Moose and elk with rage?

mrb985 · #1 06-19-2014, 05:13 PM

hey all,

I know this will be a split vote or even most on the fixed blade side. Have any of you used a mechanical on moose or elk and how does it work for you? I mean Tom Miranda used them to do the super slam..... what is your experience?

NBFK · #2 06-19-2014, 05:22 PM

Grim reaper 1 3/8" and my last two bulls didn't go far.
63lb carbon matrix.

One was 7 yrds and one was 53yrds. One was quartering to and one was quartering away.

J.B. · #3 06-19-2014, 05:28 PM

Dumped an elk with grim reapers last year. No complaints.

mrb985 · #4 06-19-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by J.B.

Dumped an elk with grim reapers last year. No complaints.

Very nice!

Lefty-Canuck · #5 06-19-2014, 05:52 PM

Shot my P&Y elk with Grim Reapers 100gr razor tips last year, pass through @ 35 yards and lots of blood.

LC

north american hunter · #6 06-19-2014, 06:01 PM

Myself and my son used grim reapers on bears with a crossbow in 2012, my bear went 15 yards. Best expandable broadheads on the market as far as I am concerned.

mrb985 · #7 06-19-2014, 06:14 PM

im looking at using the 2 blade or maybe the new hypodermics

north american hunter · #8 06-19-2014, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mrb985

im looking at using the 2 blade or maybe the new hypodermics

I have actually heard great things about the hypodermics.

Stumpslayer · #9 06-19-2014, 09:23 PM

Two years ago, I found a bull moose dead...shot quartering away with a three blade rage...only went in about 5 inches hit liver but never made it to the lungs, with all that hair and hide, if it was a fixed...I think it would have hit the mark...angle was good for a kill shot.

I'd rather see someone using fixed on large game...just my opinion, that and anyone with low draw weight should not shoot mechanicals at anything they intend to harvest.

Just my take on this subject.

damn_missed_again · #10 06-19-2014, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stumpslayer

Two years ago, I found a bull moose dead...shot quartering away with a three blade rage...only went in about 5 inches hit liver but never made it to the lungs, with all that hair and hide, if it was a fixed...I think it would have hit the mark...angle was good for a kill shot.

I'd rather see someone using fixed on large game...just my opinion, that and anyone with low draw weight should not shoot mechanicals at anything they intend to harvest.

Just my take on this subject.

Okay I need some education on this subject. What's the rationale for not wanting to use expandables on moose and elk?? I am planning on using the rage 2 blade 2.3" this fall. Should I be reconsidering this? I'm shooting a Bowtech carbon knight at 70lbs. Is penetration the issue? Thanks

Lefty-Canuck · #11 06-19-2014, 09:59 PM

Why use a two blade when there are 3 blade broad heads?

A slit (2 blade) broad head and "plug up" and clot up faster than 3 flaps (3 blade)....in my experience and opinion a 3 or 4 blade head is superior to a two blade.

LC

damn_missed_again · #12 06-19-2014, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Why use a two blade when there are 3 blade broad heads?

A slit (2 blade) broad head and "plug up" and clot up faster than 3 flaps (3 blade)....in my experience and opinion a 3 or 4 blade head is superior to a two blade.

LC

So are you saying that the three blade expandables are better? Should I look at those? Or at fixed blades?

normanrd · #13 06-19-2014, 10:33 PM

Get any good 3 blade mechanical and don't look back. My vote is for grim reapers. My hunting partner and I have harvested more than a couple of elk and moose with them and they function more than adequately! Seriously!

albertabighorn · #14 06-20-2014, 12:04 AM

Rage 2 blade 100's pass through of bull moose

Tabers Best · #15 06-20-2014, 01:04 AM

Hypodermic....

Fixed anything that anybody could complain about rage.

Only thing that truly flied EXACTLY the same as my field points. Exactly for all five pins.

As a side not I see rage came out with a real fancy 3 blade this year.

Settle&release · #16 06-20-2014, 09:20 PM

Anybody try the t3's from G5? They fly just like my field points. On YouTube penetration looks good but that's youtube haha

Full Curl Earl · #17 06-20-2014, 09:43 PM

Since I went from fixed to the two blade Rage I have never looked back.
Put one into a Canadian Bull moose couple years ago, through a rib on the way in, and he went 110 yards and was done. The 2"+ entry hole makes finding animals easy.
There's lots of great/favorite broadheads out there, this is mine.

mrb985 · #18 06-20-2014, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Full Curl Earl

Since I went from fixed to the two blade Rage I have never looked back.
Put one into a Canadian Bull moose couple years ago, through a rib on the way in, and he went 110 yards and was done. The 2"+ entry hole makes finding animals easy.
There's lots of great/favorite broadheads out there, this is mine.

love reading that!

