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11-16-2019, 01:01 PM
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Can cannabis kill the user?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canna...nada-1.5362007
With cannabis being legal the studies coming out seem to be showing there is harm from cannibis usage.
Not a benign drug for everyone.
Any users see or hear of CHS?
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11-16-2019, 01:16 PM
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Well I took some of the wife's thc oil one night for pain cause she swears by it and let me tell you. I was pretty sure I was gonna die for like 6 hours and was paralyzed lol.
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11-16-2019, 01:27 PM
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Come on, all the Pot Heads and activists know it's harmless.
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11-16-2019, 01:33 PM
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It wasn’t a problem when it was illegal
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11-16-2019, 01:49 PM
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Like anything, moderation is key. After reading article, it looks like illness is linked to "heavy" use. Same thing with alcohol. Drinking too much daily can give you many issues. Moderation does not apply to fishing however, that you can do daily.
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11-16-2019, 03:09 PM
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11-16-2019, 01:58 PM
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Ya some of the grades they have now are awesome and seem to be more potent, they also have their names to go with it. One or two puffs for me now and I'm done. The more you use the more tolerant you get. They had names before also. Acapulco Gold, Elephant Weed, Wheelchair Pot, Thai Stick, just to name a few.
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11-16-2019, 02:28 PM
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Didn’t do George Michael any good.....he smoked 20 per day
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11-16-2019, 02:37 PM
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The antis have been desperately trying for decades to link a single death to smoking weed. I doubt this case will be proven to be caused by weed either. For the ridiculously high usage level of weed and the ridiculously low level of death caused by it, you'd think people would move on to fry bigger fish by now.
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11-16-2019, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by kingrat
Well I took some of the wife's thc oil one night for pain cause she swears by it and let me tell you. I was pretty sure I was gonna die for like 6 hours and was paralyzed lol.
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THC oil sure helps me sleeps, nothing for pain. However CBD oil works for pain. THC affects your BRAIN, CBD affects your body ...Just sayin'
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11-16-2019, 01:33 PM
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Never heard of CHS with cannabis. Read the article and thought hmmmm. Could be possible with the street stuff being laced with who knows what. That would only be a guess on my part. As far as a habitual constant smoker, I don't think so. Maybe if you could find 50% THC, then your smoking something else. Street chit will get laced. The stuff you buy from regulated legal growers....no. I've told some a lot younger than me that back in the day I've smoked more weed than they will ever see in their life. Gave it up about 20 yrs ago and now legal, just puff once in a while now (once a month maybe). This kid in my opinion had underlying problems. I'm still here and so are my friends. My thoughts
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11-16-2019, 03:31 PM
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Went into my first pot store yesterday quite the experience, I smoked for 20 plus years tried every year to get it legalized now it's legalized and I can't smoke anymore LOL. Oh well Edibles will be out in a month or two
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11-17-2019, 10:51 AM
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The truth is, it depends on your personality and your life style as well as a number of genetic factors.
Do I believe it is is physically harmful?
Not really, no.
But it goes deeper than that.
I am deaf and have ADHD and a very addictive personality.
Weed ruined my life. I was fine for many years with a casual toke here and there and then I got hurt and began smoking every day. Pretty quickly I went to sleep stoned and woke up stoned.
It saps your will to live when you do that, there was so much more to be done that I was ignoring in favor of just getting high. I stopped doing my hobbies, ate like crap and gained a ton of weight ... it took me a really hard struggle to get off it.
It’s not physically addictive but it really is psychologically and like anything else can really screw up your life when not moderated — and some people just don’t have the ability to moderate it.
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11-17-2019, 12:51 PM
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'Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome' (CHS)
About three years ago (when weed was still illegal) a friend of my Son's, survived a horrible case of CHS ... it almost killed him.
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11-18-2019, 09:04 AM
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Took one of my kids to the emergency with similar symptoms the doctor picked it up right away. Now the kid way 21 at the time but we still had a heart to heart, the great thing is he dialed back and learned a lesson in moderation. To be honest if I had to chose smoking too much weed or drinking too much (like I did those first years of living on my own) , with what I think now I’ll take the weed, not nearly as addictive and destructive as booze.
