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Respectfully disagree with this.
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11-10-2020, 01:43 PM
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If it’s deserved and meets the criteria for such an honour I say why not. Our soldiers made tremendous sacrifices during the Afghanistan mission many paid the ultimate price and we as Canadians should not forget their sacrifices.
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11-10-2020, 02:37 PM
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It's the ultimate decoration to which the highest standards apply. Time spent in theatre is not a valid criteria and it's awarding is not a public matter.
The Victoria Cross has been presented to 99 Canadians, or people closely associated with Canada, between its creation for acts performed during the Crimean War and 1993 when the Canadian Victoria Cross was instituted. No Canadian has received either honour since 1945.
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11-10-2020, 03:13 PM
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While I fully support recognizing servicemen that go above and beyond their duties, I don't agree with going back and reviewing actions from many years ago, just because we haven't awarded the VC in a long time.
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11-10-2020, 04:08 PM
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While I fully support recognizing servicemen that go above and beyond their duties, I don't agree with going back and reviewing actions from many years ago, just because we haven't awarded the VC in a long time.
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Actually, Canada's VC has 'Never' been awarded.
What General Hillier, and others are saying, is that there are up to 10 possible cases in recent history, where Canada's VC should have been awarded, but wasn't ... and that's what this is all about.
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11-10-2020, 04:30 PM
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In 1993 Canada was given the right to award the cross. Just because people at the time didn't award it, doesn't mean it shouldn't have been strongly considered. A lot of our servicemen in the Afghan era had boots on the ground longer than previous wars. There will be documentaries coming out on what our troops did. Watch them and then decide. I think it will turn out that some of our fellows equaled the Americans and Brits who were awarded the equivalent medals. General Hillier has long been an advocate for our soldiers and would not do this lightly.
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11-10-2020, 06:27 PM
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Interesting concept- use public opinion to sway military awards
Sounds like General Hillier and other senior brass truly believe the REMF's failed to properly support their soldiers after combat operations? Wouldn't be the first time; still doesn't mean this is right.
How does the existing military hierarchy feel about this?
How do members that have served feel about this?
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11-10-2020, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bagwan
In 1993 Canada was given the right to award the cross. Just because people at the time didn't award it, doesn't mean it shouldn't have been strongly considered. A lot of our servicemen in the Afghan era had boots on the ground longer than previous wars. There will be documentaries coming out on what our troops did. Watch them and then decide. I think it will turn out that some of our fellows equaled the Americans and Brits who were awarded the equivalent medals. General Hillier has long been an advocate for our soldiers and would not do this lightly.
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I agree with you. Sgt’s Tower and MacDonald of the PPCLI based in Edmonton have an interesting story if anyone is looking for some insight into some of the challenges our troops faced in Afghanistan.
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11-10-2020, 09:01 PM
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Such awards take years to come military honours can depend on who does the paperwork. A lot of people did a lot of really crazy stuff over there changed the outcomes of many situations and were never recognized. if it takes years to go back and look over things I’m fine with that I think a lot of the guys deserved more than just the swasm for what happen on TF106.
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11-10-2020, 09:12 PM
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My jump wings mean more to me than any of the gongs hanging below them. Those gongs brought me alot of money though, so I have no complaints.
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11-10-2020, 10:09 PM
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It seems a bit ludicrous to have an award that no soldier has ever been honored with, certainly there will have been examples of great courage and selfless acts that qualified in the time since its creation. If nobody qualifies for such an honor in over a quarter century, then I'd suggest that the qualifications are too stringent!
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11-11-2020, 08:26 AM
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So, would Canadian Victoria Crosses still be made from melted down Crimean War cannon ?
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11-11-2020, 08:39 AM
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No expert in military protocols so I would leave it to the military to determine if it is reasonable. In reading comments it appears many vets are against it interestingly enough. I wonder if it is too difficult to compare WW1 and WW2 fighting and actions of soldiers to today’s more computerized warfare?
Maybe the medals of the past should stay as is and be retired and new medals designed for the present?
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11-11-2020, 09:12 AM
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No expert in military protocols so I would leave it to the military to determine if it is reasonable. In reading comments it appears many vets are against it interestingly enough. I wonder if it is too difficult to compare WW1 and WW2 fighting and actions of soldiers to today’s more computerized warfare?
Maybe the medals of the past should stay as is and be retired and new medals designed for the present?
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In Gen Hillier’s article it stated this decoration was created in 1993 previously it was a British decoration and administered as such.
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11-11-2020, 01:39 PM
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Canada's Victoria Cross 🔽
Eligibility & Criteria:The Canadian Victoria Cross is to be awarded for; "The most conspicuous bravery, a daring or pre-eminent act of valour or self-sacrifice or extreme devotion to duty, in the presence of the enemy", at any point after January 1st 1993.
History & Background 👉 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor...20be%20revoked.
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General Rick Hillier (and others) call for the award of at least one 'Victoria Cross'
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