Sportsmen and Sportswomen - An Open Letter

[tcp2015]

Sportsmen and Sportswomen

An Open Letter

IN AN article "Why Do Sportsmen Organize?" appeared this statement: "It is difficult to understand the point of view of anyone who would oppose or neglect worthy organization in favor of purposeless disorder.' To the student of social phenomenon that statement has no mystery. We assume that indifference because we have been conditioned to let our 'leaders' take care of everything and us. Our 'leaders' do not want any interference from some organized group, because then, there might be some restrictions placed on behavior. If we would recognize that complex and begin to think objectively, we could not only save our game and fish, but man also, on this Continent. All our little "pressure groups," that want some specific thing from a selfish standpoint, demonstrates what can be done by organization.

The article speaks of organization from a sportsman's angle, which takes me back over 25 years when I helped organize and keep alive a Sportsmen's Association which sponsored the idea of state game control for the state of Washington. How the two groups, that would be effected, argued the matter pro and con. As to the result of the final change, the sportsmen are still arguing: but a lot of bitter words were used and past friendships broken with about the same gross benefit as any decision predicated on opinion and self interest. This battle of wits and words taught me one thing, and that is that if we expect to save life on this Continent, man as well as game and fish, we must organize with the object of eliminating all COUNTY and STATE LINES ON THIS NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT. Only by operating the whole Continent, as a unit, for the benefit of all our people, can we eliminate the overlapping of authority, which causes the enormous waste and destruction of our natural resources.

The Price System has always destroyed nature for profit. So, when that System gets through with this Continent (if the Continent doesn't get through with the System first) it will closely resemble Mesopotamia and the Sahara Desert.

We are doing just the same as our ancestors in the Old World: depleting the forests, which leads to a depleted water table, to dust storms, to soil erosion, and finally a Sahara Desert or Mesopotamia without game or fish, and all for the profit for the few. (I'm not a poor man, so this isn't sour grapes.)

The people who exploit nature's abundance are not our 'brothers.' Those who advocate the retention of the Price System, in the light of present knowledge, and shout democracy to confuse our minds, are just as guilty of mass murder as if they poisoned the public wells. We are just as much to blame for these conditions as our political representatives, in fact more so, because we refuse to study or organize to learn what must be done to save life, whether higher or lower, animal or fish.

Unless one has devoted some time to a study of the paradox of floods and dust storms on the same day, in the same watershed, he wouldn't believe it. But that is what happened last August in the Mississippi watershed. The Price System has cut the timber off the hills, which allows quick run-off of water, which causes recurrent floods. It has broken thousands of acres of holding sod, which makes dust storms possible. It has deepened river channels, which hastens the carry-away of billions of yards of fertile soil. It has done more damage to this Continent in the past fifty years than all mankind for the past thousands. FOR WHAT!! Are today's profits more vital than AMERICA'S FUTURE?

As sports men and women we should join an organization that is trying to make a preserve for man as well as animal and fish on this Continent, because if we don't, man will be hunting man, not for sport but for meat. It is much more exciting to hunt man as a sporting venture if he can defend himself with a 30-40 Springfield or Enfield rifle. I offer you the organization, "Technocracy Inc.," which has the plans and blueprints for a planned conservation program.

Under a "TECHNATE," about four-fifths of the total farmlands of this Continent would be turned back to nature as playfields, game areas, recreation centers, grazing lands, hunting districts and vast forests. Thousands of impounding lakes would be created. The water evaporation would irrigate millions of planted trees, reduce draught areas, control floods, and OH, BOY!! talk about fishing and duck shooting. There would be no pollution of our streams or lakes to kill our fish and ducks. It would NOT be impossible to have a few million buffalo running loose if we wanted them. And say, brother! the gun and dog addict could hunt to his heart's desire and no "No Trespass" signs to contend with. We could "plant" millions of chinks, hens, quail, etc., because we never would be short of "funds" as there wouldn't be any needed. We would have hundreds of bird and fish hatcheries. Liberate them by the millions instead of thousands. (Not on paper, but in the fields and streams.) and the sportsman's dream of a place to fish and hunt would be realized at last.

