I thought Jails had guards ?

Grizzly Adams · #1 03-12-2019, 05:26 PM

Hard to believe.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5049652/c...on-march-2019/

They are
“heightening measures to prevent contraband from entering its institutions.”

Talk about laughable.

Grizz

CaberTosser · #2 03-12-2019, 05:35 PM

Cripes, now they'll have to roof in the entire exercise yard, that or install jammers that cover drone remote control frequencies. If the electronic emissions give everyone cancer that's OK (just keep the guards safe in a faraday cage).

Weedy1 · #3 03-12-2019, 06:12 PM

Seems to be a pattern:

https://globalnews.ca/news/3880210/a...n-institution/

Redfrog · #4 03-12-2019, 06:43 PM

Can't the gov't just ban contraband from penal institutions?

How about if they at least ban prescription drugs from seniors to prevent them getting stolen?

Seems simple to me. They think it will work for firearms.

JB_AOL · #5 03-12-2019, 08:32 PM

It's usually the guards or other staff bringing it in.

Weedy1 · #6 03-12-2019, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JB_AOL

It's usually the guards or other staff bringing it in.

Shhhhhh!!!! Nobody's supposed to know!!!

kingrat · #7 03-12-2019, 08:52 PM

Well as we speak the government is Introducing a needle program into all federal institutions where the inmates will be provided a nice clean safe needle to use their drugs their not supposed to have. So I'd imagine nice clean safe drugs will be next unless Trudeau gets the boot.

MountainTi · #8 03-12-2019, 09:01 PM

Maybe Jann's been smuggling it in, probably has extra space somewhere

brendan's dad · #9 03-12-2019, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JB_AOL

It's usually the guards or other staff bringing it in.

What were you giving the guard for your stuff?

ctd · #10 03-12-2019, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JB_AOL

It's usually the guards or other staff bringing it in.

Based on what knowledge? Please share

DRE75 · #11 03-13-2019, 01:04 AM

So many people know so little of how jails operate or what happens in them. I actually think that's pretty good, as a whole, especially on here as I would expect from legal firearm owners and users. The only time it becomes not so good is when these people attempt to voice opinions or suggest that they know how to operate such institutions better.

Such is life. Most of our population has no idea and never will see the inside of a Provincial or Federal insitution, and that's great.

58thecat · #12 03-13-2019, 05:45 AM

Should just be a cement building, a few poopers, sinks and blankets....let the rogue animals walk amongst themselves......one meal a day and water only....lights out at 8pm on at 5am....move the animals to another area, take out the dead and then repeat the process....minimal expenses.

But nope....tv's, cell phones, movie nights, three meals, hot water etc, etc,etc,

All to house a monster not fit for society but gets treated better than a working, tax paying stif

JB_AOL · #13 03-13-2019, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

What were you giving the guard for your stuff?

lol..

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Based on what knowledge? Please share

Yes. It is well known that staff and visitors have been bringing in contraband to give/sell to the prisoners for years. And YES, specifically at Bowden.

source..local LEO's

JB_AOL · #14 03-13-2019, 06:57 AM

IMHO

Mr. Joe Arpaio, was doing it right (for the most part). You **** up, you loose all but the basic rights. And you have to pay for your stay.

Stinky Buffalo · #15 03-13-2019, 07:05 AM

I suppose we could outsource our jail system to Central America... Would that reduce recidivism?

mattthegorby · #16 03-13-2019, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DRE75

So many people know so little of how jails operate or what happens in them. I actually think that's pretty good, as a whole, especially on here as I would expect from legal firearm owners and users. The only time it becomes not so good is when these people attempt to voice opinions or suggest that they know how to operate such institutions better.

Such is life. Most of our population has no idea and never will see the inside of a Provincial or Federal insitution, and that's great.

Yup. I realize how little I know and have no desire to learn.

JB_AOL · #17 03-13-2019, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

I suppose we could outsource our jail system to Central America... Would that reduce recidivism?

Nah.. We have a perfectly good northern climate that would solve that issue alot faster.

Jack Hardin · #18 03-13-2019, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

What were you giving the guard for your stuff?

There is a certain amount of drugs entering the Gaols via staff members.

I was was a correction officer at the Bowden Institute back in the 60's when it was a provincial Gaol, (2 years less a day) there wasn't a drug problem back then.

"Gaol" is old English for Jail. Some people mistakenly pronounced it Goal. I don't know if they still use the old English spelling or not at the provincial level.
My hat badge was the Alberta crest over the words "Alberta Provincial Gaols"

Grizzly Adams · #19 03-13-2019, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ctd

Based on what knowledge? Please share

I have an acquaintance, whose daughter, a guard at the prison, was fired and prosecuted for bringing drugs in.

Grizz

DRE75 · #20 03-13-2019, 02:31 PM

So you know of one case, and want to tar everyone with the same brush. Sounds similar to blaming legal gun owners for criminal issues...

bat119 · #21 03-13-2019, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JB_AOL

IMHO

Mr. Joe Arpaio, was doing it right (for the most part). You **** up, you lose all but the basic rights. And you have to pay for your stay.

