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10-31-2016, 11:16 AM
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Can those that have a grazing lease deny me access?
I just did my due diligence and looked up the the contact info for the grazing leases I like to hunt.
A woman answered and I asked if I could hunt on the grazing lease next week.
She told me that people had already called and I would be better off looking elsewhere / go find land somewhere else.
It that legal? Is it not all available to hunt as it is crown land?
On the XNET site it says directly:
Leaseholder Conditions as Approved by the Minister
If livestock in field, only foot access allowed.
Camping by permission only.
Foot access permitted, without contact.
Please contact between Monday and Saturday.
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10-31-2016, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by maximusII
I just did my due diligence and looked up the the contact info for the grazing leases I like to hunt.
A woman answered and I asked if I could hunt on the grazing lease next week.
She told me that people had already called and I would be better off looking elsewhere / go find land somewhere else.
It that legal? Is it not all available to hunt as it is crown land?
On the XNET site it says directly:
Leaseholder Conditions as Approved by the Minister
If livestock in field, only foot access allowed.
Camping by permission only.
Foot access permitted, without contact.
Please contact between Monday and Saturday.
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Nope. Crown land is owned by the crown, not the lady you contacted.
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10-31-2016, 11:20 AM
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Why do we have to ask them as if it IS their land. They take a liking to it and they think they control every aspect of it.
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10-31-2016, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by maximusII
I just did my due diligence and looked up the the contact info for the grazing leases I like to hunt.
A woman answered and I asked if I could hunt on the grazing lease next week.
She told me that people had already called and I would be better off looking elsewhere / go find land somewhere else.
It that legal? Is it not all available to hunt as it is crown land?
On the XNET site it says directly:
Leaseholder Conditions as Approved by the Minister
If livestock in field, only foot access allowed.
Camping by permission only.
Foot access permitted, without contact.
Please contact between Monday and Saturday.
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Did you miss: "Foot access permitted, without contact".
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10-31-2016, 11:25 AM
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I did not miss it at all. I just called to cover my bases and she is telling me to go elsewhere. I was curious if she can even do that.
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10-31-2016, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by maximusII
I did not miss it at all. I just called to cover my bases and she is telling me to go elsewhere. I was curious if she can even do that.
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She can say whatever she wants but cannot "do" whatever she wants... leaseholders have conditions they need to abide by. I hope you call her on it.
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11-01-2016, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by maximusII
I did not miss it at all. I just called to cover my bases and she is telling me to go elsewhere. I was curious if she can even do that.
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You answered that but your right by calling and being polite etc.
Carry on and enjoy the lease land. 
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11-05-2016, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by maximusII
I did not miss it at all. I just called to cover my bases and she is telling me to go elsewhere. I was curious if she can even do that.
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Call her and point it out to her. There is a dispute resolution process in place, tell here you will pursue it if you have to.
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10-31-2016, 11:25 AM
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This issue comes up a few times a year on the forum... just this morning, I contacted a guy who has a grazing lease. His conditions are almost identical to yours, especially the part about " if foot access only, no contact required"
he mentioned he has that condition because he wants to control any on/off road vehicle access which I completely understand. It also allows him relief from the numerous phone calls from hunters who only access on foot
If it was me, I'd call her back and politely remind her about that condition and go hunt. Good luck
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10-31-2016, 11:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maximusII
I just did my due diligence and looked up the the contact info for the grazing leases I like to hunt.
A woman answered and I asked if I could hunt on the grazing lease next week.
She told me that people had already called and I would be better off looking elsewhere / go find land somewhere else.
It that legal? Is it not all available to hunt as it is crown land?
On the XNET site it says directly:
Leaseholder Conditions as Approved by the Minister
If livestock in field, only foot access allowed.
Camping by permission only.
Foot access permitted, without contact.
Please contact between Monday and Saturday.
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She never said you couldn't access. She said from the amount of people calling you might be better off trying somewhere else. Perhaps she was trying to do you a favour.
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10-31-2016, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MK2750
She never said you couldn't access. She said from the amount of people calling you might be better off trying somewhere else. Perhaps she was trying to do you a favour.
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This could be it also i think people need to stop always thinking worst case possible.
