Keystone XL

[Sundog57]

Do I need to go to Costco and buy a big roll of foil?
So they cancel Keystone's permit...
Demand doesn't go away, but it can be fulfilled by shale drillers in the US
The produced oil can be transported to the Gulf and to Cushing on existing parts of Keystone.
Alberta producers take it in the shorts, American producers smile all the way to the bank.
Funny that a big portion of the resistance to TMX was also funded out of the US.
Neighbours yes
Friends? not always.
Follow the money

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Sundog57

Do I need to go to Costco and buy a big roll of foil?
So they cancel Keystone's permit...
Demand doesn't go away, but it can be fulfilled by shale drillers in the US
The produced oil can be transported to the Gulf and to Cushing on existing parts of Keystone.
Alberta producers take it in the shorts, American producers smile all the way to the bank.
Funny that a big portion of the resistance to TMX was also funded out of the US.
Neighbours yes
Friends? not always.
Follow the money

Gulf coast refineries are set up to refine heavy oil, of which permian oil is not

[elkhunter11]

I will be surprised if we have any new major pipelines actually shipping oil within the next five years. TMX work will continue at least until the next federal election, but I don't believe Trudeau will actually allow it to ship oil.

[CalgaryDan]

My dad works for Enbridge. There’s lots of pipelines being built (most expanding on existing pipelines). The ones that aren’t being built are ones that hit the media. Which are typically ones being built to move “dirty tar sands”.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by CalgaryDan

My dad works for Enbridge. There’s lots of pipelines being built (most expanding on existing pipelines). The ones that aren’t being built are ones that hit the media. Which are typically ones being built to move “dirty tar sands”.

Yup. Keystone hasn’t really been a huge factor for the last few years. Especially now that TMX construction is running flat out. It’s almost nice, KXL keeps the spotlight of attention on itself which allows the rest to be built/expanded without nearly as much opposition.

Now, the fact that Kenney spent $1.5b of taxpayer money (holy **** imagine how that money could have helped elsewhere???) on this project really ****ing ****es me off. There was always substantial risk that if Biden were elected, that he would cancel it. It happened time and time again during Obama’s presidency with Biden as VP. Yet Kenney greenlit this idea to dump that much into it. Just absolutely pathetic risk mgmt but they don’t care because none of the UCP cares about Alberta, and especially not Kenney.

[bsmitty27]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Yup. Keystone hasn’t really been a huge factor for the last few years. Especially now that TMX construction is running flat out. It’s almost nice, KXL keeps the spotlight of attention on itself which allows the rest to be built/expanded without nearly as much opposition.

Now, the fact that Kenney spent $1.5b of taxpayer money (holy **** imagine how that money could have helped elsewhere???) on this project really ****ing ****es me off. There was always substantial risk that if Biden were elected, that he would cancel it. It happened time and time again during Obama’s presidency with Biden as VP. Yet Kenney greenlit this idea to dump that much into it. Just absolutely pathetic risk mgmt but they don’t care because none of the UCP cares about Alberta, and especially not Kenney.

X2

The UCP bet 1.5 Billion plus 6 billion loan guarantee worth of our money on trump winning the election.

Kennys runaway train is running out of track!

[Bear Ballz]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Yup. Keystone hasn’t really been a huge factor for the last few years. Especially now that TMX construction is running flat out. It’s almost nice, KXL keeps the spotlight of attention on itself which allows the rest to be built/expanded without nearly as much opposition.

Now, the fact that Kenney spent $1.5b of taxpayer money (holy **** imagine how that money could have helped elsewhere???) on this project really ****ing ****es me off. There was always substantial risk that if Biden were elected, that he would cancel it. It happened time and time again during Obama’s presidency with Biden as VP. Yet Kenney greenlit this idea to dump that much into it. Just absolutely pathetic risk mgmt but they don’t care because none of the UCP cares about Alberta, and especially not Kenney.

TMX is far from flat out. Its been basically shutdown since the Christmas break.

