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Old 05-13-2019, 05:42 AM
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Unfortunately, I am not allowed to give my opinion since it does not agree with the views of those on this thread.
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:06 AM
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Guns are as Canadian as maple syrup. People outside cities use them often for protection. Sport shooting is very popular.

There is no debate. There is no need for a ban. Cities such as Toronto have skyrocketing crime rate and hate of guns didn’t help them at all. If the current federal government wants to have a debate I am sure they add one more nail to their coffin.
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:57 AM
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How many handguns are stolen in this country from properly licensed owners and how many of the stolen handguns are then used for armed robberies and other gun violence? Let’s face it a handgun ban would at least reduce this problem.
Would work about as well as a crime ban. All a ban will do is increase imports of illegal weapons and spawn an illegal clandestine gun manufacturing industry. The market for illegal guns has long existed, someone will always satisfy the demand. You do realize it is as easy to manufacture guns as it is to create a grow op or meth lab. Gun bans are a knee jerk reaction to a societal problem that is ignored with no political will to address it. It is a placebo reaction that only has effect on those who believe it will cure something.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:33 AM
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How many handguns are stolen in this country from properly licensed owners and how many of the stolen handguns are then used for armed robberies and other gun violence? Let’s face it a handgun ban would at least reduce this problem.
i'll bite. How many?
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:37 AM
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This isn't, and has never been about protecting the public, it is 100% about political grandstanding. If they really wanted to save lives, they would be better off going after the things that kill the significant number of Canadians, that being tobacco and alcohol. But banning either of those products won't fit into their political agenda.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:05 AM
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How can one government be so clueless ?

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The Liberals’ symbolic gesture of choice now seems to be central storage of handguns and rifles, but only in some major cities. If you live in, say, Toronto and you want to own guns, you might be required to deposit them at a federal warehouse except for when you are taking them hunting or target shooting.


Hahaha. Good pic.

How can they be ? Cause it's just a smoke screen for total disarment. Gun control is about CONTROL ! I doubt there worried about Hobbema petty gangs with sawed off .22s and silly gang bangers in Toronto that hold mags up to revolver butts taking selfies ..... no there worried about fellas like you and i with more guns than we can use but have them anyhow and know how to use them.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:25 AM
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Our current titanic government is heading for the iceberg and are willing to throw gunowners under the bus to save their pathetic skins.
More people are killed crossing the street in TO then are killed with handguns, criminals are a lazy bunch and will always take the path of least resistance if they can't steal them they'll make them.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...ae3274442284a2

Ban guns the crooks will turn it into an opportunity

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rearms-into-uk

This government is a two trick pony tax it or ban it
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:09 PM
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How many handguns are stolen in this country from properly licensed owners and how many of the stolen handguns are then used for armed robberies and other gun violence? Let’s face it a handgun ban would at least reduce this problem.
Its mind blowing that someone that has anything to do with the outdoors could think this. Almost like an anti trying to play along and then blowing their cover...


Seems like the whole ordeal was a test to see the resistance to a move like this.
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:20 PM
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Sounds like AR-15's could be on the chopping block

UPDATE: Liberal Government’s “Sweeping Gun Ban” to Ban AR-15 Rifles
OSHAWA - M.P. Tony Clement’s question about a possible gun ban by Order in Council, combined with Minister Bill Blair’s subsequent non-answer, sparked a firestorm of speculation yesterday.

Today, two separate, unconnected government sources, one of whom has direct knowledge of the plan, confirmed the Liberal government’s proposed “sweeping gun ban” will include the AR-15 target rifle.

We have no information if any other firearms will be included.

Coincidentally, in response to a question from TheGunBlog.ca, the RCMP revealed Canadians own 66,262 AR-15 rifles. i

In 2016, the RCMP reported 84,288 “registered AR-15 type rifles and variants” in response to an Access to Information Request filed by firearm researcher Dennis Young. ii

Given a low estimate of $1500 per firearm, such a buyback would cost $126 million to the taxpayers of Canada. There has only been ONE (stolen) AR-15 used in the commission of a crime (2004) in Canada.

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Old 05-13-2019, 11:22 PM
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Sounds like AR-15's could be on the chopping block

UPDATE: Liberal Government’s “Sweeping Gun Ban” to Ban AR-15 Rifles
OSHAWA - M.P. Tony Clement’s question about a possible gun ban by Order in Council, combined with Minister Bill Blair’s subsequent non-answer, sparked a firestorm of speculation yesterday.

Today, two separate, unconnected government sources, one of whom has direct knowledge of the plan, confirmed the Liberal government’s proposed “sweeping gun ban” will include the AR-15 target rifle.

We have no information if any other firearms will be included.

