Dogs are pretty tough...

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

next time you think dogs and people are the same give your dog a handful of raisins


some people shouldn't own dogs

Apparently you since you believe every bit of tripe you've ever heard about what you shouldn't do with dogs.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Apparently you since you believe every bit of tripe you've ever heard about what you shouldn't do with dogs.

http://www.petpoisonhelpline.com/poison/raisins/

yawn... just make sure you film it so there's no doubt who the animal cruelty charges belong to

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

http://www.petpoisonhelpline.com/poison/raisins/

yawn... just make sure you film it so there's no doubt who the animal cruelty charges belong to

Seeing as how the pup got into a full bag of Sunkist last fall and had no effects....

It affects SOME dogs on SOME grapes and raisins. Stop being so absolutist about everything. You come on with judgmental edicts about how people treat and raise their dogs based on questionable sources. Just because you are partially right on this one does not ipso facto make you correct on your other drivel.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Seeing as how the pup got into a full bag of Sunkist last fall and had no effects....

It affects SOME dogs on SOME grapes and raisins. Stop being so absolutist about everything. You come on with judgmental edicts about how people treat and raise their dogs based on questionable sources. Just because you are partially right on this one does not ipso facto make you correct on your other drivel.

i'm sad to hear you own a dog and it got into potentially very poisonous stuff and "i dunno it was ok"

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i'm sad to hear you own a dog and it got into potentially very poisonous stuff and "i dunno it was ok"

They aren't porcelain figurines. You usually find out that your kid is allergic to peanuts because......

they got into peanuts!

Doesn't make you a bad parent then nor a bad pet owner in the former. Most of the "you should never feed your dog XXXX" is crap based on a few one-offs.

Send in the SPCA.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by sjemac

They aren't porcelain figurines. You usually find out that your kid is allergic to peanuts because......

they got into peanuts!

Doesn't make you a bad parent then nor a bad pet owner in the former. Most of the "you should never feed your dog XXXX" is crap based on a few one-offs.

allergy...

poison...

not the same

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

allergy...

poison...

not the same

Dose.

Alcohol is a poison.

And since the reasons why grapes and raisins affect some dogs and not others isn't understood, it could very well be allergy of sorts.

[sjemac]

But all of the above is a digression. No vets that I know recommend giving your dog grapes or raisins. Many vets do recommend giving your dog human aspirin. Or Benadryl.

The ones that recommend giving aspirin tend not to be those who cater to city clients. Why recommend an over-the-counter aspirin when you can gouge your client for five times the amount for a "dog specific" aspirin.?

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Dose.

Alcohol is a poison.

And since the reasons why grapes and raisins affect some dogs and not others isn't understood, it could very well be analogy of sorts.

the dosage does not make the difference between an allergy and a poison.

nothing is poisonous with a small enough dose. if that's what you're trying so say i think everyone understands that.

also in the above scenario if your child got into drain cleaner and you just said "i dunno the kid looked fine" you'd probably see the inside of a jail cell

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

the dosage does not make the difference between an allergy and a poison.

nothing is poisonous with a small enough dose. if that's what you're trying so say i think everyone understands that.

also in the above scenario if your child got into drain cleaner and you just said "i dunno the kid looked fine" you'd probably see the inside of a jail cell

Drain cleaner has been proved to be poisonous to all lifeforms. Grapes and raisins have been suspected as being poisonous in some dogs. Big difference.

Raise your dogs the way you want to raise them. Stop pontificating to other dog owners with suspect science.

[Bigwoodsman]

BW

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

next time you think dogs and people are the same give your dog a handful of raisins


some people shouldn't own dogs

No no no. Don't give your dog raisins! Very bad advice here! It's a pp way to try and make a point!

Our 80 pound dog ate 4-6 raisins in part of a cinamon bun she took from the daughter. It wasn't pretty convulsing, seizures, mouth foaming etc. A very bad scene. My daughter thought her bff was going to die, so did I. But she pulled through. Vet said it was because she's a large dog. A smaller dog might have expired!


Not saying aspirin or human meds are ok. But don't give your dog raisins!