Still too much is still bad
Nothing is perfectly safe, and people need to remember that.
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11-18-2019, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by thirty-30
Weed ruined my life. I was fine for many years with a casual toke here and there and then I got hurt and began smoking every day. Pretty quickly I went to sleep stoned and woke up stoned.
It saps your will to live when you do that, there was so much more to be done that I was ignoring in favor of just getting high. I stopped doing my hobbies, ate like crap and gained a ton of weight ... it took me a really hard struggle to get off it.
It’s not physically addictive but it really is psychologically and like anything else can really screw up your life when not moderated — and some people just don’t have the ability to moderate it.
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It sure nuff can kill ya if ya mess with Bubba's stash.
I have watched too many close relatives go down the road you took thirty-30.
It may not kill you but it sure can wreck a young life. Big brothers son has been struggling with it for years. At 16 he showed all the promise any father could hope for. Had a great reputation as a hard worker and friends everywhere. These days he has no friends and no interest in making anything of his life.
My son didn't get into it as much but he has paid a steep price for playing with it. Was doing fine, had a good job and reputation as a good worker. These days all he wants to do is play video games and smoke his weed.
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11-18-2019, 09:57 AM
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I will tell you what it did kill.
I had a date on Saturday night. Really good looking gal. She was even in some B level type movies. Short, small, had it all going for her.
Unfortunately, she showed up stinking of weed and stoned out of her mind. Went to the restaurant, long line, I cancelled the date, sent her on her way.
She wasn't happy. I told her to show some god damn respect next time and not show up high as a kite. Not sure why I haven't heard back from her yet.
So, yeah, killed a perfectly good date.
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11-18-2019, 10:15 AM
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I will tell you what it did kill.
I had a date on Saturday night. Really good looking gal. She was even in some B level type movies. Short, small, had it all going for her.
Unfortunately, she showed up stinking of weed and stoned out of her mind. Went to the restaurant, long line, I cancelled the date, sent her on her way.
She wasn't happy. I told her to show some god damn respect next time and not show up high as a kite. Not sure why I haven't heard back from her yet.
So, yeah, killed a perfectly good date.
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That's rough man.
I hated the dating game. It was hard enough to find someone intersting, then to have it go south before the first date was ten minutes old really sucked. Had it happen a few times.
One wanted me to drive her to her dealers place, another started the date by dissing natives, another showed up with her x boyfriend.
Fourteen years without one single date that was worth my time.
Lots of single women out there but they are single for a reason.
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11-18-2019, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie
I will tell you what it did kill.
I had a date on Saturday night. Really good looking gal. She was even in some B level type movies. Short, small, had it all going for her.
Unfortunately, she showed up stinking of weed and stoned out of her mind. Went to the restaurant, long line, I cancelled the date, sent her on her way.
She wasn't happy. I told her to show some god damn respect next time and not show up high as a kite. Not sure why I haven't heard back from her yet.
So, yeah, killed a perfectly good date.
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What a stupid man
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11-24-2019, 11:17 AM
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I guess it's aftereffect can. Say when a person has some halucinations or something and doesn't control themselves. Heard that cannabis worsens memory really seriously and can damage the brain.
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11-24-2019, 11:32 AM
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What a stupid man
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About 2 am I was thinking the same thing!!!
LOLOLOL
I watched part of the movies she was in. They were kinda dumb as well. LOLOL
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11-24-2019, 08:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
I will tell you what it did kill.
I had a date on Saturday night. Really good looking gal. She was even in some B level type movies. Short, small, had it all going for her.
Unfortunately, she showed up stinking of weed and stoned out of her mind. Went to the restaurant, long line, I cancelled the date, sent her on her way.
She wasn't happy. I told her to show some god damn respect next time and not show up high as a kite. Not sure why I haven't heard back from her yet.
So, yeah, killed a perfectly good date.
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You could umm.... send her my way
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11-24-2019, 10:40 PM
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You could umm.... send her my way
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Well, he could, but sounds like she's likely to get lost on the way.