[IR_mike]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Yup. Keystone hasn’t really been a huge factor for the last few years. Especially now that TMX construction is running flat out. It’s almost nice, KXL keeps the spotlight of attention on itself which allows the rest to be built/expanded without nearly as much opposition.

Thanks for the morning chuckle.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Yup. Keystone hasn’t really been a huge factor for the last few years. Especially now that TMX construction is running flat out. It’s almost nice, KXL keeps the spotlight of attention on itself which allows the rest to be built/expanded without nearly as much opposition.

Now, the fact that Kenney spent $1.5b of taxpayer money (holy **** imagine how that money could have helped elsewhere???) on this project really ****ing ****es me off. There was always substantial risk that if Biden were elected, that he would cancel it. It happened time and time again during Obama’s presidency with Biden as VP. Yet Kenney greenlit this idea to dump that much into it. Just absolutely pathetic risk mgmt but they don’t care because none of the UCP cares about Alberta, and especially not Kenney.

Exactly. Now there messing with our drinking water supply, world class trout fishery rivers etc. I have to wonder how many envelopes of cash get slid in to JK's pockets over this. This current UCP government isn't my conservative option for Alberta anymore.

BW

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by CalgaryDan

My dad works for Enbridge. There’s lots of pipelines being built (most expanding on existing pipelines). The ones that aren’t being built are ones that hit the media. Which are typically ones being built to move “dirty tar sands”.

Yup...my kid pushes the so called dirty oil....has a few pipelines he runs...so what is the difference between the old existing ones to a new one?

Pipelines have been used in the past so what's all the hub bub about?

A few tree buggers got thier gitch in a knot?

[mac1983]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Gulf coast refineries are set up to refine heavy oil, of which permian oil is not

And these refineries have been supplied by Venezuela and Mexico, both of which production of said oil is declining rather rapidly. So when this covid thing passes and the price of oil increases, other countries than Canada will make up the difference.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by mac1983

And these refineries have been supplied by Venezuela and Mexico, both of which production of said oil is declining rather rapidly. So when this covid thing passes and the price of oil increases, other countries than Canada will make up the difference.

Yep, most likely at a higher cost than the discounted WCS. Be interesting to see what pedoJoe does when gas hits $4 down there

[Phil McCracken]

This is exactly what Democrat billionaire railway owners wanted. We will continue to donate millions to your party...if you keep the trains running.

Funny. Kenney, O'Toole and Saskatchewan barked a little on this one. Haven't heard much from Socks in Ottawa have we? Spineless pawn.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

[mac1983]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Yep, most likely at a higher cost than the discounted WCS. Be interesting to see what pedoJoe does when gas hits $4 down there

Especially with the carbon tax piled on top. I would imagine the next election down south to be decimating for the democrats.

Those refineries, using cheap Canadian feedstock, and reselling at full market prices is a sweet deal for them.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by mac1983

Especially with the carbon tax piled on top. I would imagine the next election down south to be decimating for the democrats.

Those refineries, using cheap Canadian feedstock, and reselling at full market prices is a sweet deal for them.

Yep, I'm not sure what the liberals of the south are thinking. And I use the term "thinking" loosely.
What pedojoe is about to do makes zero sense for his political future. To me anyways

[Sundog57]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Gulf coast refineries are set up to refine heavy oil, of which permian oil is not

OK - Costco it is.
It'll keep the rain off too, as well as making quite a fashion statement

[Drewski Canuck]

Don't worry!!!

The Palace of Regrets is full of champagne Socialists who secretly were banking on the Taxes that were going to flow to the Federal Government because of Keystone XL. But Parliament will be hushed by the bad economic news that this cancellation means to Canada.

The Head of the Palace of Regrets, Justin Trudeau, is now wishing he did not cancel the Northern Gateway Oil Pipeline to Prince Rupert. But of course, he cannot say that.