This small outline of planned control is not a dream. We must either make up our minds to adopt it or perish, because we have reached the limit of nature's toleration with our methods of exploiting her resources. This is not a moralistic treatise. I'm just giving you the physical conditions as they are. We must either organize for the purpose of helping nature, or make up our minds to let nature take her course of maintaining her balance, which she will, and it will not be a pretty sight to see or smell. So again I offer "Technocracy Inc." as a sportsman who would rather eat than be eaten. When food gets scarce we do resort to cannibalism, so I'd rather create a game preserve for man than allow an open season to come upon him. I sincerely urge that you investigate the organization "Technocracy Inc." that we may be mutually helpful in correcting this condition of "PURPOSELESS DISORDER" we find ourselves enmeshed in. A "Technate," from a sportsman's angle, would be an interesting discussion to listen to at any of your sportsmens' meetings.

Sincerely, for more game, and leisure to pursue it.

—E. R. NePAGE—12247-3.

http://www.technocracyincorporated.o...pril-1941.html

[RedLabel]

Originally Posted by tcp2015

Under a "TECHNATE," about four-fifths of the total farmlands of this Continent would be turned back to nature as playfields, game areas, recreation centers, grazing lands, hunting districts and vast forests.

Sustainable Hunting for All!

but give me all your farmland...

[tcp2015]

Originally Posted by RedLabel

Sustainable Hunting for All!

but give me all your farmland...

"Needless to say, all present farms and land divisions would be eliminated. Agriculture would be only one division of a vast chemical industry which would convert the raw materials of the land into use products and in turn supply to the land its requirements in fertilizers and plant food. Tracts of probably tens of miles square would be worked as a unit. Equipment would operate 24 hours per day, and be rotated in such a manner that each piece of equipment would be in as continual operation as possible throughout the year. The farm population would live in conveniently situated towns from which they would commute to the fields. They would thus combine the advantages of healthful out-of-doors work with those of urban life with its social and educational facilities. This would, of course, leave vast domains to be reconverted either to grazing or forest lands. Forests, national parks and playgrounds could then be instituted on a scale never known since the country was in its virgin state as found by the original pioneers."

- TECHNOCRACY STUDY COURSE - INDUSTRIAL DESIGN AND OPERATING CHARACTERISTICS
http://www.technocracyincorporated.o...dy-course.html

[Winch101]

4/5 of the farmland given up ...who going to sell that one .

Stocking chinks , I think there's enough already .

Is this a recipe for civil war on this continent , an ISIS plot ,

Kind of like the NCC / DU on steroids .

Howie Scott started his dream in 1919 , little did he know that
In a little less than 100 years would it become just one of the
Half baked ideas expounded upon on the AO forum .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement



Most references to this very fringe part of American history , describes
It's beginning and any implementation as being fascist in Nature .
A method of total imbalance , and really just one of those great ideas
You would have if you did a lot of drugs in the sixties and all hope is gone .
The idea that our best system ,was the feudal system , there's a couple
Of guys on the Gun Forum that remember living under that system .

[wildwoods]

[tcp2015]

Originally Posted by Winch101

4/5 of the farmland given up ...who going to sell that one .

Stocking chinks , I think there's enough already .

Is this a recipe for civil war on this continent , an ISIS plot ,

Kind of like the NCC / DU on steroids .

Howie Scott started his dream in 1919 , little did he know that
In a little less than 100 years would it become just one of the
Half baked ideas expounded upon on the AO forum .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement



Most references to this very fringe part of American history , describes
It's beginning and any implementation as being fascist in Nature .
A method of total imbalance , and really just one of those great ideas
You would have if you did a lot of drugs in the sixties and all hope is gone .
The idea that our best system ,was the feudal system , there's a couple
Of guys on the Gun Forum that remember living under that system .

"If we should ever have another civil war, let us have it for something and not for nothing. The tendency of the natural liaison of big business today is for a furtherance of fascism. Technocracy defines fascism to be 'a consolidation of all the minor rackets into one major monopoly for the preservation of the values of the Price System.' We are trying fascism in a subtle form, and the general trend is in that direction.

