Illegal introduction of carp in Alberta! THE START OF A DISASTER?

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by jeprli

You are just not reading properly, if you read it and understand what you read than you should understand that carp, goldfish and stickleback can be used on water where bait fish ban is in effect, as they are not considered bait fish I guess.

English is my second language, but I think I understand it better than you do.

Wrong on both counts!
I am reading it properly. Look up the definition of except!
Sticklebacks are legal to use and the only legal one you mentioned in your post.
Carp, goldfish and the western silvery minnow are not!
OK. Will spell it out.
Bait fish exceptions are: Carp. Goldfish. Western silvery minnow. Hint-you cannot use them for bait.
So by your reasoning, as well as AdverseCity's, Carp are smelts or herring?

Also note Herring and Smelt are "saltwater families" and specified. Not Carp etc. If it doesnt fall in one category(bait fish) doesnt automatically put it in with Smelt and Herring!


Have you noticed another invasive species being made illegal to use as bait?

Crayfish.

[jeprli]

Single word does not define entire article.

If you look more careful you'll get it.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by jeprli

Single word does not define entire article.

If you look more careful you'll get it.

Hahaha.

Its ok, one day it will come to you.

Try freezing up some gold fish and using them for bait. Then let me know the outcome(after a visit with a CO).

Guess you missed post 177 as well.

Keep trying you will get it.

Then again, maybe not.

[gnugen]

These nasty fish have been breeding in Ontario! I'm wondering how these guys got here. Who plans an attack on our fisheries?

[jeprli]

Bc has them as well, some chub and Tench as well.

Didn't miss any posts, and what you quoted has nothing to do with carp.

[Icatchfish]

WHERE ARE THEY? this is just an urban myth till some one posts a pic or better yet tell me the name of the lake so i can go fish it out

[Secret coulee]

I will see if a buddy of mine will post a pic of me with one

[rafhone]

Originally Posted by Secret coulee

I will see if a buddy of mine will post a pic of me with one

[Secret coulee]

There you go icatchfish that's what one looks like.
Thanks rafhone.

[MrDave]

Originally Posted by rafhone

So hows the fight? Look like they would put up a decent scrap on light fly gear. They are here, we might as well get into catching them.

[Icatchfish]

lol thanks guys. I heard there is some around Hanna but i haven't heard anything around calgary yet. hope they stay out.

[Secret coulee]

Originally Posted by Icatchfish

lol thanks guys. I heard there is some around Hanna but i haven't heard anything around calgary yet. hope they stay out.

I hope your right. It was one of the most discusting sights I have ever seen when I was with ASRD and fisheries watching them net these prusion carp,there was litteratly 8-10 thousand o em in one big bunch bunched up in the structure that they were trying to get past.
This pic is the biggest age class of carp and there were 3 diffrent sizes of age classes there but fisheries couldn't tell me the actual age cycle to size or age,in my opinion it is all new to them and they didn't no a whole bunch about the prusion carp last spring.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by WayneChristie

Quit flushing your goldfish!

Reading the posted links, you've got to wonder. Don't imagine you can pick up a few Asian carp at the local fish dealer.

Grizz

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by jeprli

Bc has them as well, some chub and Tench as well.

Didn't miss any posts, and what you quoted has nothing to do with carp.

The tench ive heard of. do you mean euro chub ??

[WayneChristie]

chub everywhere in Alberta, catch lots in the river
I just watched the exploding whale video, maybe they should let those ones at J into the canal and drop a case of tnt in with them. charge the surrounding farmers for the fresh fertilizer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBgThvB_IDQ

[jeprli]

Euro chub, but that is Internet info I found when looking for common carp in bc.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by jeprli

Euro chub, but that is Internet info I found when looking for common carp in bc.

jeprli, look up(google) Western Silvery minnow Alberta. It will give you another hint about the bait fish. Good luck and good fishin.

[WayneChristie]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

jeprli, look up(google) Western Silvery minnow Alberta. It will give you another hint about the bait fish. Good luck and good fishin.

going to end up with a bruised forehead and a dented wall

[jeprli]

Don't hurt yourself Wayne, got the whole season ahead of you now.

I'll give srd a call on Monday and figure this out with them. I could be wrong. Better clarify this issue before Wayne gets hurt.

[Secret coulee]

If you go back to page 6,post #160 that I put up,I have done the leg work for you all ready and contacted ASRD and fisheries about this prusion carp debockle.but if you would like more clarification by all means be my guest and have ater

[jeprli]

But you also stated that a srd officer, said you can use them.
Then later you posted fish bios answer who states you can't.

Which one should be taken as correct?

[Secret coulee]

I am thinkin they really don't no it's discretion on who ever you talk to.but last year 2013 I was told by the brooks CO and fisheries bio good to go and now 2014 Mabey they have discussed this issue ,fisheries is who told me this week,absolutely not a chance just reading between the lines here with not looking to get a ticket or take the chance,like I say get ater so you can formulate your own opinion

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by WayneChristie

going to end up with a bruised forehead and a dented wall

To late, givin me a headache too.

[huntsfurfish]

jeprli - The western silvery minnow is restricted to a very small portion of Southern Alberta. It is considered to be At Risk/May be At Risk(I am not sure of the current status). But that is the reason it is on the except list. Making it illegal to use as bait.

Goldfish and Carp are also on that list. While these species are not at risk(there are other reasons), they are not to be used as bait either.

Hope that clears it up for you.


Wayne was right twice in this thread.



My last post on this. (if you dont count the edits- mods can I get an open ended edit?)



edit: As to CO's stating it is ok, they were mistaken. Its right in the regs!
You can and should get a ticket if you use carp for bait!

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[jeprli]

I never questioned Waynes knowledge.

I'm just not very clear on the whole carp thing, that's all.
No worries Coulee, I used them once out of curiosity and don't really plan on using bait to catch fish ever again. Not trying to defend myself here but that's the truth.

I'll post back on what I get for an answer from office. Will also ask why they don't add some sort of info in the regs about this invader. Raise the awareness perhaps.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by jeprli

I never questioned Waynes knowledge.

I'm just not very clear on the whole carp thing, that's all.
No worries Coulee, I used them once out of curiosity and don't really plan on using bait to catch fish ever again. Not trying to defend myself here but that's the truth.

I'll post back on what I get for an answer from office. Will also ask why they don't add some sort of info in the regs about this invader. Raise the awareness perhaps.

edit: jep, I am just trying to help u see the regs.

It is already in the regs, but maybe they will add carp (prussian carp) in a more in depth section to the regs in the future(they did with crayfish).
I would think they will add a better section on invasive species too.

[jeprli]

No worries mate, we'll bring this to an end eventually

[jacenbeers]

Originally Posted by Icatchfish

WHERE ARE THEY? this is just an urban myth till some one posts a pic or better yet tell me the name of the lake so i can go fish it out

Here is one that isn't as large as the last one that was posted. I caught this one on a pickerel rig baited with a worm. I had caught dozens of them that day but this one was cool because I caught a perch on the top hook and a carp on the bottom hook in one cast.

[Redfrog]

WOW 7 pages. I haven't read them all, but does any one know if we can use them for bait???

I'm kidding!

I'd like to catch some for the smoker. Looks like Jacenbeers is the only guy with info on how. Anyone else had success.

[retten]

Many many moons ago as a kid we would catch carp under the out falls and the power plant across from hermatige park, I would guess to be 8 and 10 lbs. 1970's