Trudeau government poised to introduce new gun-control legislation

[Fur]

Non-compliance

Anyone arrested for these laws need the support of mass protests.

[WesternAlien]

Two words: "criminal incompetence".

It's tempting to think that this piece was cobbled together by a 10-year old on the last night of vacation to throw in a distraction from vaccine failure or something else. Unfortunately, legislation works differently: this piece of crap was carefully crafted for quite some time, with many people being paid full-time for many weeks and months to do this "job".

The airsoft ban is especially amazing. As they say on airsoft forums - "it's not like banning cars to stop drunk driving - it's like banning RC toy cars to stop drunk driving". And rationale for that - by committee of police chiefs - a) they put public in danger, and b) they can be easily converted into deadly weapons. Both not just big fat lies - they are both so primitive lies!

Well, at least a lot more of people fighting it now than before because of airsoft.

[IronNoggin]

Police chiefs won’t back Trudeau handgun ban

"The head of the organization, Vancouver police chief Adam Palmer, said current firearms legislation are already strong enough

Palmer said in the majority of handgun crime, the firearm is already illegal, so their is no point prohibiting a weapon that already is.

“In every single case there are already offences for that. They’re already breaking the law and the criminal law in Canada addresses all of those circumstances,” The Canadian Press reported Palmer said at the conclusion of the association’s annual conference this week.

“The firearms laws in Canada are actually very good right now. They’re very strict.”

The union representing the country’s RCMP officers have also publicly said they will not be supporting the gun grab legislation."

https://westernstandardonline.com/20...u-handgun-ban/

[waldedw]

My Dangerous Gun.JPG

[pdog15]

Have to wonder if this is a Liberal ploy to trigger an early election. Why is all of this coming to the fore right now and why is airsoft brought in as part of the c21 at this particular time and on such short notice?

Can this bill be made an issue of non-confidence?

There may be just enough in the Bill for NDP to vote no along with Green to also vote no. Bingo - a defeat of the gov’t and an early election. After all the virtue signaling done via media generation, the turd will be hoping for (gambling on) a majority election win.

If NDP vote yes for c 21 then the turd becomes increasingly emboldened to bring in even more draconian amendments to c 21 before it passes final reading.

Beginning to look like a real catch 22 situation.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by pdog15

There may be just enough in the Bill for NDP to vote no along with Green to also vote no. Bingo - a defeat of the gov’t and an early election.

Beginning to look like a real catch 22 situation.

What part of the bill would ndp /green not like?

[IronNoggin]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

What part of the bill would ndp /green not like?

Both have publicly stated (as have the Bloq) that because the buybacks are not mandatory, they will consider not supporting it. The Bloq won't waffle. The greens might. The NDP Lap Dogs never will - it is simply virtue signaling to their decreasing support base and nothing more. They will side with True Dummy.

Nog

[WildBillG]

I hate to say it but the only way Canadians get their rights back is through a civil war. We have lost so many rights in the last 40 years yet we sit here smiling and saying we are free. No country has ever accomplished getting their rights back peacefully.We have been headed into communism ever since the FAC was introduced. It was going to end gun violence in Canada all it did was make gun owners weaker and easier to mould. Look at the way most have bent over backwards to comply with Covid restriction would a strong country do that no.

[IronNoggin]

O’Toole Pledges to Repeal Trudeau’s Attacks Against Gun Owners as PM


“An O’Toole government will repeal C-71, C-21 and the May 2020 Order in Council,” O’Toole said in the Facebook video. “I will review existing firearms legislation to ensure it focuses on dealing with criminals rather than making life more difficult for law-abiding firearms owners.”

“The extent to which the Trudeau Liberals are willing to go to divide Canadians is disappointing and dangerous.”

https://thegunblog.ca/2021/02/23/oto...-owners-as-pm/

[IronNoggin]

The Canadian Bar Association: The government has failed to make the case that banning legal handguns is a solution to tackling violent crime. "PAL holders are less than half as likely as the average Canadian to commit homicide"

Irrational lawmaking

https://www.nationalmagazine.ca/en-c...onal-lawmaking

[IronNoggin]

What You (We) Can Do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcLK9b6aW4

[IronNoggin]

Record petition in support of gun rights presented before the House of Commons

https://tnc.news/2021/03/11/record-p...se-of-commons/

[IronNoggin]

Interesting turn of events...