Crazy4MooseHunting · #19 06-21-2014, 09:34 AM

Shot my elk at 50 yds. Pass through and stuck in the ground a couple inchs. That was with the 2" grimreaper. Going with the 1 3/8 this year.

brendan's dad · #20 06-21-2014, 11:14 AM

Why a lot of people have failures with mech's is not the BH's fault but the user. Since they are using a mech. they do not test their flight with a fixed BH and they are failing to address tuning issues. Mech's work optimally when striking 90 degrees to the target. Some designs can take more angle than others but at some point they will all fail. So if the arrow is still fish tailing or cork screwing when it hits, you not only lose penetration but risk a failure to deploy. My advice is to buy a pack of fixed, ST's Muzzy's what ever. Tune it properly but don't get over anal, hitting within 2-3 inches of your FP at 40 yards is good. Then screw on the Mech's and go hunt. Also while you are doing the tuning you may surprise yourself and want to stick with the fixed BH based on their flight and reliability.

I shoot ST's primarily but I have 1 grim reaper in the quiver if the right shot presents itself. If I was going strictly mech I would use the Grim Reapers or NAP Spit Fires 3 blades.

Good Luck

Good Luck

3blade · #21 06-21-2014, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Why a lot of people have failures with mech's is not the BH's fault but the user. Since they are using a mech. they do not test their flight with a fixed BH and they are failing to address tuning issues. Mech's work optimally when striking 90 degrees to the target. Some designs can take more angle than others but at some point they will all fail. So if the arrow is still fish tailing or cork screwing when it hits, you not only lose penetration but risk a failure to deploy. My advice is to buy a pack of fixed, ST's Muzzy's what ever. Tune it properly but don't get over anal, hitting within 2-3 inches of your FP at 40 yards is good. Then screw on the Mech's and go hunt. Also while you are doing the tuning you may surprise yourself and want to stick with the fixed BH based on their flight and reliability.

I shoot ST's primarily but I have 1 grim reaper in the quiver if the right shot presents itself. If I was going strictly mech I would use the Grim Reapers or NAP Spit Fires 3 blades.

Good Luck

Yep.

And that's why I shoot and recommend fixed blade, three blade broadheads. If someone doesnt want to spend the time tuning for perfect flight, they shouldn't be shooting at animals. "Good enough" is, till it isn't, and then you have a very long tracking job. A lot of animals shot with "good enough" are never recovered.

Regarding 2 vs 3 blades, the 'flaps' created by a 3 blade head move around and stay open far longer than a 'slit' from a 2 blade head.

SWODM3 · #22 06-21-2014, 06:13 PM

I took a cow elk last year with a grim reaper 100 grain expandable. She took a nap after going 20 yards. I have taken two animals with those heads now and have no complaints.

NayNay · #23 06-21-2014, 08:41 PM

100gr Rage Hypodermic 2013

100gr Rage 2 blade 2011

mrb985 · #24 06-21-2014, 09:28 PM

Nice lookin bull! hope I can drop one this year as well!

north american hunter · #25 06-21-2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NayNay

100gr Rage Hypodermic 2013

100gr Rage 2 blade 2011

Nice bull Nathan, how did you like the hypodermic?

Sakoman · #26 06-21-2014, 09:38 PM

Took my bull elk at 30 yards with a Rage Hypodermic. Will be using them for my moose hunt this fall.

NayNay · #27 06-22-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by north american hunter

Nice bull Nathan, how did you like the hypodermic?

Phill used them last year not me. Zero damage to the head/blades other than it needed to be resharpened.

I shot the second bull in the post a few years ago. Quartering away shot and arrow only penetrated 6-8", I got the liver but didn't recover my bull until the next morning. Switched to 125gr buzzcuts after that.

calgarychef · #28 06-22-2014, 03:16 PM

The problems encountered with mechanicals have to do with "cartwheeling" on an angled shot. This has been proved over and over again, so those who have had good results on broadside shots and are recommending them might change their opinions after an angled shot goes bad.

The advise about tuning with fixed heads first is pretty good advise in my books.

NBFK · #29 06-22-2014, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by calgarychef

The problems encountered with mechanicals have to do with "cartwheeling" on an angled shot. This has been proved over and over again, so those who have had good results on broadside shots and are recommending them might change their opinions after an angled shot goes bad.

The advise about tuning with fixed heads first is pretty good advise in my books.

Grim reapers tips are 5/8" away from where the blades start. They have independently spring loaded blades so that steep angle shots are no problem. That first bull I posted was quartering to so hard that the broadhead ended up in his hind quarter. There are videos on the internet showing grims being shot into a piece of plywood on a 45 degree angle.

LA_bowhunter · #30 06-23-2014, 08:33 AM

I wouldn't use anything but a Rage. Great head, everything I shoot at dies and is recovered in a few short steps. These are just a few of the 50+ big game animals that I have shot with Rage or Snypers (Rage precursor) over the last 10-12 years. I have seen many heads have issues over the years and helped more than one buddy try to recover animals that were poorly hit due to a number of reasons (poor arrow flight, shot angle, hit bone etc) and most heads will have issues with a poorly placed shot. I shoot the Rage because they will have the most consistent flight and help reduce any influences I may have on my shooting due to being crouched, excited or anything else that may happen when you are in the field. As for the big animals, the Rage have performed just fine on moose and Elk for me, one of my hunting buddies had a complete pass-through on a moose at 60 yards a few years back.