Justin Trudeau can only slap President Biden on the back for sticking it to Canada on Oil Exports through Keystone XL. Justin Trudeau has to smile and applaud the Environmentalists for stopping Canada's Dirty Oil supply.

In the mean time the Liberals are staring at an Election on the Horizon with a tear in their eye.

This is bad economic news for all of Canada, and the Voters will say so at the Polls.

As a Minority Government that has no good economic news for the next Election, the lack of tax dollars from the Oil Industry is really starting to hurt Ottawa.

Expect a change of leadership in the Liberal Party soon. Justin Trudeau can only deflect blame for so long from the voters, and when key financial MP's like Bill Morneau jump ship, you know that there is serious trouble for the Liberals next Election.

Drewski

[HalfBreed]

Albertans seem to have some ideas on how to get a truck unstuck, maybe that will help instead of staring down south.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by HalfBreed

Albertans seem to have some ideas on how to get a truck unstuck, maybe that will help instead of staring down south.

Only the ones that leave the basement lol

[Pekan]

Kenney bet on the wrong horse!

If I were your financial planner, and I called you up and said to you "you really NEED to invest into this pipeline." Even though other, more experienced investors were looking to divest, I assured you that investing your nest egg was not only a good idea, It was the best idea for your financial future. So you did, like Alberta did with $1,500,000,000.00 of our nest egg.

What would you say to your wife when it became clear that your financial planner was 180 degrees wrong with that investment?

I know what I'd be saying, after the string of profanity that would come out first. "That Pr!3k is F@@ King Fired!

But this is different how? Because we Albertans hate the Libtards? And the UCP are our guys?
His risk from buying into this pipeline could have been decided with the flip of a coin. Yes it will work, No it won't. The stakes are too high to take that kind of financial risk.

Time to fall on your sword, make room for someone with some actual business experience, and go away.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Pekan

Kenney bet on the wrong horse!

If I were your financial planner, and I called you up and said to you "you really NEED to invest into this pipeline." Even though other, more experienced investors were looking to divest, I assured you that investing your nest egg was not only a good idea, It was the best idea for your financial future. So you did, like Alberta did with $1,500,000,000.00 of our nest egg.

What would you say to your wife when it became clear that your financial planner was 180 degrees wrong with that investment?

I know what I'd be saying, after the string of profanity that would come out first. "That Pr!3k is F@@ King Fired!

But this is different how? Because we Albertans hate the Libtards? And the UCP are our guys?
His risk from buying into this pipeline could have been decided with the flip of a coin. Yes it will work, No it won't. The stakes are too high to take that kind of financial risk.

Time to fall on your sword, make room for someone with some actual business experience, and go away.

Completely agree, the cheat should be fired by the executive. He should be ashamed of his actions, and the cost to the province. He should resign quietly and go off in to the dark.

BW

[338Bluff]

Originally Posted by Pekan

Kenney bet on the wrong horse!

If I were your financial planner, and I called you up and said to you "you really NEED to invest into this pipeline." Even though other, more experienced investors were looking to divest, I assured you that investing your nest egg was not only a good idea, It was the best idea for your financial future. So you did, like Alberta did with $1,500,000,000.00 of our nest egg.

What would you say to your wife when it became clear that your financial planner was 180 degrees wrong with that investment?

I know what I'd be saying, after the string of profanity that would come out first. "That Pr!3k is F@@ King Fired!

But this is different how? Because we Albertans hate the Libtards? And the UCP are our guys?
His risk from buying into this pipeline could have been decided with the flip of a coin. Yes it will work, No it won't. The stakes are too high to take that kind of financial risk.

Time to fall on your sword, make room for someone with some actual business experience, and go away.

Someone with actual business experience could have predicted COVID nearly two years out? No COVID and it would have been Trumpty Dumpty for four more years. A Biden win under those circumstances would have been fantasy.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by HalfBreed

Albertans seem to have some ideas on how to get a truck unstuck, maybe that will help instead of staring down south.