The problem facing America is so serious that it will transcend every other problem in history. If there were 17 million more out of work, we would face it more quickly. Our only regrets are that there are not 17 million going out of work tomorrow morning.

They are going to try sustenance farming. They are going to subsidize corporations so that they can declare a profit. (A few corporations have declared larger dividends during this period because they have succeeded in lowering their operating costs, and if the 1929 production was repeated, they would employ less people than they do now.) In other words, the people are such fools that they permit the corporations to be saved. They permit 800,000 depositors who hold two-thirds of the nation's deposits to be insured to the detriment of 13 million others. Suckers? No, they are simps. If they are not trimmed, they don't appreciate anything."

- ADDRESS IN THE ENGINEERING AUDITORIUM (Untitled) 12/6/35
http://www.technocracyincorporated.o...ard-scott.html

[Wild&Free]

Wrong forum for posting something like this.

Lots of land owners here.

Though there is merit, considering much of America's heartland is used for agriculture, when it is more suited to ranching activities to maintain soil fertility, and habitat maintenance. I don't think many people here are in favor of a North American Union. The EU destroyed the economies of much of Europe with its centralized bureaucracy in Brussels as well as a common currency who's value is based on the production capabilities of a few built up industrial, financial and technological centers. Not to mention the social conundrums of the free immigration policies.

[tcp2015]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

I don't think many people here are in favor of a North American Union. The EU destroyed the economies of much of Europe with its centralized bureaucracy in Brussels as well as a common currency who's value is based on the production capabilities of a few built up industrial, financial and technological centers. Not to mention the social conundrums of the free immigration policies.

Neither are we. The European Union is the fascist attempt at reconsolidating the Holy Roman Empire:

"In the international field, the United States has allied itself firmly with the forces of European fascism centered in Rome. And, as allies of Rome, we are committing ourselves to achieving the objectives of Catholic fascism. One of these objectives is the restoration of the old Holy Roman Empire in Europe. Another is the destruction of the Soviet Union. In Europe, we have set up a military alliance called NATO to aid in achieving both of these objectives. The first step is the setting up of a joint military organization in Western Europe. Secondly, efforts are being made to establish an economic alliance along the same lines. Later, it is anticipated, a political and spiritual consolidation will take place to form the new Holy Roman Empire. Because of the diverse nationalities and rivalries in Europe, plus conflicting incentives, this program is dragging not only its feet but its whole rear end. Fortunately, many Europeans who have had unhappy experience with fascism and have been sickened by it, are wise to the scheme and they object to its realization. Further, when it comes to economic tribute, most individuals and groups will double-cross their political and spiritual alliances if the most loot lies in that direction."

http://www.technocracyincorporated.o...ie---1957.html

"That's the same old attempt. They've been trying in history to reconstruct the old Holy Roman Empire for over 6 or 7 centuries, and your Schuman Plan is an economic attempt to do what Hitler tried to do, what Napoleon tried to do. Now what was Napoleon's objective? Where did the Romans go to geographically? Did they go east of Vienna? No. Did they ever reach the Elbe? No. What did Napoleon try to do? What was tried before him? And what was Hitler's objective? The abrogation of the Treaty of Westphalia, was it not? And if he had succeeded, he would have consolidated Western Europe.

Remember that Hitler's first program enunciated in 1919, at the same time that Mussolini started, was a separatist. To separate the Rhineland, Baden, Württemberg, Bavaria, and Austria to join with what? Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, and Belgium. What does that sound like? The old Holy Roman Empire again. The Schuman Plan is what? The Schuman Plan doesn't take in Denmark or Norway or Sweden, does it? You analyze the Schuman Plan down and you'll find in essence it is an attempt on the economic and business field as an intrusion to attempt the same thing; namely, the economic organization of the old Holy Roman Empire. I don't know whether you've ever considered it in that light before, but it is and it won't work.

Let the Holy Roman Empire belong in history along with the Crusades. Time and history have buried them; they might as well stay buried."

