running coyotes with dogs?

[predatorzedge]

I was interested in getting dogs to run coyotes in alberta, but cant get any info from fish an wildlife as to if its legal or illegal, apparently grey area. I tried the outfitters 1 800 number an they said same thing. Dogs arent to kill coyotes but to push them from cover an corner them for the purpose of skinning, anyone got any info on these regulations?

[sourdough doug]

prob a post on the hunting forum might get more reads. Trappers do not use dogs for this purpose.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by predatorzedge

I was interested in getting dogs to run coyotes in alberta, but cant get any info from fish an wildlife as to if its legal or illegal, apparently grey area. I tried the outfitters 1 800 number an they said same thing. Dogs arent to kill coyotes but to push them from cover an corner them for the purpose of skinning, anyone got any info on these regulations?

At one time there were several guys running hounds on coyotes. about 2001 they got soem bad publicity and the gov chanegd the laws. It is my understanding that now a depredation permit is required. This is obtainable with proof that coyotes have caused livestock losses or damage.

Try calling. Very effective and user friendly. it is easier to carry two or three calls than even one dog

[predatorzedge]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

At one time there were several guys running hounds on coyotes. about 2001 they got soem bad publicity and the gov chanegd the laws. It is my understanding that now a depredation permit is required. This is obtainable with proof that coyotes have caused livestock losses or damage.

Try calling. Very effective and user friendly. it is easier to carry two or three calls than even one dog

i do lots of calling got some nice thick long haired coyotes one a 50 pounder, made a nice skin, but would like to run the call shy ones throuh the willows and thick stuff.

[NCC]

From what I remember, Redfrog has it right. You can use dogs for predator control but not for sport. If you get some dogs, are looking for a place to use them, and are willing to drive north, send me a PM.

[KI-UTE]

Dogs can be used, but it has to be done with a permit, whether for sport or damage control. The permit will designate a 1/4 section of land that you may hunt.

So the dog thing is legal, guys get a couple of permits, then run their dogs wherever they feel like. Good system huh? Chase the coyotes with the truck long enough that the coyote tires, then turn the dogs loose so they can rip the coyote from end to end. F&W turn a blind eye unless complaints start to come in.

However, a much better sport is made when dogs are used in conjunction with predator calling as "Decoy Dogs", however because of all the use of "running dogs" in the past, a blanket law was put in place as to the use of dogs for hunting coyotes with a permit only.

A distinction needs to be made separating the two activities, hunting with running dogs and hunting with decoy dogs. Permits should still need to be issued for the unethical running dog usage, but decoy dogs should be regulated only as much as bird dogs used in the act of bird hunting are.

[catnthehat]

How about doing it the way it's done with tracking hounds- running them and listnening to them bay, then trying to figure where they will cross to get a shot with a varmint rifle, or a shotgun.
One guy on snowshoes following the dogs.
This is the way I use to hunt them, and it was a very good time.\We sometimes killed one, sometimes two, but most times simply listened to the hounds bay!
Cat

[Scar270]

Ki-ute, you should learn a little more about what you are talking about, I ran coyotes with grey hounds for years with my grandpa, we didn't do anything like you are talking about.

We never ran them down with the truck, there was no need, the hounds run faster then you can offroad with the truck, and they are fast enough to catch most rested coyotes on a straight run, we lost more that got into the bush and eluded the hounds then ones that ever out ran them.

They don't tear a coyote from end to end, they flip them over and go right to the jugular, I won't claim it was an instant kill, but probably quicker then guys taking pot shots at anything and gut shooting them at 4 and 500 yards. Often by the time we could get there the coyote was dead, if not we dispatched them with a .22lr.

I don't know anything about decoy dogs, but you are seriously misinformed on running dogs with grey hounds.

[jacob1202]

4 greyhounds and an irish wolfhound make for some interesting coyote hunting... the greys catch it and hold it down till the wolfhound gets there to finish the job...anyone want to go coyote hunting with me? LOL

[predatorzedge]

I would definately be up for that, seen hounds on cougars but none on coyotes always good to learn before hand, if yur close by I will come check it out pick me pick me pick me

[GummyMonster]

I'm glad someone has put truthful info on here about coursing hounds. I have a bit of experience with them from many years ago.
Seemed like an awesome sport! Kill's I saw were pretty humane overall.
As far as using a truck to run them down, and training the dogs to "rip them to shreds", come on ki-ute
There has been cases of people running over big game with trucks too, but I don't call them hunters and try to say that's how all people do it.
Just my two cents
Good luck and good day
Ken

[predatorzedge]

Well sounds like the hounds should be on their way here in a week or two, lookin forward to my bluetick walkers, been a long time since had a hunting dog. Now just to trainem.