Opponents of gun control bill are denouncing Trudeau and no longer want him at Polytechnique commemorations

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/o...ions-1.5352094

[zabbo]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

Interesting turn of events...

Opponents of gun control bill are denouncing Trudeau and no longer want him at Polytechnique commemorations

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/o...ions-1.5352094

The bad / sad part of this is; they're squawking because the law doesn't go far enough?

[Trochu]

"The group said it no longer believes the prime minister when he says he shares the pain and suffering of the victims' loved ones at annual memorials."

They are just figuring this out now?!? He's just saying that to get your vote, wake up!

[IronNoggin]

This fellow nails it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc7z25N82k

[IronNoggin]

It appears Sock Boy is caving to the threatened photo op loss.

Nothing grabs a narcissistic personally harder than denying them their moment of virtue signaling fame...

Trudeau hints at openness to gun bill changes after criticism from victims' families​

"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he is confident the Liberal government's approach to gun control is the right one, but added he's open to hearing suggestions for improvement.

The families, survivors of the mass shooting and witnesses said in a letter to the prime minister this week he would no longer be welcome at annual commemorations unless his government strengthens the bill."

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-...lies-1.5354346

[IronNoggin]

Bill C-21 Is ‘Harmful’ to Olympics, Shooting Federation of Canada Tells Blair

The Shooting Federation of Canada said the government’s new draft law to criminalize federally licensed gun owners is “harmful” to Olympic and Paralympic disciplines and “will fundamentally choke our sport off at the roots.”

Bill C-21’s measures to eliminate handgun ownership in particular will end athletic careers in one of the world’s most-inclusive sports, SFC President Sandra Honour told Minister Bill Blair in a March 3 letter.

“As the President of the SFC, it is my duty to inform you that your latest proposed firearm legislation Bill C-21 is harmful to the Olympic and Paralympic disciplines, our cultural heritage, and a blow to the many aspiring athletes that have dedicated thousands of hours in the hope of representing Canada on the international sport stage,” Honour said in the letter.

https://sfc-ftc.ca/resources/Documents/EN/2021-03-02 Letter to Minister Bill Blair regarding Bill C-21 for web posting EN.pdf

[IronNoggin]

VERY Much worth the view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scvt19zx-ug

[hilt134]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

VERY Much worth the view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scvt19zx-ug

Take the first 7 minutes, move it to the end and it’s nearly perfect. Good supporting evidence and fact along with a calm delivery. That first few minutes is great for people who already disagree with the government but I think it’s enough for anyone who is either on the fence or wants more gun control to turn the video off.

Thanks for sharing all this Noggin I’ve never even seen their YouTube channel before.

[IronNoggin]

Baby Steps, but steps nonetheless:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6X1AXp5dug

[mackenzie280]

What is not comprehendible is that the blackface gang are a minority government!!

[IronNoggin]

https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/20...the-gun-chase/

Getting a gun has never been easier for criminals in Toronto

More than 2.2 million Canadians have a firearms licence and very few of those people are using them in crimes. But nearly every gun seized by Toronto police that is involved in a crime is unregistered and in the hands of people who wouldn’t qualify for a gun under current Canadian regulations.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/...-guns-toronto/

[thumper]

Trudeau can do whatever he wants - it doesn't affect me. There's so many insane laws out there that I can no longer keep up with them, let alone abide by them. I don't even attempt to keep informed about them. Let the easterners and liberals introduce whatever stupidity they want - given the structure of confederation, Albertans can't stop them - why beat our heads against a wall? All the 'rending of hair and gnashing of teeth' is simply shaking your fist at a cloud.

So I'll just do what I think is safe and responsible, and deal with the consequences if, and when they happen.

[IronNoggin]

No silver bullet: Bill C-21 won’t stop Canada’s illegal gun problem

Bill C-21 aims to curb gun violence through stricter regulations, but it won’t work — at least not according to police, victims, gun rights’ advocates, former gang leaders and convicts.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/04/...-illegal-guns/

[IronNoggin]

This fellow is BANG ON!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJNylFu89C0

[OLD JOE]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

This fellow is BANG ON!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJNylFu89C0

Ya got it right NOG !!!!

[IronNoggin]

Federal Court Orders Liberals to Hand Over Evidence for May 2020 Attacks

31 May 2021

Canada’s Federal Court ordered the government to hand over all documents leading to its May 2020 political attacks against licensed gun owners and businesses, in a major procedural win for the teams fighting the crackdown.
30 Day Deadline

Associate Chief Justice Jocelyne Gagné gave the Attorney General of Canada (AGC) 30 days to give her the evidence, she said in a decision dated May 27 and received by lawyers today.