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11-24-2019, 12:39 PM
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WHo knows what he was smoking. He is 17, strike one. He is purchasing illegally, strike two. Attempting to tie this to marijuana without a clean, regulated source is both unscientific and ignorant.
Mind you soft times create soft men. Something has to clean out the weak genes.
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11-24-2019, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jayhad
WHo knows what he was smoking. He is 17, strike one. He is purchasing illegally, strike two. Attempting to tie this to marijuana without a clean, regulated source is both unscientific and ignorant.
Mind you soft times create soft men. Something has to clean out the weak genes.
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You seem to have taken a very narrow absorption of the information.
CHS while rare is a real thing attached to excessive pot use. Pot is not entirely benign on the human body like some purport. Not only does it have nasty impacts on a growing brain...but in extreme cases it has been proven to kill the user.
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/health-...-syndrome.html
What is cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?
Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome (CHS) is a condition that leads to repeated and severe bouts of vomiting. It is rare and only occurs in daily long-term users of marijuana.
Marijuana has several active substances. These include THC and related chemicals. These substances bind to molecules found in the brain. That causes the drug “high” and other effects that users feel.
Your digestive tract also has a number of molecules that bind to THC and related substances. So marijuana also affects the digestive tract. For example, the drug can change the time it takes the stomach to empty. It also affects the esophageal sphincter. That’s the tight band of muscle that opens and closes to let food from the esophagus into the stomach. Long-term marijuana use can change the way the affected molecules respond and lead to the symptoms of CHS.
Marijuana is the most widely used illegal drug in the U.S. Young adults are the most frequent users. A small number of these people develop CHS. It often only happens in people who have regularly used marijuana for several years. Often CHS affects those who use the drug at least once a day.
What causes cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?
Marijuana has very complex effects on the body. Experts are still trying to learn exactly how it causes CHS in some people.
In the brain, marijuana often has the opposite effect of CHS. It helps prevent nausea and vomiting. The drug is also good at stopping such symptoms in people having chemotherapy.
But in the digestive tract, marijuana seems to have the opposite effect. It actually makes you more likely to have nausea and vomiting. With the first use of marijuana, the signals from the brain may be more important. That may lead to anti-nausea effects at first. But with repeated use of marijuana, certain receptors in the brain may stop responding to the drug in the same way. That may cause the repeated bouts of vomiting found in people with CHS.
It still isn’t clear why some heavy marijuana users get the syndrome, but others don't.
What are the symptoms of cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?
People with CHS suffer from repeated bouts of vomiting. In between these episodes are times without any symptoms. Healthcare providers often divide these symptoms into 3 stages: the prodromal phase, the hyperemetic phase, and the recovery phase.
Prodromal phase. During this phase, the main symptoms are often early morning nausea and belly (abdominal) pain. Some people also develop a fear of vomiting. Most people keep normal eating patterns during this time. Some people use more marijuana because they think it will help stop the nausea. This phase may last for months or years.
Hyperemetic phase. Symptoms during this time may include:
Ongoing nausea
Repeated episodes of vomiting
Belly pain
Decreased food intake and weight loss
Symptoms of fluid loss (dehydration)
During this phase, vomiting is often intense and overwhelming. Many people take a lot of hot showers during the day. They find that doing so eases their nausea. (That may be because of how the hot temperature affects a part of the brain called the hypothalamus. This part of the brain effects both temperature regulation and vomiting.) People often first seek medical care during this phase.
The hyperemetic phase may continue until the person completely stops using marijuana. Then the recovery phrase starts.
Recovery phase. During this time, symptoms go away. Normal eating is possible again. This phase can last days or months. Symptoms often come back if the person tries marijuana again.
How is cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome diagnosed?
Many health problems can cause repeated vomiting. To make a diagnosis, your healthcare provider will ask you about your symptoms and your past health. He or she will also do a physical exam, including an exam of your belly.
