And, if they want to charge for hunting their better be some money paid for the resource.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Ya ok chuckles. You got me figured out. Regardless should I be able to make a profit on my investment? Don’t let the pinko tendencies get in the way of your answer please. Don’t worry I’m sure I would be taxed on the money made.

Right or wrong I beleive my rights as a landowner should be equal to my rights as a hunter.

They are. You can choose not to let people trespass or to let them.

And the crowns rights are protected as well.

My family has been land owners as long as you could own land in the West. We all stand against cash for access inregards to recreational use. Always will.

Keep the pinko comments to yourself.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

Buying land in the hopes to maximize profit by charging $$$ for access to hunt when it is illegal to do so is probably not a good investment. Perhaps one should have considered that before investing in it.

Obviously charging for access isn’t legal or we wouldn’t be having this discussion but if it were legal why shouldn’t a landowner take advantage of it as he or she sees fit.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by rem338win

They are. You can choose not to let people trespass or to let them.

And the crowns rights are protected as well.

My family has been land owners as long as you could own land in the West. We all stand against cash for access inregards to recreational use. Always will.

Keep the pinko comments to yourself.

I never said all should charge for access and I got no doubt that some won’t. I’m saying it should be well within the rights of a landowner to do as he/she sees fit. I have stated that I personally wouldn’t do it but then again I don’t give out a lot of permission except to family,friends and neighbors with the odd stranger thrown in the mix.

My pinko comments are in response to a communist way of thinking. I guess I’m anti communist to chuck.