|
|
12-15-2017, 08:50 PM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,666
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman
They do. But usually the only land available is over crowded public land.
|
Somewhat like it is here except we got less people and more land and lots of private land that could be huntable if there was paid access. Myself personally wouldn't feel right to charge friends and neighbors but I feel that it should be within a landowners right to do so.
|
12-16-2017, 08:04 AM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: At the end of the Thirsty Beaver Trail, Pinsky lake, Alberta.
Posts: 24,606
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheemo
So now it's the landowners fault for putting up too many signs. Yikes! Times a changing.
|
Yup a 100 or so years ago a fella would have a hole in him for tresspassing or doing any illegal activities on ones property....no signs needed just a colt on your hip and a good rifle....
__________________
Be careful when you follow the masses, sometimes the "M" is silent...
|
12-16-2017, 08:41 AM
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,843
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwest Alta
Somewhat like it is here except we got less people and more land and lots of private land that could be huntable if there was paid access. Myself personally wouldn't feel right to charge friends and neighbors but I feel that it should be within a landowners right to do so.
|
You might as well be anti hunting.
__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”
-Billy Molls
|
12-16-2017, 08:42 AM
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,843
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 58thecat
Yup a 100 or so years ago a fella would have a hole in him for tresspassing or doing any illegal activities on ones property....no signs needed just a colt on your hip and a good rifle....
|
Wrong.
__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”
-Billy Molls
|
12-16-2017, 08:54 AM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 275
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwest Alta
Somewhat like it is here except we got less people and more land and lots of private land that could be huntable if there was paid access. Myself personally wouldn't feel right to charge friends and neighbors but I feel that it should be within a landowners right to do so.
|
Crown land here vs public land there are apples & oranges. A lot of those guys are stuck in areas as small as a few acres along with a pile of other guys.
Alberta has all this awesome access BECAUSE there is no legal paid access. Here’s an example. There is an outfitter in Alberta that pays / trades landowners for exclusive access in one of the areas I hunt. Because I used to work for him I was privy to several of his deals. He has at least a couple dozen 1/4s that literally nobody else ever has a chance of getting access on because he has either paid them cash or given them freebies from the other business he owns in exchange for exclusive access.
Making this legal in any way, shape or form will magnify this problem exponentially.
|
12-16-2017, 08:55 AM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 275
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck
Wrong.
|
Internet forums need a block button like social media for guys like this.
|
12-16-2017, 09:11 AM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,666
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck
You might as well be anti hunting.
|
Far from it. Pro landowners rights.
|
12-16-2017, 09:14 AM
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 743
|
|
Hope you get them!
|
12-16-2017, 09:16 AM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,666
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman
Crown land here vs public land there are apples & oranges. A lot of those guys are stuck in areas as small as a few acres along with a pile of other guys.
Alberta has all this awesome access BECAUSE there is no legal paid access. Here’s an example. There is an outfitter in Alberta that pays / trades landowners for exclusive access in one of the areas I hunt. Because I used to work for him I was privy to several of his deals. He has at least a couple dozen 1/4s that literally nobody else ever has a chance of getting access on because he has either paid them cash or given them freebies from the other business he owns in exchange for exclusive access.
Making this legal in any way, shape or form will magnify this problem exponentially.
|
My thoughts are that the landowner wouldn’t grant permission anyways except to a select few.
|
12-16-2017, 09:17 AM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,666
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman
Internet forums need a block button like social media for guys like this.
|
Lol agree with you. A Knob Disconnect would be handy.
|
12-16-2017, 09:18 AM
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,843
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwest Alta
Far from it. Pro landowners rights.
|
I’m pro tax payer rights.
__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”
-Billy Molls
|
12-16-2017, 09:18 AM
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 967
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman
Internet forums need a block button like social media for guys like this.
|
Why ?
|
12-16-2017, 09:29 AM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,666
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck
I’m pro tax payer rights.
|
How is charging for access gonna affect you as a tax payer?
|
12-16-2017, 09:29 AM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Look behind you :)
Posts: 27,780
|
|
Paid access is the last thing we need in Alberta. We need that as much as we need 4-8 more years of NDP. If they get a hold of that idea 1/3-1/2 of hunters might as well sell their guns and prepare to eat store bought.
Good grief....
LC
__________________
|
12-16-2017, 10:19 AM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. E. of High River
Posts: 4,985
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ResidentSpokesman
Alberta has all this awesome access BECAUSE there is no legal paid access. Here’s an example. There is an outfitter in Alberta that pays / trades landowners for exclusive access in one of the areas I hunt. Because I used to work for him I was privy to several of his deals. He has at least a couple dozen 1/4s that literally nobody else ever has a chance of getting access on because he has either paid them cash or given them freebies from the other business he owns in exchange for exclusive access.