- BIRTHDAY TALK HOWARD SCOTT, NEW YORK 4-4-53
http://www.technocracyincorporated.o...ard-scott.html

"Remember that the Napoleon plan was the Code Napoleon to consolidate all Europe under one church, one flag, and one rule. The reestablishment of the Holy Roman Empire has been the psychotic dream of more idiots in Europe than anything else. Hitler went down the same Smolensk Highway, didn't he? Hitler had divisions where? 2-1/2 million Roumanians, 1-1/2 million Italians, 140,000 Spanish in Spanish uniforms -- the Blue Division, the Division, he had 280,000 French, he had 600,000 Poles. What does this sound like? It sounds like the same thing as Napoleon all over again. Only this time, it was 300 divisions and many times the number of Napoleon. Napoleon only had 600,000. This was more like 6 million."

- "THE CONTINUING CRISIS" HOWARD SCOTT, CLEVELAND, OHIO 4-4-63
http://www.technocracyincorporated.o...ard-scott.html

"Unfortunately, 99.9% of the people in United States have never read the Treaty of Rome. You've read all kinds of articles in magazines, newspapers, and other periodicals, TV, and radio. The European community and the so-called Common Market are merely a part of the Treaty of Rome. The Treaty of Rome calls for a political confederation; in other words, let's use the term "Common Market" so you won't be confused by the Treaty of Rome, and Common Market is simply an economic maneuver to establish a fascist setup in Western Europe, because you must be under a political hegemony if you join the Common Market. The reason Britain was refused was because she couldn't surrender her sovereignty to the sovereignty of what? Rome -- come on, say it. That's the real reason. Now, the only thing that Western Europe has outside of the equipment and population is a market. It has not got the resources. Germany has some coal, yes. France has the ilmenite ores of Alsace Lorraine, but they are in the 30% Fe. French and Belgian coal are thin seam and steep angle. Holland has lately discovered a gas field on its eastern border, which will help it out for a little, but they are going to export most of the gas. Otherwise, Western Europe has not the iron ore, the copper, the lead, the zinc, or the petroleum, and when the Russians complete this pipe line grid, according to the report of the British Petroleum Association, they will be able to deliver a billion BTU in their eastern satellites and Russia for 40% of what a billion BTU can be delivered in Western Europe.

United States is all in favor of a Common Market. France, last year, did 510 million bushels of wheat. United States has been exporting wheat to Europe. Our fixed price is $1.82 a bushel. The French, I think, is $2.26 and the German is $3.15. As the French only consume about 230 million bushels, therefore France can sell wheat to the rest of Europe at the German price of $3.15 and eliminate $1.2 billion of U.S. agricultural grain exports to Europe. Now, if the Common Market could achieve the economic hegemony and the political confederation, it would be looking for the immediate propagation of World War III."

- "THE CONTINUING CRISIS" HOWARD SCOTT, DETROIT 4-27-63
http://www.technocracyincorporated.o...ard-scott.html

[Wild&Free]

Valid points. Still missing the mark. Central planning is as much apart of fascism as it is communism and technocracy is in the same light except without a price system it works off a ration system. The centralization aspect is the heart of power corrupting absolutely, and removes the hundreds of thousands of years of small tribe evolution at the heart of human nature.

decentralization, smaller units in direct geographical control of resources near settlements as well as full influence on decisions in regards to shared resources such as waterways and air supply accompanied with mutually beneficial trade between all parties is imo a better system.

[Winch101]

I would venture to guess that the spouting of this kind of Dogma
Is not the short route to a shallow grave ,in only a portion of today's
Industrialized countries .
As W&F alluded to this is crazy talk in Alberta , southern Ontario
Or BC lower mainland it's fine . A vast colony of disgruntles is what you need
For a base .....I would go on a lecture tour of Manitoba , they've been
Whining there since the turn of the century. The one faction of the Canadian
population that will not embrace this plan ,are the Indigenous . Turn over the
Land ,are you nuts ......We are just starting to get it back.
I like the idea of moving half this planets occupants to another planet .
I'd bet on that one before technocracy .

Another fun Monday on AO . There s a political figure on the Alberta
Horizon , he would be big on this . Contact RobAnders @MUFON