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10-31-2016, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MK2750
She never said you couldn't access. She said from the amount of people calling you might be better off trying somewhere else. Perhaps she was trying to do you a favour.
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2x...  to much of this nowadays
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10-31-2016, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ram crazy
2x... to much of this nowadays |
except the last while on here it is way more fun to bash the evil lease holders, and do all your "scouting" via Ihunter...
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10-31-2016, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by hal53
except the last while on here it is way more fun to bash the evil lease holders, and do all your "scouting" via Ihunter...
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people just need to get out and hunt
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10-31-2016, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hal53
except the last while on here it is way more fun to bash the evil lease holders, and do all your "scouting" via Ihunter...
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whats wrong with that? they're contacting for permission and the "evil" lease holders are breaking the law
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10-31-2016, 11:58 AM
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They can deny you access if specific conditions have been approved...many leases near the major cities have such restrictions as approved by the settlement officer to limit the amount of people who can access the lease at once.
If no restrictions have been approved, and it states no contact required for foot access...have at 'er. But I agree...maybe she was trying to do you a favor.
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10-31-2016, 12:03 PM
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Someone is already hunting there is a common excuse used to drive people elsewhere usually because they have friends or family they would rather have hunt IMO.
When I call I am rather direct....."My name is Mike I am a hunter and I was just calling you to let you know I intend to access this certain lease on a certain day and my truck is a grey Chevy 2500"....I am not calling to ask for permission I am calling to let you know.
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10-31-2016, 12:08 PM
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Gone Hunting
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Originally Posted by fish_e_o
whats wrong with that? they're contacting for permission and the "evil" lease holders are breaking the law
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"foot access- no contact required"...she was telling him lots of people had contacted her already, t was going to be busy.. he would "perhaps be better off looking elsewhere".. all he had to say was " i'll go in on foot on such and such a day and take my chances, thanks!" much easer though to post on here and try to create a situation where one doesn't exist.....
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10-31-2016, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hal53
except the last while on here it is way more fun to bash the evil lease holders, and do all your "scouting" via Ihunter...
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Yea the leasehold pays the taxes on the land and have absolutely no say. It's all about me nowadays. Then you get the ones that apply for a tag in a zone they never been to before and expect everybody to tell them where all the animals are.
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10-31-2016, 12:08 PM
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We all pay taxes
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10-31-2016, 11:50 AM
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Call the settlement officer if there is an issue. Sounds like The conditions need updating on the website or access should be provided if she doesn't want to update the conditions.
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10-31-2016, 12:13 PM
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Maybe she is sayings it's to busy ?
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11-01-2016, 11:45 AM
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All being said, she is probably telling you the truth. with the new ihunter app, finding access has never been easier. that is why all the good, close GLs are full.
do yourself (and the other hunters who got access early) a favor and find another spot. you dont want to be in a GL with a bunch of other hunters anyways.
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11-01-2016, 02:30 PM
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It's always interesting to read the farmer hate that springs up with this constant topic. Real disconnect here.
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11-01-2016, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by heronfish
It's always interesting to read the farmer hate that springs up with this constant topic. Real disconnect here.
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I dont think there is any farmer hate at all. A hate of inequality is all I see.
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11-01-2016, 04:18 PM
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I dont think there is any farmer hate at all. A hate of inequality is all I see.
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Inequality??....seriously?
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11-01-2016, 06:11 PM
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What area of the province is the lease in question, just curious?
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11-01-2016, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hal53
Inequality??....seriously?
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Yes. My problem is when some lease holders only allow their friends to hunt the land and not the public. That's the inequality I speak of.
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11-01-2016, 07:59 PM
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Ran into the same issue the last few months. New hunter, calling emailing and visiting lease holders, mostly receiving "already too many hunters" or "my house is right over there"...but it sure seems like an old boys club. Sure if you are close to the city you probably get a lot of yahoos...but again it's lease land, not private...
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11-01-2016, 09:05 PM
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I just got off the phone with some leaseholders. Got permission and they were even nice enough to tell me where the Cow Moose like to hang out. Was a great experience and I look forward to meeting them in person one day. (They are old folks so I offered to help them with fencing if needed)
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