Coincidentally, in response to a question from TheGunBlog.ca, the RCMP revealed Canadians own 66,262 AR-15 rifles. i

In 2016, the RCMP reported 84,288 “registered AR-15 type rifles and variants” in response to an Access to Information Request filed by firearm researcher Dennis Young. ii

Given a low estimate of $1500 per firearm, such a buyback would cost $126 million to the taxpayers of Canada. There has only been ONE (stolen) AR-15 used in the commission of a crime (2004) in Canada.

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the government and "law enforcers" doesn't care, cause they're not the one's paying for it. The poor suckers of Cancuckistan are.
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Old 05-19-2019, 12:46 PM
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Blair not ruling out federal order to implement potential handgun ban

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/blai...-ban-1.4427928
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Blair not ruling out federal order to implement potential handgun ban

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/blai...-ban-1.4427928
If this is all about safety, stop allowing illegal border crossers and terrorists into our country. And start dealing harshly with criminals, if they are behind bars, or executed, they are no longer presenting a danger to the public. And arrest every protestor that hides their face.
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Sadly it is difficult to reason with fearful people, the anti's play to this fear.
Sadly it is difficult to reason with fearful people, the pros play to this fear.

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Old 06-02-2019, 01:28 PM
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'Experts' ignore facts when it comes to gun control in Canada

According to Statistics Canada, back in 1991 about 1,100 Canadians killed themselves by hanging. Another 1,000 shot themselves dead.

By 2018, about 2,000 hanged themselves, while fewer than 600 committed suicide by firearm.

But despite the fact that hanging deaths have doubled and firearms suicides have fallen by almost half, you never hear anyone call for twine control or a long-rope registry. The “experts” and politicians who push for greater gun control (and who claim their only motive is public safety), seem to have very little interest in facts.

Most years, in the whole country, there are between 150 and 200 murders committed with guns and knives. Some years, guns slightly exceed knives as the murder weapon of choice. Most years stabbing murders are more numerous.

Yet you never hear a Liberal politician demand every home chef be forced to hand over his or her paring knives and potato peelers.

Still, federal Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, Bill Blair, the minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau continue to hint at a ban on handguns and further restrictions on rifles and shotguns before this fall’s general election.

(I actually think the SNC-Lavalin scandal has made some new form of legislated gun control more likely. The allegations that the Trudeau government may have attempted to subvert Canada’s criminal justice system have begun to eat into core Liberal support. What better way to re-energize the Liberal base than to whip up the “progressive” passion for disarming law-abiding citizens.)

But to justify singling out law-abiding gun owners as the prime target of its anti-crime strategy, a government has to be able to blame legit owners somehow.

“Aha!,” the Liberal lights pop on. “We’ll claim law-abiding gun owners are now the No. 1 source for crime guns in Canada!”

And that is just what the governing party has been doing since the tragic shootings in Toronto’s trendy Danforth neighbourhood last summer – insisting that legit owners are really gun traffickers in disguise.

It’s true that in one year, three years ago, Toronto Police seized more than 500 firearms. The geographic origins of nearly two-thirds could not be determined. However, Toronto Police claimed that of the 200 or so they could pinpoint, the sources where divided roughly equally between the States and Canada.

But that was one year. In one city.

Ottawa police estimate nearly 80% of crime guns in the capital are foreign-sourced. And Hamilton police say smuggled firearms constitute three-quarters of their city’s crime guns.

Still, Liberal ministers persist in the myth that there are 1,200 break-ins every year in Canada to steal firearms, even though StatsCan’s database shows just five “robberies to steal firearms” in 2013, 16 in 2014, 12 in 2015 and 18 each in of 2016 and 2017.

Despite repeated claims by leading Liberals and anti-gun activists, the vast majority of crime guns in Canada are almost certainly not bought legally by a licensed owner here, then lost or sold on the black market.

Moreover, firearms researcher Dennis Young, himself an ex-Mountie, has filed numerous access-to-info requests with the federal government. Young has managed to pry out the fact that neither the RCMP nor StatsCan have ever compiled statistics on the sources of crime guns.

The RCMP admitted to Young they don’t even have a definition of what constitutes a “crime gun.”

Just as the Liberals pushed former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to rig the SNC case for partisan Liberal ends, they seem to be making stuff up about legit gun owners for partisan purposes, too.

It’s as simple and cynical as that.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...trol-in-canada
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:06 PM
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Want to save lives --- get focused on opioid deaths vs guns --- over 3,200 in the first nine months of 2018. It is amazing to me that the medical community is not all over this one. Money would be better invested here than chasing legal firearm owners.