[rhuntley12]

Originally Posted by jacob1202

4 greyhounds and an irish wolfhound make for some interesting coyote hunting... the greys catch it and hold it down till the wolfhound gets there to finish the job...anyone want to go coyote hunting with me? LOL

I'd be interested too bad you are in Edmonton! Would love to see something like that. My better halfs Grandfather used to have wolfhounds that would do that with the coyotes.

[Theganch]

Agreed,
I think if guys are to lazy and must hunt with dogs.... Why don't we chase them with dogs and see how they feel...I think hunting with dogs is very unethical... Can you amagin the feeling of terror. What a great way to die!! Not to mention it gives the tree huggers ammo on the way some people think of animals.... And gives us ethical hunters a hard time trying to repair he damage by such crap

[unclebuck]

Thegotch, I am happy to see that you & kiute have your halo's all polished, and more than willing to wear them while you are on your soapboxes. Perhaps you should accompany someone hunting with hounds before you condemn any and all that have hunted with hounds, and all of those that might like to!!!

[predatorzedge]

Originally Posted by Theganch

Agreed,
I think if guys are to lazy and must hunt with dogs.... Why don't we chase them with dogs and see how they feel...I think hunting with dogs is very unethical... Can you amagin the feeling of terror. What a great way to die!! Not to mention it gives the tree huggers ammo on the way some people think of animals.... And gives us ethical hunters a hard time trying to repair he damage by such crap

ok there gonch, i predator hunt by calling coyotes on farms where the coyotes are costing farmers a hellofalot of money from damage to cows and sheep. The hounds are a last resort to call shy coyotes, another words ones that I have tried everyithing to get. If you wanna talk about being unethical tell people to quit driving vehicles on the road cause they sever and wound more damn wildlife than a hound ever would. For second i wouldnt be killin the coyotes with my hounds they would bay them or push them from cover so i can shoot them. ask some questions before you yap of unethical, if you dont agree take your opinions and start a thread stationg how unfair it all is and leave this thread alone. There is good info on this thread. So you an kiyute can ky yi right out of here. man that burns me.

[Kim473]

My dad used to hunt them with grey hounds. Had a box on the truck for the dogs to sleep and ride with a line to the drivers window, when one was spoted stop the truck pull string, dogs would jump out and look all directions, they new something was around. They would chase the coyote down within 300 yards. Coyotes are stupid they will run 100 yards then stop and look, and repete. If he was not dead by the time the old man got there he would just hit him in the head with a bat. 6 Dogs no match.
He also tried breading a wolfhound with the greyhound and got a dog that looked like a greyhound with over sized paws. Very clumbsy
His hounds would get tired after about 1/2 mile but the wolfhound would be just getting warmed up about then and go for miles. His hounds could run over 35 mph, Would play with the truck at 25 mph.

[jacob1202]

thaganch.... this ones for you partner... just keep on keepin on... bein all ethical and stuff... we wont mention the countless number of animals youve prolly gutshot in your life... can u imagine the terror of that? thats whats wrong with this damn world today... everybody is always so worried about what everyone else is doing... if there is a coyote on my property its gonna die with whatever is closest to hand... i usually have the dogs with me and cuz of people like u its an abomination to carry a rifle around in your truck anymore... cuz its apparently UNETHICAL

[Albertacoyotecaller]

I grew up first hunting coyotes behind dogs. mainly whippets in SW Ontario. This is a fun but hard way to hunt yotes.

Like some others suggested, try calling. Much more effective in my opinion.

Greg

[jakebrake]

Hi everyone.I'm one of the guys that used to chase coyotes with hounds,I quit about 15 years ago.I used to use greyhound and irish cross, when I moved to the peace country nobody used dogs up here to chase coyotes.The first few years the coyotes would stand waiting to whip the farmers farm dog and buy the time they realized what was comming at them well it was to late for the coyote.If you have a good killing dog all you will have is a few small holes in the neck area to sew up.I used to love hunting with hounds and the dogs loved it to and it wasn't only about catching coyotes it was the love of the dogs also, to see which was the fastest hounds and alot of the areas I hunted had cattle and most wanted the coyotes gone.Coyotes need to be controlled and right not many people don't have the time to hunt them, in my area the coyotes are getting very brave and comming in the yards and killing cats and fighting with the dogs (not greyhounds)as you can tell I'm not a coyote lover and it will remain that way.

[predatorzedge]

wish it were legal an not such a gong show to do it