Pretty hard to help when they wont let you anywhere near the truck. The eastern oligarchs hate letting the west contribute politically at all because it makes them look bad. If you dont like my answer, then continue to ignore history and fail.

[1899b]

Driving through Edson last week to do some fishing and I couldn’t believe the amount of iron lined up in Bannister’s yard. Looks like Ritchies yard next door to me during auction.

We have had a lot of customers ramping up their fleets in the last couple
years anticipating good ol Keystone. I fear a lot of them have over extended themselves greatly on what now seems to be a “pipe” dream....

But like mentioned in the above article, Keystone wasn’t and isn’t the only game in town...

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Don't worry!!!

The Palace of Regrets is full of champagne Socialists who secretly were banking on the Taxes that were going to flow to the Federal Government because of Keystone XL. But Parliament will be hushed by the bad economic news that this cancellation means to Canada.

The Head of the Palace of Regrets, Justin Trudeau, is now wishing he did not cancel the Northern Gateway Oil Pipeline to Prince Rupert. But of course, he cannot say that.

Justin Trudeau can only slap President Biden on the back for sticking it to Canada on Oil Exports through Keystone XL. Justin Trudeau has to smile and applaud the Environmentalists for stopping Canada's Dirty Oil supply.

In the mean time the Liberals are staring at an Election on the Horizon with a tear in their eye.

This is bad economic news for all of Canada, and the Voters will say so at the Polls.

As a Minority Government that has no good economic news for the next Election, the lack of tax dollars from the Oil Industry is really starting to hurt Ottawa.

Expect a change of leadership in the Liberal Party soon. Justin Trudeau can only deflect blame for so long from the voters, and when key financial MP's like Bill Morneau jump ship, you know that there is serious trouble for the Liberals next Election.

Drewski

I’m not saying you are wrong; I agree with you on almost everything here except the future of Justin. He will be PM until he is bored. He will win the next election with a majority. And more afterwards.

The only solution is separation.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Don't worry!!!

The Palace of Regrets is full of champagne Socialists who secretly were banking on the Taxes that were going to flow to the Federal Government because of Keystone XL. But Parliament will be hushed by the bad economic news that this cancellation means to Canada.

The Head of the Palace of Regrets, Justin Trudeau, is now wishing he did not cancel the Northern Gateway Oil Pipeline to Prince Rupert. But of course, he cannot say that.

Justin Trudeau can only slap President Biden on the back for sticking it to Canada on Oil Exports through Keystone XL. Justin Trudeau has to smile and applaud the Environmentalists for stopping Canada's Dirty Oil supply.

In the mean time the Liberals are staring at an Election on the Horizon with a tear in their eye.

This is bad economic news for all of Canada, and the Voters will say so at the Polls.

As a Minority Government that has no good economic news for the next Election, the lack of tax dollars from the Oil Industry is really starting to hurt Ottawa.

Expect a change of leadership in the Liberal Party soon. Justin Trudeau can only deflect blame for so long from the voters, and when key financial MP's like Bill Morneau jump ship, you know that there is serious trouble for the Liberals next Election.

Drewski

God I hope you are right!

BW

[Ronaround]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

God I hope you are right!

BW

Keep in mind that Warren Buffet and Berkshire Hathaway run the rails hauling crude between Canada and the now Biden Americka.
Canceling the pipeline allows Ol' Man Warren to continue to get filthy richer.
Another politician payback to his disgusting payoffs for Biden.
Gas has gone up in my area 35 cents a gallon in week from the Steal.
It i believe was a great thing for Canada and the US.
Now you and the US loose jobs and Savings.

[Big Grey Wolf]

I liked the Oilsands Magazine article. They mentioned TMX coming online next year. No frigging way, construction has 'Stopped' dead. Drive to the mountains through Edson. No work, pipe and equipment parked in the snow during prime construction season.

[tbiddy]

Can somebody point out which pipeline is the evil one?




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[mac1983]

Another interesting map...