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90K+ abortions a year in Canada, seems like the womb is one of the most dangerous environments in the country. Not sure how that is equated with 'women's reproductive health' as it seems to fly in the face of reproduction. How does this tie in with gun control? A comment from NP.....scathing.
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Ottawa's proposed handgun ban is as dumb as all the others

What’s the point of banning illegality?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/joh...all-the-others
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Thats a great editorial you posted Nog! Whether it will change a single mind of a potential voter......well, one can hope.
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Liberal caucus divided over handgun, assault rifle ban

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/06/12/libe...ult-rifle-ban/

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Old 06-14-2019, 06:37 PM
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I’m not sure if my conclusion is a solution to this dilemma but I’ll share my thoughts and it’s more sensible than this crap they are trying to pull with bans anyways.
Most of the people who can acquire a PAL are obviously trusted by the rcmp to use and store them in a safe and responsible way. The Evidence is over whelming that ‘we’ the PAL holders are not the problem for the most part.
I am not opposed to further back ground checks and I would not be opposed to a requirement that states a PAL holder would have to have a quality rated safe and a security system on their dwelling. Other than that it’s all we can do and it is certainly not going to stop criminal activity where firearms are involved because those people would get the guns regardless and have even more power when ours are taken away which will just make it worse in the end.

It’s up to the Government to secure our borders more efficiently so I see it as if they can’t kick them selves in the rear they are going to kick the PAL holders instead.

This isn’t right and isn’t right in so many different ways.
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Old 06-17-2019, 02:37 PM
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If there was any doubt that the Trudeau government’s plans for new gun control measures were more about politics than public safety, that doubt evaporated on Friday.

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Licensed Gun Owners Fight Back!
Edward Burlew

In a mass protest against the Liberal threat of a sweeping gun ban and confiscation, Licensed Canadian gun owners have acted together to fight.

Twenty Thousand plus Canadians this last month have purchased AR-15s. This was in direct protest of the threat of banning and possible confiscation of these very same sporting rifles.

At an average price of $1,000 we Canadians put our money where our hearts are. No hesitation. This action speaks louder than any words. The value of 20,000 AR-15's at $1,000 each is easily $20,000,000 Canadian Dollars. Each dollar honestly earned and honestly spent.

Resounding Protest


This resounding protest shows that Canadians are made of stern stuff. Quick to rise to a challenge and ready to put their money into action. Together silently Twenty Thousand Canadians stood up to unfounded political threats and paid up. No fear, just fast decisive action.

This same action and money will be felt by the Liberals in the next election. These same 20,000 and another 67,000 Canadians and their families have made their protest loud and clear. No threat of a politician will deter them in legally owning the AR-15 sporting rifle.

Vote for Freedom

This was not just signing a petition. This was money paid in protest. In Confidence of success.

Canadians did not act in fear and bail out of owning the famous AR-15, No Sir!

They took positive action. Each purchase a loud vote for freedom and public safety. Confident in their continued ownership and enjoyment of their sport, real money. Serious money was paid by hard-working Canadians.

RCMP Approval

Moreover the RCMP stood behind them and approved every sale. Checked each one of them and gave their highest approval for the purchase. This RCMP approval of every AR-15 purchase shows Canada and its politicians that we licensed Canadians are to be trusted.

I applaud every Canadian who opened their wallet and protested political threats with the purchase of an AR-15. I ask all Canadians to join in the recognition of this brave act of protest.

When it takes guts to stand up for our rights we do that with our wallets. Let’s show the Liberals that this is just the beginning of our fight back. And we intend to succeed.

Yours In Freedom,
Edward Burlew, LL.B.


https://thegunblog.ca/2019/06/19/edw...rs-fight-back/
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:14 PM
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You may not have noticed amid all the other news, but the cause of banning handguns in Canada took two serious body blows in recent days. Good.

The first and most important was an announcement by Bill Blair, the federal Liberals’ minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction. Blair has been looking into cracking down on legal gun ownership in Canada for months, as part of a government promise to investigate whether Canada’s gun control laws are sufficient in the wake of some high-profile shootings. Though Blair concluded Canada can do more, and rumours continue to swirl about a possible ban of the AR-15 rifle (and perhaps other semi-automatic rifles), Blair said he had concluded that a handgun ban wasn’t necessary. Instead, he says a re-elected Liberal government would work with municipalities to consider whether the laws governing how firearms are stored need to be strengthened.


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/mat...-miss-the-mark

Again Blair has proven his complete incompatibility with the task at hand. First he openly declared that he and his party were going to ban handguns and all "assault rifles" in Canada. Guess no-one told them that real assault rifles have been banned in Canada for decades. Now he is back-pedaling due to the backlash those statements and positioning caused.

Already Canada has some of the most stringent firearm storage rules of any in the entire world. And it is well proven that the vast majority of legal firearms owners comply, and comply extremely well. What Blair et al are catering for now are the TO and type votes. Their City Councils have demanded that handguns be banned within their jurisdictional limits (well overstepping their legal authority) and that sporting and target arms be stored at a "central facility" and signed out only for "approved use". Again, nonsense that will not prevent criminal use of firearms in any way shape or form.

The entire exercise is nothing more than grandstanding and catering to their urban based votes.

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