Joe had the right idea

"If you don't like it here don't come back"

R3illy · #22 03-13-2019, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DRE75

So many people know so little of how jails operate or what happens in them. I actually think that's pretty good, as a whole, especially on here as I would expect from legal firearm owners and users. The only time it becomes not so good is when these people attempt to voice opinions or suggest that they know how to operate such institutions better.

Such is life. Most of our population has no idea and never will see the inside of a Provincial or Federal insitution, and that's great.

Stories from people working at the jails are insane to say the least.
Everytime I think I've heard it all I hear something more ridiculous.

It's a thankless job.

R3illy · #23 03-13-2019, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

I have an acquaintance, whose daughter, a guard at the prison, was fired and prosecuted for bringing drugs in.

Grizz

dont forget the social workers meeting clients at the jails or those working for probation offices. It's not always guards. Security can get a little lax when the guards see the same face regularly.

Ken07AOVette · #24 03-13-2019, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 58thecat

Should just be a cement building, a few poopers, sinks and blankets....let the rogue animals walk amongst themselves......one meal a day and water only....lights out at 8pm on at 5am....move the animals to another area, take out the dead and then repeat the process....minimal expenses.

But nope....tv's, cell phones, movie nights, three meals, hot water etc, etc,etc,

All to house a monster not fit for society but gets treated better than a working, tax paying stif

I agree with this completely.

Group all the ranked animals with similar ranked animals, let them sort each other out. I like the idea of Antarctic jail. Dropped in from a plane, lesser crimes get a parachute, worse ones aim for a soft spot. Very few repeat offenders that way.
If only the Libs were against crime.

bat119 · #25 03-13-2019, 03:53 PM

It's not just guards smuggling drugs

Lawyer convicted of smuggling meth into remand disbarred

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...mand-disbarred

ETOWNCANUCK · #26 03-13-2019, 04:09 PM

Colonel mustard, outside the fence, with a tennis ball and slingshot.

DRE75 · #27 03-13-2019, 04:30 PM

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If only the Libs were against crime.

Crime is very profitable. The Conservatives aren't much better when it comes to all the time wasted and money given to lawyers, judges and everything else tied up in the legal system. Big money and comes from apointed positions from higher up. Weird, eh?

There are a lot of lawyers that do shady stuff too, who are not put in any danger whatsoever by helping inmates get drugs and weapons. Most correctional officers understand that introducing contraband into their facility puts them and their coworkers at risk.

ETOWNCANUCK · #28 03-13-2019, 04:53 PM

Not every one sitting in a jail cell is there for some heinous crime.
Some are there because they had a terrible attorney, and a judge on a bad day,

People complain about the recidivism rate, but not the system itself.

When a person commits an act that society deemed undesirable and he is then charged with a crime, and sentenced, we take away his right of freedom and lock him away in a sesspool of despair and turmoil and to a degree of torture for years at a time, and offer to him little to no proper education on how to conform to societal norms, only to release him, lost and uncertain only to so easily find themselves back on the same path, and back inside.

What did you expect?

Is his returning to what he did before or worse as a means of survival.
He just got used to the inmate culture, for however many years, that’s all he knows, and then he’s suddenly out and now what?

The inmates look after their own. They have to watch out for violence amongst themselves as much against any staff. And which do you think is worse?
Getting gutted with a rusty nail in a toothbrush, pushed into your kidneys or somewhere your are likely going to die from one, if not more, stabs.
Or a little black and blue from the fellas dogpile and pepper spray, but don’t worry bruises heal, and pepper spray washes out.

And what do we as a society do?

We despise them for what they did, and offer little in way of acceptance and normalcy.
Where is life easier to handle, where I have friends, where I am looked after well by other people, including professionals?
Or in a place that is now worse than jail?

The real world.

If society cannot offer the same support the inmates receive amongst themselves,
How the hell do you expect them to act?

Anyone,at anytime, could either with, intent or not, commit a crime and get sentenced, and even screwed by the system, and lose their liberty and their way in how society is run.

And before you say it wouldn’t happen to you, I wonder how many of those men and women said the exact thing only to find out that, it wasn’t true?

But its not anyone’s fault, but his own?

Is there no such thing as a second chance?

Ken07AOVette · #29 03-13-2019, 05:36 PM

Good post Etown, but the trouble is so many are released before trial, or get less than the minimum time. The excuses are generally linked to cost, something like $140,000 to house a single prisoner for a year or no room for any more prisoners?

I have room for 3-4 of them, just some bars in the spare rooms, couple toilet installs.

Hell I would even hold them for $100,000 each.

ETOWNCANUCK · #30 03-13-2019, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

Good post Etown, but the trouble is so many are released before trial, or get less than the minimum time. The excuses are generally linked to cost, something like $140,000 to house a single prisoner for a year or no room for any more prisoners?

I have room for 3-4 of them, just some bars in the spare rooms, couple toilet installs.

Hell I would even hold them for $100,000 each.

The bigger they build a jail, the quicker they fill it up.

Never hear about a jail that had to close for lack occupants.

And thank you for the compliment.