The governing Liberal Party previously refused to share materials behind its 01 May 2020 Order in Council (OIC) criminalizing honest citizens and ordering them to surrender their suddenly blacklisted rifles and shotguns by April 2022.

‘Landmark Decision’ — Burlew

“In this landmark decision Justice Gagné has required that AGC provide the court with all documents, being the evidentiary record before cabinet that were used in deciding to enact the OIC banning firearms that became SOR/2020-97,” Edward Burlew, one of the lawyers challenging the crackdown, told TheGunBlog.ca today by e-mail.

The Department of Justice in Ottawa didn’t respond immediately to our invitation to comment.

Rule 317, Under Court Seal

The notes, reports, emails and other documents to be produced under Rule 317 of the Federal Courts Rules will be viewable only by the court at first.

Gagné’s decision said the court will analyze the material to decide “whether the public interest in disclosure outweighs its secrecy.”

She rejected the government’s claim to cabinet confidentiality under Section 39 of the Canada Evidence Act.

What the Documents May Show

The political and ideological motivations for the Liberal attacks on honest citizens.
Why the Liberals developed the crackdown in secret and hid their plans from parliament and the public.
How the Royal Canadian Mounted Police supported the attacks, in particular the role of Murray Smith.
The cost of the crackdown, estimated at hundreds of millions or billions of tax dollars.
How the Liberals and RCMP invented the tactic of “nullifying” firearm-registration certificates to criminalize lawful owners.

‘Democratic Principles Prevailed’ — Generoux

“I am deeply relieved that democratic principles prevailed in this situation, and very happy that the judge will get a fuller picture of what went on behind the scenes in the secret drafting of this OIC,” Christine Generoux, a gun owner who’s representing herself in Federal Court, told TheGunBlog.ca. “I feel confident that any existing empirical evidence will support our arguments and exonerate gun owners.”

Memos, Emails and More

Annex A of Gagné’s decision starting on Page 19 is eight pages of the types of documents to be handed over.

They include “Certified copies of all records, research, analysis, policy papers, briefing reports, studies, proposals, presentations, reports, memos, opinions, advice, letters, emails and any other communications that were prepared, commissioned, considered or received” by the government.

Seeing the Evidence — Ek

“We are confident that we will get to see much more than what the government wanted us to see, which was nothing!” said Nils Ek, a national pistol competitor and one of the court applicants.

The entire Federal Court Order to Produce Evidence can be found here:

https://thegunblog.ca/2021/05/31/fed...-2020-attacks/

[IronNoggin]

Gun lobbies, gun control advocates favour end of latest Liberal bill as Commons recess nears

The absence of a controversial firearm bill among priority bills the Liberals want to get through Parliament over the next few weeks has both gun lobbies and gun-control groups relieved.

When Public Safety and National Security Minister Bill Blair tabled Bill C-21 in the House of Commons last February, the legislation was likely intended to take pressure off the government after its even more controversial firearm prohibition order last year.

The measure sparked a Federal Court challenge by gun owners and businesses and the court case continues.

As the Commons nears its scheduled recess date nine sitting days away, June 23, it appears unlikely Bill C-21 will make it into the Public Safety and National Security committee for close scrutiny and evidence.

“C-21’s lack of inclusion in the government’s agenda demonstrates the bill’s lack of necessity,” said Tony Bernardo, executive director of Canadian Shooting Sports Association.

“Sport shooters are not using their firearms for evil, but gang crime is sweeping the country,” Bernardo said Friday in an email exchange from Oshawa, Ont., which is located east of Toronto.

“It is abundantly clear that gang violence is where the government needs to prioritize its efforts, not legislating against RCMP-approved and licensed firearms owners,” he said, reflecting common views of gun owners that have been prevalent through the Liberal government’s gun control program since 2015.

https://ipolitics.ca/2021/06/11/gun-...-recess-nears/

[32-40win]

I'm of the opinion that maybe the propaganda we ought to also be espousing against the Libs, is that they do support the drug trade, along with some other parts of the provincial & municipal govt's in this country. They support the money laundering side of it. Good piece in the National Post today about their attitudes and the changes to laws they have made, and what they won't do that would undercut the drug trade money launderers, and relieve the housing situation somewhat.

https://nationalpost.com/tag/money-laundering/