Making this legal in any way, shape or form will magnify this problem exponentially.
|
Illegal or legal, there already is paid access in Alberta that it fairly common knowledge. The illegal access that you were involved with is just one example.
I know of a landowner that only grants access to close friends. He would never take payment from anyone, but he will rent out one of several cabins on his property to groups of hunters
Every suspicion of paid access that I know about seems to have the stench of outfitter pay off. You say making paid hunting legal will magnify the problem. I think outfitters are the stink and are the problem.
The legal small out of wallet I paid in Wyoming is nothing compared to land that is closed off to hunters due to outfitters.
|
12-16-2017, 10:36 AM
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,906
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
Paid access is the last thing we need in Alberta. We need that as much as we need 4-8 more years of NDP. If they get a hold of that idea 1/3-1/2 of hunters might as well sell their guns and prepare to eat store bought.
Good grief....
LC
|
That would be nice, I am picturing it now. Not the ndp.
|
12-16-2017, 10:43 AM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: At the end of the Thirsty Beaver Trail, Pinsky lake, Alberta.
Posts: 24,606
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck
Wrong.
|
I'm sure during the 1800's even into the early 1900's a few were dealt with accordingly...no one gave a ratz arsz about a drifter, trespasser, horse thief, cattle rustler...today well they make the news because they are bored in prison
__________________
Be careful when you follow the masses, sometimes the "M" is silent...
|
12-16-2017, 10:57 AM
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: The WOODS
Posts: 124
|
|
Nothing!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by HuntingAlberta
Good Morning,
Can anyone help me identify this person? Any help would be greatly appreciated.i know them those are the 2 guys who got nothing!.
Thank you
|
Can anyone help me identify this person? Any help would be greatly appreciated.i know them those are the 2 guys who got nothing!.
|
12-16-2017, 11:12 AM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6,924
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by covey ridge
I have been to Wyoming 2 different times. The last time was about 20 years ago. My hunting partner ordered an information package about the area we planned to hunt. We got a list of land owners who allowed access. Some for free and most required a trespass fee in various amounts. Some of the fees were ridiculously low, and I think the purpose must have been to identify hunters who were allowed to use the property. I was surprised at how low the fees were in some areas that had lots of antelope. We picked one of the cheaper ones and had a great time.
|
20 years ago and antelope to boot, which overrun many ranches and they can't find enough hunters to cull them and they charged money. Today 20 years later and some ranches are charging as much as $1000 per gun for trespass fees to hunt antelope and that's for 2 or 3 days not a whole season. All depends on whether you want trophy or only want to shoot does or meat animals. What about deer and elk, moose? You want a trophy elk well The skys the limit, fees vary depending on what quality of animal you want, the landowner dictates what you can shoot and sets prices accordingly. I'm sure there are still some reasonable fees and still the rare landowner who might let you on for free if you search hard enough but they are getting scarce if you want anything more than a meat hunt.
Things are a changing in the pay to access hunting world. Once you make access for hunting and fishing fees a commodity the market will set the price. In thirty years from now it would be nice to afford to still be able to hunt in Alberta, Look down the road a ways into the future, think twice about what your asking. We have a prime example of what happens and can see it playing out before our eyes right next door in the US. It is slowly evolving into a sport for only those who can afford it. Hunting should be affordable to every man especially those poverty hunters who live far from crown or public land, might actually need the meat and can't afford to pay to hunt on any nearby farm land where they used to be able to hunt just by asking permission. In 20 years the US population has increased by 50 million people yet hunter numbers have stagnated. Hunting is becoming too costly for many in the pay to hunt system.
|
12-16-2017, 11:40 AM
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,843
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwest Alta
How is charging for access gonna affect you as a tax payer?
|
Because the actual tax payers in this province will be the least represented hunters.
__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”
-Billy Molls
|
12-16-2017, 11:43 AM
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,843
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 58thecat
I'm sure during the 1800's even into the early 1900's a few were dealt with accordingly...no one gave a ratz arsz about a drifter, trespasser, horse thief, cattle rustler...today well they make the news because they are bored in prison
|
Most drifters got invited in and fed. They most certainly didn’t get shot.
__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”
-Billy Molls
|
12-16-2017, 12:07 PM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,666
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck
Because the actual tax payers in this province will be the least represented hunters.
|
Huh? Are you saying I'm not a rate paper? If you are I do pay my taxes but it's none of your business how much or how little I pay. Are hunters not already the least represented in this province. Possibly right behind the straight white blue collar working man.