BW

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

No no no. Don't give your dog raisins! Very bad advice here! It's a pp way to try and make a point!

Haha correct I was being sarcastic to prove a point.

Please don't give dogs things that are poisonous

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

No no no. Don't give your dog raisins! Very bad advice here! It's a pp way to try and make a point!

Our 80 pound dog ate 4-6 raisins in part of a cinamon bun she took from the daughter. It wasn't pretty convulsing, seizures, mouth foaming etc. A very bad scene. My daughter thought her bff was going to die, so did I. But she pulled through. Vet said it was because she's a large dog. A smaller dog might have expired!


Not saying aspirin or human meds are ok. But don't give your dog raisins!

BW

Some dogs have that reaction to raisins. Many others have no reaction to raisins. I do not advocate giving raisins to dogs.

Based on veterinary advice however, I would advocate giving small doses of Aspirin to dogs.

Your dog had an adverse reaction to raisins. Mine had none. In both of our cases the dogs got into raisins accidentally. Mine has had many grape and raisin encounters since then with no ill effect.

[slough shark]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i'm surprised your dog is alive.


never give your dog nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories. you very very easily could have killed it.

Funny you mention dogs not taking human drugs, a couple years ago the lab had fleas so we gave him a bath with the flea shampoo. He had an allergic reaction so we brought him to the vet, after they charged us like $300 I believe and fixed the problem they said if it happens again to give him half a Benadryl and see what happened

[m3mhunter]

Maybe anyone that advocates for giving dogs raisins should be banned form the site..?

As far as aspirin... http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...irin-for-dogs/

[duck duck goose]

Sooo......

Dogs are pretty tough, my hounds come back from hunts all torn up from various plants and sticks. It seems their whole front facing limbs take a pretty good pounding.

My female had a stick come clean through the webbing of her paw. Pulled it out and she was back at the brush pile trying to get the rabbit inside.

My parents have a yellow lab that is the same way, he's 110 lbs and tries to climb inside of hawthorn brush piles to get the rabbits inside. Even with brushing him out at the end of the day, it is not uncommon to pull thorns out of him days later. The only way you can see them in his fur is once they start to swell up a bit.

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by m3mhunter

Maybe anyone that advocates for giving dogs raisins should be banned form the site..?

As far as aspirin... http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...irin-for-dogs/

Anyone who owns a hunting dog should be banned. Cause there are risks involved when a dog hunts ya know. A good owner would never allow their dog to encounter the risks involved with hunting.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Anyone who owns a hunting dog should be banned. Cause there are risks involved when a dog hunts ya know. A good owner would never allow their dog to encounter the risks involved with hunting.

Yes, and there are bubble wrap suits for the city dogs now. You know, the ones you see people walking around with booties and a coat.

I know you are kidding to make a point, but it is pretty sad to hear people actually saying things like that - like a hunting dog is "being trained to stalk and kill" and I laugh .......... isn't that what canines in the wild are required to do to survive? lol.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Anyone who owns a hunting dog should be banned. Cause there are risks involved when a dog hunts ya know. A good owner would never allow their dog to encounter the risks involved with hunting.

Um before lets say the last few decades dogs were bred to do a lot of dirty jobs,
Not just to ride around in purses.

[The Spank]

My dogs always enjoyed just being dogs and I was happy to let them be just that. A few porkie quills on a bird hunt? Pull them out, quick pat on the head and away they'd go tail wagging looking for the next bird. Hook into a fish while trolling, set down your bologna sandwich to fight the fish only to find your sandwich gone and your dog avoiding eye contact after landing the fish and resuming fishing? Yep that's my dog!! Raisins? Well thats a new one on me? First I heard of that. Listened to people yammer on for years about how chocolate will kill your dog. My Dad used to sit watching tv and share a big bag of M&M's with my sisters pooch on a regular basis. Only effect it seemed to have on the dog was he liked hanging out with dad more than my sister?! I haven't owned a dog since '96. Kind of thinking maybe I don't want to again if this is what today's dog has evolved into? Hopefully it's just some of todays pet owners that have evolved into the problem and from some of the crap I hear and read spewed out by some they probably don't like the term "pet owner"?!!!!