Your healthcare provider may also need more tests to rule out other causes of the vomiting. That’s especially the case for ones that may signal a health emergency. Based on your other symptoms, these tests might include:
Blood tests for anemia and infection
Tests for electrolytes
Tests for pancreas and liver enzymes, to check these organs
Pregnancy test
Urine analysis, to test for infection or other urinary causes
Drug screen, to test for drug-related causes of vomiting
X-rays of the belly, to check for things such as a blockage
Upper endoscopy, to view the stomach and esophagus for possible causes of vomiting
Head CT scan, if a nervous system cause of vomiting seems likely
Abdominal CT scan, to check for health problems that might need surgery
CHS was only recently discovered. So some healthcare providers may not know about it. As a result, they may not spot it for many years. They often confuse CHS with cyclical vomiting disorder. That is a health problem that causes similar symptoms. A specialist trained in diseases of the digestive tract (gastroenterologist) might make the diagnosis.
You may have CHS if you have all of these:
Long-term weekly and daily marijuana use
Belly pain
Severe, repeated nausea and vomiting
You feel better after taking a hot shower
There is no single test that confirms this diagnosis. Only improvement after quitting marijuana confirms the diagnosis.
How is cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome treated?
If you have had severe vomiting, you might need to stay in the hospital for a short time. During the hyperemesis phase, you might need these treatments:
IV (intravenous) fluid replacement for dehydration
Medicines to help decrease vomiting
Pain medicine
Proton-pump inhibitors, to treat stomach inflammation
Frequent hot showers
In a small sample of people with CHS, rubbing capsaicin cream on the belly helped decrease pain and nausea. The chemicals in the cream have the same effect as a hot shower
Symptoms often ease after a day or 2 unless marijuana is used before this time.
To fully get better, you need to stop using marijuana all together. Some people may get help from drug rehab programs to help them quit. Cognitive behavioral therapy or family therapy can also help. If you stop using marijuana, your symptoms should not come back.
What are possible complications of cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?
Very severe, prolonged vomiting may lead to dehydration. It may also lead to electrolyte problems in your blood. If untreated, these can cause rare complications such as:
Muscle spasms or weakness
Seizures
Kidney failure
Heart rhythm abnormalities
Shock
In very rare cases, brain swelling (cerebral edema)
Your healthcare team will quickly work to fix any dehydration or electrolyte problems. Doing so can help prevent these problems.
What can I do to prevent cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?
You can prevent CHS by not using marijuana in any form. You may not want to believe that marijuana may be the underlying cause of your symptoms. That may be because you have used it for many years without having any problems. The syndrome may take several years to develop. The drug may help prevent nausea in new users who don’t use it often. But people with CHS need to completely stop using it. If they don’t, their symptoms will likely come back.
Quitting marijuana may lead to other health benefits, such as:
Better lung function
Improved memory and thinking skills
Better sleep
Decreased risk for depression and anxiety
When should I call my healthcare provider?
Call your healthcare provider if you have had severe vomiting for a day or more.
Key points about cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome
CHS is a condition that leads to repeated and severe bouts of vomiting. It results from long-term use of marijuana.
Most people self-treat using hot showers to help reduce their symptoms.
Some people with CHS may not be diagnosed for several years. Admitting to your healthcare provider that you use marijuana daily can speed up the diagnosis.
You might need to stay in the hospital to treat dehydration from CHS.
Symptoms start to go away within a day or 2 after stopping marijuana use.
Symptoms almost always come back if you use marijuana again.
Next steps
Tips to help you get the most from a visit to your healthcare provider:
Know the reason for your visit and what you want to happen.
Before your visit, write down questions you want answered.
Bring someone with you to help you ask questions and remember what your provider tells you.
At the visit, write down the name of a new diagnosis, and any new medicines, treatments, or tests. Also write down any new instructions your provider gives you.
Know why a new medicine or treatment is prescribed, and how it will help you. Also know what the side effects are.
Ask if your condition can be treated in other ways.
Know why a test or procedure is recommended and what the results could mean.
Know what to expect if you do not take the medicine or have the test or procedure.
If you have a follow-up appointment, write down the date, time, and purpose for that visit.
Know how you can contact your provider if you have questions.
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