I've given some thought to the anti hunting remark. Yes I'm anti a lot of things but hunting is not one of them. It kinda raises my ire when someone like yourself doesn't feel that I should be able to maximize the investment I've made in buying land. I should be able to profit from my investment. I don't know what you have invested in Chuck but I would hope that you have invested in something with the intent to realize a profitable return. It is not my business to hold you back from this nor should it be.
|
12-16-2017, 12:33 PM
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,843
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwest Alta
Huh? Are you saying I'm not a rate paper? If you are I do pay my taxes but it's none of your business how much or how little I pay. Are hunters not already the least represented in this province. Possibly right behind the straight white blue collar working man.
I've given some thought to the anti hunting remark. Yes I'm anti a lot of things but hunting is not one of them. It kinda raises my ire when someone like yourself doesn't feel that I should be able to maximize the investment I've made in buying land. I should be able to profit from my investment. I don't know what you have invested in Chuck but I would hope that you have invested in something with the intent to realize a profitable return. It is not my business to hold you back from this nor should it be.
|
Your stance is anti hunting. Plain and simple. I don’t care what guise you hide it under.
__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”
-Billy Molls
|
12-16-2017, 12:39 PM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,666
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck
Your stance is anti hunting. Plain and simple. I don’t care what guise you hide it under.
|
Ya ok chuckles. You got me figured out. Regardless should I be able to make a profit on my investment? Don’t let the pinko tendencies get in the way of your answer please. Don’t worry I’m sure I would be taxed on the money made.
Right or wrong I beleive my rights as a landowner should be equal to my rights as a hunter.
|
12-16-2017, 12:59 PM
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,843
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwest Alta
Ya ok chuckles. You got me figured out. Regardless should I be able to make a profit on my investment? Don’t let the pinko tendencies get in the way of your answer please. Don’t worry I’m sure I would be taxed on the money made.
Right or wrong I beleive my rights as a landowner should be equal to my rights as a hunter.
|
That is a lovely thought. But it still makes you anti hunting in this province. And calling me names doesn’t change that.
__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”
-Billy Molls
|
12-16-2017, 01:00 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6,924
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwest Alta
It kinda raises my ire when someone like yourself doesn't feel that I should be able to maximize the investment I've made in buying land. I should be able to profit from my investment. I don't know what you have invested in Chuck but I would hope that you have invested in something with the intent to realize a profitable return. It is not my business to hold you back from this nor should it be.
|
Buying land in the hopes to maximize profit by charging $$$ for access to hunt when it is illegal to do so is probably not a good investment. Perhaps one should have considered that before investing in it.
|
12-16-2017, 01:04 PM
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,843
|
|
And, if they want to charge for hunting their better be some money paid for the resource.
__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”
-Billy Molls
|
12-16-2017, 01:17 PM
|
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Cowtown, agian
Posts: 2,815
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwest Alta
Ya ok chuckles. You got me figured out. Regardless should I be able to make a profit on my investment? Don’t let the pinko tendencies get in the way of your answer please. Don’t worry I’m sure I would be taxed on the money made.
Right or wrong I beleive my rights as a landowner should be equal to my rights as a hunter.
|
They are. You can choose not to let people trespass or to let them.
And the crowns rights are protected as well.
My family has been land owners as long as you could own land in the West. We all stand against cash for access inregards to recreational use. Always will.
Keep the pinko comments to yourself.
__________________
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
- Sir Winston Churchill
A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody.
-Thomas Paine
|
12-16-2017, 01:18 PM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,666
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushrat
Buying land in the hopes to maximize profit by charging $$$ for access to hunt when it is illegal to do so is probably not a good investment. Perhaps one should have considered that before investing in it.
|
Obviously charging for access isn’t legal or we wouldn’t be having this discussion but if it were legal why shouldn’t a landowner take advantage of it as he or she sees fit.
|
12-16-2017, 01:27 PM
|
Banned
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,666
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by rem338win
They are. You can choose not to let people trespass or to let them.
And the crowns rights are protected as well.
My family has been land owners as long as you could own land in the West. We all stand against cash for access inregards to recreational use. Always will.
Keep the pinko comments to yourself.
|
I never said all should charge for access and I got no doubt that some won’t. I’m saying it should be well within the rights of a landowner to do as he/she sees fit. I have stated that I personally wouldn’t do it but then again I don’t give out a lot of permission except to family,friends and neighbors with the odd stranger thrown in the mix.
My pinko comments are in response to a communist way of thinking. I guess I’m anti communist to chuck.
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:16 PM.
|